As Heaven 17 said "Tempppppppppppppp - tation"

[jonby]

Jockman said:

Gorgeous Car - definite on the upgrade cost and I reckon Adam's guess is a conservative one

indeed. without discount, that car is c. 168k OTR. That's before things like nuberplate swapping, details & film on new car and all the other inevitable bits & pieces are taken into account

A used V8SR is not worth more than 80-85k

So that's basically 85-90k cost to change

One assumes even if there's no official discount, there will be some 'assistance' in a px but even if they are prepared to price it like a V12 coupe, in which case there would be 20k+ discount, that's still the best part of 70k to change

One assumes the reality is somewhere in the middle, i.e. 75-80k to change

[AdamV8V]

Jockman said:

I reckon Adam's guess is a conservative one

Was banking in a little off of list because it's a cancelled order. Call me an optimist

And Mikey's S is better now than when it left the factory

[jonby]

AdamV8V said:

Tough one. If it's close enough to how you would have spec'd it (and you can live with orange stitching on the seats and red stitching on the steering wheel (#firstworldproblems) )

1. firstworldproblems

hehe !
love it !

It does of course start to put in to greater perspective both with V12VR and Astons in general, some of the justification (to a buyer) in the lack of discount on a customer specced car compared to a similar dealer spec car. Added to the huge amount of extra time spent by the dealer in getting everything just right, having been through the process, I can see why the discounts are so much smaller

[AdamV8V]

George29 said:

Looks great. Buy it and change the rear lights for standard clear ones instead of those awful Halfords lookalike carbon ones, paint the bonnet vents and have the wheels powdercoated in silver.

And whatever you do, for the love of God, don't drive it!!

[George29]

AdamV8V said:

And whatever you do, for the love of God, don't drive it!!

In this weather? You must be mad for even considering driving it!

Cover will be on until March at this rate

[AdamV8V]

George29 said:

Cover will be on until March at this rate

That's how it gets all mouldy George! Make sure you at least air it once in a while, even if you're not going to drive it

[silverspeed]

Big decision but this may be the last chance to buy a new one .If I remember correctly you were very interested when they were announced Mikey? The itch hasn't gone away so think you have your answer! Looking at the VIN it's one of the last to be built . Mine is number 171 and I think I was about 20 down the line . With regards to colour - I wouldn't worry too much as long as you like this combination. I considered five colour schemes and even now wonder what the others would have looked like ( not saying I'm not delighted with the one I went with) . If you like it and can get your head around the financials then buy it before someone else does! Steering wheel is an easy dealer swap . Be great to have another PHr in a V12R and Spring with all that glorious sunshine is not far away!!!

[Cockernee]

At £75K plus to upgrade, UNLESS, cancelled order discount makes this less then No.

If money is no object and you are a lottery winner, like Tony, then do it. If like me £75K plus my existing car is just too far, then keep the V8VS. Adam puts it better than I have, but thems the facts. I can justify £20K to upgrade mine to a 2012 model Coupe, but another £55K on top again to get a Roadster, it is not a game I can play

I am sure that they will hold value better than the Coupe, due to the rarity, but will it appreciate.. Not for me.

[silverspeed]

I think most dealers took between £5k and £15k deposits on these non refundable once car is specced. This should go some way to getting a better cost to change.

[jonby]

David W. said:

jonby said:

btw the thread at 12'0 on the steering wheel looks a different colour to the other thread ?

Isn't that so you know where top dead center is as you uncross your arms from yet another full opp lock power slide, rally style.

the issue is that the contrast thread they have used is different to the contrast thread used elsewhere. Nothing wrong in principle with having more than one colour thread but there's nothing to tie in that thread on the wheel - if the rest of the car had a matched black stitch or some red stitch elsewhere it would be fine to have red on the wheel but as it is, it just smacks of poor planning and looks odd

the answer now is a new wheel as suggested, either with no contrast stitch or kestral tan stitch

[Lunablack]

I'm gonna put the cat amongst the pigeons now.....NO don't do it... The figures don't add up... The V12 isn't twice the car of your S

I actually much prefer your S.... And I'd bet if you put them side by side on a twisty road there'd be absolutely nothing in it...

