Aston Vs Jag - are we slipping back?
Discussion
cml said:
JohnG1 said:
cml said:
Both firms are doing well, hurrahs all round I say.
By both you mean JLR and AML?I don't think so...
Apologies to all on here. I have made a schoolboy error and I have fed the troll.
Terribly sorry. If anyone has a picture to remind me not to feed the troll that would be superb.
It's quite obvious that people whom are Jag enthusiasts will be happy with their choices, and will defend the marque as they see it....
It should be no suprise that AM owners will do the same.....
I like jags... Would I want to own one?? No
I like Nissan GT things, would I want to own one?? no
I like triumph tr5's, would I want to own one??? Yes
The list continues...
It should be no suprise that AM owners will do the same.....
I like jags... Would I want to own one?? No
I like Nissan GT things, would I want to own one?? no
I like triumph tr5's, would I want to own one??? Yes
The list continues...
angularocelot said:
bogie said:
you dont think that people have worked their asses off to be able to afford their cars ?
so its all down to "luck" ?
I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure
lot's of people work their arses off everyday and can hardly afford busfare.so its all down to "luck" ?
I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure
we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.
angularocelot said:
lot's of people work their arses off everyday and can hardly afford busfare.
we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.
Some do, some don't. I had no headstart with regard to money connections, many others on here also didn't. Nothing at all except my own work ethic and a reasonably functional brain. If you call the abilty to work hard, work smart and listen to people smarted than me a headstart, then that's a different story we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.
angularocelot said:
michael gould said:
Aston Martin voted the coolest brand for the 3rd year in a row......Jag came 23rd........it's just not cool to dive a Jag.....never has been....never will be (unless you wear sheepskin coats) .....it's a privillage and a mark of hard work .....not good fortune for most of us driving Astons
lol! jaguar has a few cars cooler than anything astom martin ever made. .....it's a privillage and a mark of hard work .....not good fortune for most of us driving Astonsfunny how the lucky ones always say it's "hard work".
Zod said:
If you work a bit harder, you might be able to afford a decent car.
Not funny 
The Jag guys have come on with opinions and that was what the thread was asking for!
They are coming across a little chip-on-the-shouldery however with claims AM owmers must have had headstarts...
angularocelot said:
lol! jaguar has a few cars cooler than anything astom martin ever made.
Like what? Genuine question! I'd say historically the brands are on a par. The Jags arejust generally more affordable and were made in greater numbers.Coolest Jag I can think of is the XKSS and I would put the DB4GT or the Zagato against that all day. However I qualify that with the caveat that I am hoping to have an XKSS replica built this year
E-Type? DB5.
D-Type? DBR1
XK120? DB1
Et cetera.
yeti said:
Zod said:
If you work a bit harder, you might be able to afford a decent car.
Not funny The Jag guys have come on with opinions and that was what the thread was asking for!
They are coming across a little chip-on-the-shouldery however with claims AM owmers must have had headstarts...
This thread is going off at a unnerving tangent in parts. But then the original post was slightly inflammatory to start with, Aston are palpably not rubbish by any stretch of the imagination. As for becoming a success in business being work or luck - well its usually a spot of both, with a dab of imagination on top. As for Jag v. Aston v. any other make of half-decent car, they are all more than most people in the world could ever possibly hope to own, and for that we can be grateful. Playing Top Trumps with them can be fun, but I am here for the love of driving from A to A, in anything. As for cool, well that's subjective, so any meaningful discussion within a forum is a bit pointless (although it can be fun too).
And back on topic: I don't think Aston has anything to worry about with Jaguars. There is, and always has been, a good bit of clear air between the two makes. I bet a good few Jaguar owners go on to become Aston owners too (fingers-crossed). Faced with a sea of bland euroboxes they are both just lovely. Peace out.
Anyway. I've deleted my garage from my profile, just in case I get judged for having the 'wrong' car (partly in jest there people). Now, where did I put my sheepskin coat? Oh yes, there it is, under your tweed jacket.
And back on topic: I don't think Aston has anything to worry about with Jaguars. There is, and always has been, a good bit of clear air between the two makes. I bet a good few Jaguar owners go on to become Aston owners too (fingers-crossed). Faced with a sea of bland euroboxes they are both just lovely. Peace out.
Anyway. I've deleted my garage from my profile, just in case I get judged for having the 'wrong' car (partly in jest there people). Now, where did I put my sheepskin coat? Oh yes, there it is, under your tweed jacket.
