As Heaven 17 said "Tempppppppppppppp - tation"
Discussion
It's slightly depressing reminding me of just how much my cost to change was (more than 82k :-( ) but that's partly because mine isn't (quite) here yet....it took me a while to get my head around it but unlike mikey, my V8SR wasn't specced by me and that was part of the equation in several respects
Silverspeed is quite right about modded cars I'm sure - I have no experience in this area but I imagine BR mods are very appealing to a small number of people who understand BR but quite off-putting (as with all major mods) to most others
As for the Grange one, interesting background there mikey - all sounds sensible. I kept a few bits like wind deflector to carry over and some of my purchases can't really be included in the exercise (like the Amvox V12V watch !) but other bits do add up. So I could say that some of your spec 'issues' are resolvable at minimal cost (wheels & exhaust trim for instance - you can paint the wheels any colour you want for little money and you'll probably find someone who will do a straight swap on the exhaust finishers) but they will again, add up in the overall equation
I thought about different rear lights but not sure it would be right on the V12VR to change such a fundamental part of the look. Likewise piano black trim, once the CF is in, would probably look odd in say silver/metallic though I did think about having the entire centre trim section in the body colour of the car - never asked the cost. B&O is a bigger issue because even if you're indifferent to it soundwise and the little bit of boot space it robs, you can't in this instance avoid the 5.5k cost ! If it wasn't for that, I suspect it would be one of the cheapest specced Rs out there because of the lack of Q, interior colour premiums, etc despite having all the options ticked so it's not missing anything anyone might want
As for the discount comments, I suspect that the price will only be dropped if it's still around in more than a few months time - they have plenty of time to sell it without getting into the summer so arguably it's ideal time of year to not panic and if someone is determined to have a V12VR and/or loves the colour, there will be no alternative to this vehicle but no dealer would be brave enough to spec this car in this colour without factory support ordinarily so it's basically a risk. If they don't get a taker by say March/April, they either have to be brave & stubborn or cut their losses
One final thought - would you really do nothing BR wise if you bought a V12VR mikey ? I'm starting with cats pretty much straight away and not overly worrying about anything else until at least next summer but I'd be surprised if I can afford it, if in 2-3 yrs time I haven't done more on the manifold/exhaust side of things......
Silverspeed is quite right about modded cars I'm sure - I have no experience in this area but I imagine BR mods are very appealing to a small number of people who understand BR but quite off-putting (as with all major mods) to most others
As for the Grange one, interesting background there mikey - all sounds sensible. I kept a few bits like wind deflector to carry over and some of my purchases can't really be included in the exercise (like the Amvox V12V watch !) but other bits do add up. So I could say that some of your spec 'issues' are resolvable at minimal cost (wheels & exhaust trim for instance - you can paint the wheels any colour you want for little money and you'll probably find someone who will do a straight swap on the exhaust finishers) but they will again, add up in the overall equation
I thought about different rear lights but not sure it would be right on the V12VR to change such a fundamental part of the look. Likewise piano black trim, once the CF is in, would probably look odd in say silver/metallic though I did think about having the entire centre trim section in the body colour of the car - never asked the cost. B&O is a bigger issue because even if you're indifferent to it soundwise and the little bit of boot space it robs, you can't in this instance avoid the 5.5k cost ! If it wasn't for that, I suspect it would be one of the cheapest specced Rs out there because of the lack of Q, interior colour premiums, etc despite having all the options ticked so it's not missing anything anyone might want
As for the discount comments, I suspect that the price will only be dropped if it's still around in more than a few months time - they have plenty of time to sell it without getting into the summer so arguably it's ideal time of year to not panic and if someone is determined to have a V12VR and/or loves the colour, there will be no alternative to this vehicle but no dealer would be brave enough to spec this car in this colour without factory support ordinarily so it's basically a risk. If they don't get a taker by say March/April, they either have to be brave & stubborn or cut their losses
One final thought - would you really do nothing BR wise if you bought a V12VR mikey ? I'm starting with cats pretty much straight away and not overly worrying about anything else until at least next summer but I'd be surprised if I can afford it, if in 2-3 yrs time I haven't done more on the manifold/exhaust side of things......
AMDBSNick said:
Ignoring my earlier comment my take is simply this. £82k buys you a very very good ADDITIONAL toy, probably to your exact spec 
Correctamundo.Just think how many swan pens you could build !!!
You could even construct a moat around your new chateau
AND....invest in gates that don't close on other people's cars
AMDBSNick said:
Ignoring my earlier comment my take is simply this. £82k buys you a very very good ADDITIONAL toy, probably to your exact spec
problem is however good the toy, it's not a V12VR - if V12VR is your ultimate dream, all else goes out the window but if you have sit down and rationally justify it, you've probably already answered the question - this is a car to buy with the heart, not the head !t1blk said:
I'm siding with AMDBSNick here, if it's not to your exact preferential spec then let it go Mike or opt for another toy, you have a stunning motor there so keep it and wait. The V12VR is gorgeous in every way but is it worth the extra lashout for one that isn't perfect for you.
hard to disagree - it keeps coming back to whether you will feel the spec is a compromise
jonby said:
I suspect it would be one of the cheapest specced Rs out there because of the lack of Q, interior colour premiums, etc despite having all the options ticked so it's not missing anything anyone might want
One final thought - would you really do nothing BR wise if you bought a V12VR mikey ? I'm starting with cats pretty much straight away and not overly worrying about anything else until at least next summer but I'd be surprised if I can afford it, if in 2-3 yrs time I haven't done more on the manifold/exhaust side of things......
I suspect it was spec that way intentionally to fill a build slot with an eye catcher with out any Q additionsOne final thought - would you really do nothing BR wise if you bought a V12VR mikey ? I'm starting with cats pretty much straight away and not overly worrying about anything else until at least next summer but I'd be surprised if I can afford it, if in 2-3 yrs time I haven't done more on the manifold/exhaust side of things......