And unless youre lucky enough to have lots of disposable income cost to change from what you already have is just to much...

I'd rather spend say £10k on a few well chosen mods on you're existing car, than £70k++++ on a V12


There I said it

[jonby]

silverspeed said:

I think most dealers took between £5k and £15k deposits on these non refundable once car is specced. This should go some way to getting a better cost to change.

good point !

although in reality, giving back the theoretically non refundable depost is something the dealers use their discretion over depending on circumstance and how 'known' the buyer is. I don't think deposit will be used against the purchase price even if it wasn't refunded but who knows

there are other factors too, like was this a grange cancelled order or a different dealers ?

very difficult to guess all ways round but I'd be surprised if there was more than 10k discount on offer

[V8 Animal]

I thought my jump was a big one but this is even bigger and a marmite colour too.

That's big balls mikey

[Murph7355]

No.

Unless it is very, very cheap.

[Neil1300R]

Love the colour.
Stop tarting around - get it bought!

[mikey k]

So Mrs K is to blame for this one
She saw the other thread and gave Lloyd a call with out my knowledge
Earlier today she asked me for £85 neglected to mention the 3 0's at the end
Then explained what she wanted it for

It transpires it was a build slot the factory speced with what looks like standard options (not a cancelled order) and offered to Grange to sell due to their success with other V12R's, so no discounts or deposit off sets

It is pretty close to my ideal spec, always fancied a metallic orange roadster (looked at an N400 roadster in a similar colour)
I wouldn't have chosen the B&O, but most the other stuff is good. The dead ahead wheel stitching isn't ideal and I suspect they went for Tan contrast stitching as Orange would have put it in to Q spec.
I'm not too keen on the wheels, piano black trim, black exhausts or the rear light infills

AdamV8V puts it very well, I am a convert to ASM2 and struggled with the V12/light weigh seats combination last time I tried.

The cost to changes is £82k, Grange have been keen on my V8VS but as Jonby says then there is transport, detailing, venture shield etc
I can see them holding value slight better but it will still depreciate but that is not high on my agenda.
The S is probably better suited for our Eurotours especially with the BR 5.0L conversion.
It's a real conundrum and a difficult decision modded V8 or V12

[Murph7355]

mikey k said:

..
It's a real conundrum and a difficult decision modded V8 or V12

Doesn't sound that hard.

The V12R is not to your ideal spec - just one of the non-ideal things you mentioned would irk me every time I looked at it.

And then there's the small matter of 82k. You'll be able to pick one up for that in a couple of years' time.

Grange will surely struggle to sell that on with its hotch potch spec. Hold out for a much better deal or put it out of your mind and enjoy the beautiful spec car you have now.

[MollyGTi]

Murph7355 said:

mikey k said:

..
It's a real conundrum and a difficult decision modded V8 or V12

Doesn't sound that hard.

The V12R is not to your ideal spec - just one of the non-ideal things you mentioned would irk me every time I looked at it.

And then there's the small matter of 82k. You'll be able to pick one up for that in a couple of years' time.

Grange will surely struggle to sell that on with its hotch potch spec. Hold out for a much better deal or put it out of your mind and enjoy the beautiful spec car you have now.

[Chris P Bacon]

Why don't you make them a cheeky offer?

[silverspeed]

We are talking serious money here but one point I would make is I have modded two cars in the past ( ok not Aston standard) but in both cases I have struggled to sell them on and eventually had one put back to standard (VX220 Turbo) . If you want to max out re sale values I wouldn't mod ( except perhaps exhaust) . If it was done at Works Service like the V550/600 cars then it is perceived as a factory upgrade and traders / customers like/accept them ( bit like the Prodrive upgrades on early cars) . If you want the best of the best and it has to be an Vantage Roadster then V12R is the best long term option. Just my opinion on past experience albeit not with Astons and a very happy R owner!