Edited by cml on Monday 6th February 11:07
I'm going to get back to topic, even if my post isn't as entertaining as some of the earlier ones
I own an AM and I love the current range of Jags
I think the XJ is stunning and it's only negative (space) wouldn't worry me, though I do find it amazing that a luxury saloon at that price level has such incredibly little rear room. Very well equipped and a great drive
The XF is also a great achievement and very well priced
But as for the XK, which is the only car we can really compare to an AM, it's role seems somewhat confused. The XKR-S seems as oddball as the Maserati Granturismo stradale - take what is ultimately a GT and stick a slightly frenetic boosted engine in with a little more power, an auto box and a load of styling that makes it look overtly sporty - it's a strange mix. The model 'one down from the top' is the one that makes the most sense to me but it's a GT, not a sports car
But you then end up comparing it to the Vantage because the price is similar, where as it's role is like a DB9's. The AM then looks ridiculously expensive, although of course the theoretical list price of an Aston is meaningless.
But I would argue you don't look at the XK and get the same grin from owning it, nor from sitting in it, nor from driving it, as you do with an AM. If you agree and can afford it you buy the AM. If you don't agree or can't afford it, you buy the Jag. Simples......
I own an AM and I love the current range of Jags
I think the XJ is stunning and it's only negative (space) wouldn't worry me, though I do find it amazing that a luxury saloon at that price level has such incredibly little rear room. Very well equipped and a great drive
The XF is also a great achievement and very well priced
But as for the XK, which is the only car we can really compare to an AM, it's role seems somewhat confused. The XKR-S seems as oddball as the Maserati Granturismo stradale - take what is ultimately a GT and stick a slightly frenetic boosted engine in with a little more power, an auto box and a load of styling that makes it look overtly sporty - it's a strange mix. The model 'one down from the top' is the one that makes the most sense to me but it's a GT, not a sports car
But you then end up comparing it to the Vantage because the price is similar, where as it's role is like a DB9's. The AM then looks ridiculously expensive, although of course the theoretical list price of an Aston is meaningless.
But I would argue you don't look at the XK and get the same grin from owning it, nor from sitting in it, nor from driving it, as you do with an AM. If you agree and can afford it you buy the AM. If you don't agree or can't afford it, you buy the Jag. Simples......
cml said:
Now, where did I put my sheepskin coat? Oh yes, there it is, under your tweed jacket.
Nicely done 
Original post was by me, and not supposed to be inflammatory. I didn't say the cars were rubbish, an impartial guy who ownes a prestige garage, races and regularly drives Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo and Jag claimed it was.
I genuinely wondered how badly AM was slipping in every way compared to Jag. Not just statistics, but actual drivability and perhaps desirability. I would like Aston be be more than a brand, I'd that them to be a well-respected motoring marque. But we haven't moved since 2004 really, the DB9 and VH platform was such a jump from the DB7 that laurels could be rested upon and they were. Jag got very lucky with a TATA buyout, they genuinely love the brand and want to make it world class. They're succeeding. I hope Aston don't go back to being little more than a cottage industry making very quaint, but still very desirable cars based on branding.
I also hope the Chinese don't get Aston, but then I'd have said the same about the Indians getting Jaguar and look how that's gone!
Personally from coming from a 280bhp Elise to my Aston the difference is Black and White.
The Lotus was very fun, not that challenging could easily push the car in every direction i fancy and not worry about it going that way or not. Bags of fun but would never really think of using it for longer journeys.
Did to manchester once and had to stop twice 1) bored of sitting at higher revs and drone, 2) wasnt that comfy.
The Aston just a comfy car but still has a degree of poke. I bought the car because 1) its stunning. 2) ive always wanted an aston.
I wouldnt buy a jag as well honestly they do nothing for me..
The Lotus was very fun, not that challenging could easily push the car in every direction i fancy and not worry about it going that way or not. Bags of fun but would never really think of using it for longer journeys.
Did to manchester once and had to stop twice 1) bored of sitting at higher revs and drone, 2) wasnt that comfy.
The Aston just a comfy car but still has a degree of poke. I bought the car because 1) its stunning. 2) ive always wanted an aston.
I wouldnt buy a jag as well honestly they do nothing for me..
michael gould said:
By the way I drive as Aston Martin not a astom martin......I’m 52 years old and despite being the owner of a successful manufacturing business, exporting to more than 20 countries, I still get to work at 7-30am (this morning it was 7-00am because I have a new employee starting and I wanted to welcome him personally to the company) I normally leave work and hour or so after my employees....I often work Sat and Sun. I object to idiots trying to suggest that my lifestyle is down to "good luck"
But that is the way of things anymore. Taking risks and putting massive energy into making a business successful used to be admired. Now, it's simply easier to chalk it up to good luck or being born into it. The class warefare group is strong and getting stronger. Oh, and I think both Jags and AMs are great!
blueg33 said:
Which car does he always drive - XKRS in his words "The Aston is too boring"
I drive my DB9 every day. After 6 weeks it still scares the s
t out of me. Can't even imagine a day when I would consider it boring? I couldn't car less about what technical improvements the Jag has over an Aston, or if it's more powerful. Very few of us have the driving ability to push these cars to their limits so if Randy likes the Lotus better so be it. It suits his driving style / abilities better. If all you want it the most technically up to date souless car then buy a Porsche and be done with it.Like me Gould I have established myself, worked hard to gain a good reputation for what I do. There was no luck, or spoon feeding from silverware. From the AMOC meeting I went to on Thursday I would say the vast majority of owners are the same.