Good point on the BR mods
Jockman said:
Correctamundo.
Just think how many swan pens you could build !!!
You could even construct a moat around your new chateau
AND....invest in gates that don't close on other people's cars
82k would make a spectacular "project" car Just think how many swan pens you could build !!!
You could even construct a moat around your new chateau
AND....invest in gates that don't close on other people's cars
We nearly had gategate
you were just not quiet far enough in to break the "safety" beam as they closed 
As you are renowned for being so slow I will lock then open for you next time.
Mrs K keeps waving the V12VR pictures at me
Edited by mikey k on Thursday 3rd January 12:35
The lyrics are very apt to the opinions in this thread:-
All I desire
Temptation
Keep climbing higher and higher
Temptation
Adorable creatures
Temptation
With unacceptable features
Temptation
Trouble is coming
Temptation
It's just the high cost of loving
Temptation
You can take it or leave it
Temptation
But you'd better believe it
All I desire
Temptation
Keep climbing higher and higher
Temptation
Adorable creatures
Temptation
With unacceptable features
Temptation
Trouble is coming
Temptation
It's just the high cost of loving
Temptation
You can take it or leave it
Temptation
But you'd better believe it
cool and rare car Mikey, but £80k is a big lump extra when you already have a very nice S Roadster... best of luck with the decision. 
hornbaek said:
I am with the "no" sayers on this. At 160K + it is not a viable option. Compared to the V8R it is overpriced by a mile and in a colour which is shall we say "rare". If you want a V12 then buy a nice V12V and keep that alongside your V8R and you have the best of both worlds.
All separate issues IMO. Not disagreeing with most of them (though V12V & V8R combination, which has some advantages over a V12VR, will always be a compromise if V12VR is what you really want). But the car is not, IMO, over priced compared to V8SR. As much for my own interest, I;ve just checked it out. List Price difference OTR without options, between V8SR & V12R is c. 40k. (112ish compared to 152). Gearboxes differences aside, the V12 has carbon brakes which typically cost 10k on cars in this bracket, exterior carbon which costs 4k (strakes, lights & mirrors), lighter wheels ('cost' say 1.5k? it's not an official option), glass switches £400, piano black interior pack 1.5k, carbon door pulls 2k, alarm upgrade £300, autodim mirror £200, memory seats £500.
That's over 20k at Aston's official list price for the extras so like for like, it's no more than 20k for the 'better' engine, tyres & suspension - sounds about right to me.....other than the interior & exterior carbon, most of that stuff is likely to be specced by the vast majority of buyers if it was an option on V12. The problem is the real world discounts on most models bar the V12VR, which don't always actually affect the factory, but do affect the punter, a most unfortunate element to the equation
mikey k said:
jonby said:
I suspect it would be one of the cheapest specced Rs out there because of the lack of Q, interior colour premiums, etc despite having all the options ticked so it's not missing anything anyone might want
One final thought - would you really do nothing BR wise if you bought a V12VR mikey ? I'm starting with cats pretty much straight away and not overly worrying about anything else until at least next summer but I'd be surprised if I can afford it, if in 2-3 yrs time I haven't done more on the manifold/exhaust side of things......
I suspect it was spec that way intentionally to fill a build slot with an eye catcher with out any Q additionsOne final thought - would you really do nothing BR wise if you bought a V12VR mikey ? I'm starting with cats pretty much straight away and not overly worrying about anything else until at least next summer but I'd be surprised if I can afford it, if in 2-3 yrs time I haven't done more on the manifold/exhaust side of things......
Good point on the BR mods
jonby said:
All separate issues IMO. Not disagreeing with most of them (though V12V & V8R combination, which has some advantages over a V12VR, will always be a compromise if V12VR is what you really want). But the car is not, IMO, over priced compared to V8SR.
As much for my own interest, I;ve just checked it out. List Price difference OTR without options, between V8SR & V12R is c. 40k. (112ish compared to 152). Gearboxes differences aside, the V12 has carbon brakes which typically cost 10k on cars in this bracket, exterior carbon which costs 4k (strakes, lights & mirrors), lighter wheels ('cost' say 1.5k? it's not an official option), glass switches £400, piano black interior pack 1.5k, carbon door pulls 2k, alarm upgrade £300, autodim mirror £200, memory seats £500.
That's over 20k at Aston's official list price for the extras so like for like, it's no more than 20k for the 'better' engine, tyres & suspension - sounds about right to me.....other than the interior & exterior carbon, most of that stuff is likely to be specced by the vast majority of buyers if it was an option on V12. The problem is the real world discounts on most models bar the V12VR, which don't always actually affect the factory, but do affect the punter, a most unfortunate element to the equation
Do you have a degree in "man maths" As much for my own interest, I;ve just checked it out. List Price difference OTR without options, between V8SR & V12R is c. 40k. (112ish compared to 152). Gearboxes differences aside, the V12 has carbon brakes which typically cost 10k on cars in this bracket, exterior carbon which costs 4k (strakes, lights & mirrors), lighter wheels ('cost' say 1.5k? it's not an official option), glass switches £400, piano black interior pack 1.5k, carbon door pulls 2k, alarm upgrade £300, autodim mirror £200, memory seats £500.
That's over 20k at Aston's official list price for the extras so like for like, it's no more than 20k for the 'better' engine, tyres & suspension - sounds about right to me.....other than the interior & exterior carbon, most of that stuff is likely to be specced by the vast majority of buyers if it was an option on V12. The problem is the real world discounts on most models bar the V12VR, which don't always actually affect the factory, but do affect the punter, a most unfortunate element to the equation
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