At the end of the day though I would say this, you can have a Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus or Jag, and it'll feel great, until I pull up next to you in my DB9 and you become just another guy in another car.
Lewis, I also read that thread and TBH I think it was a throw away comment, not really aimed at the marque so I don't think you should read too much into it.
His main focus was that the majority (even on a Lotus forum) do not like (or get as he puts it) the Evora, and he seems a little wound up about this, with some justification I might add.
His main focus was that the majority (even on a Lotus forum) do not like (or get as he puts it) the Evora, and he seems a little wound up about this, with some justification I might add.
CPBRI said:
michael gould said:
By the way I drive as Aston Martin not a astom martin......I’m 52 years old and despite being the owner of a successful manufacturing business, exporting to more than 20 countries, I still get to work at 7-30am (this morning it was 7-00am because I have a new employee starting and I wanted to welcome him personally to the company) I normally leave work and hour or so after my employees....I often work Sat and Sun. I object to idiots trying to suggest that my lifestyle is down to "good luck"
But that is the way of things anymore. Taking risks and putting massive energy into making a business successful used to be admired. Now, it's simply easier to chalk it up to good luck or being born into it. The class warefare group is strong and getting stronger. Oh, and I think both Jags and AMs are great!
michael gould said:
"taking risks and putting massive energy into making a business successful used to be admired".......well in my book it still is ...and furthermore, its admired by my peers.......i suggest (with respect) you either change your group of friends or the paper you read !!
Read whatever paper you like. Does not change the fact that the entitlement crowd is growing and they are not exactly led by logical thinking......respectfully. The way I look at these issues is this. The XKR-S is a great car and it has a particular recipe, big power, autobox, lairy stying. A Porsche 911 has its own recipe, as does a Ferrari or a GTR or an Evora or any other such car. Now all of these cars are great, any review will tell you so.
We as buyers will pick which ever one suits what we particularly are looking for at the time. With the Aston it's a great car that is actually a very good drivers car but it is also beautiful and has what to me is a quality interior and workmanship. At the time I was buying I appreciated these qualities and chose an Aston over these other options, this time around.
There is nothing to say that next time I wont want to try a different recipe and enjoy what that has to offer. We don't need to stick to one brand or type of car and don't need to engage in this territorial nonsense hurling abuse at owners of other marques. There is a wide world of sporting cars out there for us all to try and appreciate for what they deliver and we should be willing to do that.
Example: Maserati Granturismo. It is ostensibly slower than many rivals and less focussed, so your Porsche owner might whinge about that and insist that it is crap. What about the guy who has had a Porsche but likes the generous back seats in the Granturismo for his kids, appreciates the looks, the interior and the noise and feels that this time around those qualities offset the lack of sharpness compared to a 911. Is the 911 a better car? No, not for this guy and not at this time. Next he might want the super sharp driving experience and ride quality of an Evora. Doesn't mean he should then berate those who still have a Maserati like he did last time around.
We are all driving enthusiasts and I reject the idea of a "better" car in most cases and often try to fight the good fight against brand fanboys on this forum. Or as someone else said the people who are "w*nking over an issue of Top Gear" while we are investing and enjoying quality motors.
We as buyers will pick which ever one suits what we particularly are looking for at the time. With the Aston it's a great car that is actually a very good drivers car but it is also beautiful and has what to me is a quality interior and workmanship. At the time I was buying I appreciated these qualities and chose an Aston over these other options, this time around.
There is nothing to say that next time I wont want to try a different recipe and enjoy what that has to offer. We don't need to stick to one brand or type of car and don't need to engage in this territorial nonsense hurling abuse at owners of other marques. There is a wide world of sporting cars out there for us all to try and appreciate for what they deliver and we should be willing to do that.
Example: Maserati Granturismo. It is ostensibly slower than many rivals and less focussed, so your Porsche owner might whinge about that and insist that it is crap. What about the guy who has had a Porsche but likes the generous back seats in the Granturismo for his kids, appreciates the looks, the interior and the noise and feels that this time around those qualities offset the lack of sharpness compared to a 911. Is the 911 a better car? No, not for this guy and not at this time. Next he might want the super sharp driving experience and ride quality of an Evora. Doesn't mean he should then berate those who still have a Maserati like he did last time around.
We are all driving enthusiasts and I reject the idea of a "better" car in most cases and often try to fight the good fight against brand fanboys on this forum. Or as someone else said the people who are "w*nking over an issue of Top Gear" while we are investing and enjoying quality motors.
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