Change of tyres and a bit of an experiment
Discussion
GingerMunky said:
I agree, that's why I said it was an 'experiment', which most people posting seem to have ignored and jumped on the tyre snobbery bandwagon.
For 350 pounds the tyres are cheap enough to just bin them if it were rubbish. Turns out they have been excellent so far and no discernible different to the Dunlop Sport Max.
Perhaps what this thread needs is someone able to explain the difference in chemical compounds used in a Pirelli compared with a Sailun. Explaining which of the most commonly used elastomers "elastic polymers" are used and why; such as polyisoprene (natural rubber, isoprene rubber) / styrene-butadiene copolymer (styrene-butadiene rubber) / polybutadiene (butadiene rubber). And how these are combined with other compounds to improve the frictional force generated. Together with the construction method of the tread, body ply and walls, it would be fascinating insight between a premium and perceived budget.
Now that would be more intelligent and helpful than some of useless s
t posted above 
But hey this is pistonheads.
Well done Mark for staying calm and professional with your response, you have prevented the usual plummet into a slanging match. As you say it's an experiment. I hope you will tell us how it goes and either confirm a lot of peoples thoughts on here or maybe even make those with open minds think a bit.For 350 pounds the tyres are cheap enough to just bin them if it were rubbish. Turns out they have been excellent so far and no discernible different to the Dunlop Sport Max.
Perhaps what this thread needs is someone able to explain the difference in chemical compounds used in a Pirelli compared with a Sailun. Explaining which of the most commonly used elastomers "elastic polymers" are used and why; such as polyisoprene (natural rubber, isoprene rubber) / styrene-butadiene copolymer (styrene-butadiene rubber) / polybutadiene (butadiene rubber). And how these are combined with other compounds to improve the frictional force generated. Together with the construction method of the tread, body ply and walls, it would be fascinating insight between a premium and perceived budget.
Now that would be more intelligent and helpful than some of useless s
t posted above But hey this is pistonheads.Edited by GingerMunky on Thursday 19th May 13:15
F1 NDW said:
Well done Mark for staying calm and professional with your response, you have prevented the usual plummet into a slanging match. As you say it's an experiment. I hope you will tell us how it goes and either confirm a lot of peoples thoughts on here or maybe even make those with open minds think a bit.
Well that rules you out Neil....... 
GingerMunky said:
Thought I would try some different tyres for my Vantage as an experiment:
Rear: Sailun 275/35R19 Atrezzo ZSR
Compared with Pirelli PZero & Michelin Super Sport they are rated identical, and are marginally quieter.
Front: Nankang 235/40R19 AS-1
Compared with Pirelli PZero & Dunlop Sport Maxx they are rated almost identical.
All 4 tyres purchased and fitted for £352! here at http://www.samko.co.uk/ Must say very nice people.
After fitting I took them for a spirited drive up to Brecon, on a mixture of tight turns and fast open curves, and I must say they are superb. Grip was fantastic, sharp turn in and very comfortable under heavy load both braking and acceleration.
I'll report back after 5,000 miles and see if they are still performing, but first impressions are very encouraging.
Has anyone else tested less well recognised and un-marketed brands?
I look forward to your report after 5000 miles.Rear: Sailun 275/35R19 Atrezzo ZSR
Compared with Pirelli PZero & Michelin Super Sport they are rated identical, and are marginally quieter.
Front: Nankang 235/40R19 AS-1
Compared with Pirelli PZero & Dunlop Sport Maxx they are rated almost identical.
All 4 tyres purchased and fitted for £352! here at http://www.samko.co.uk/ Must say very nice people.
After fitting I took them for a spirited drive up to Brecon, on a mixture of tight turns and fast open curves, and I must say they are superb. Grip was fantastic, sharp turn in and very comfortable under heavy load both braking and acceleration.
I'll report back after 5,000 miles and see if they are still performing, but first impressions are very encouraging.
Has anyone else tested less well recognised and un-marketed brands?
Edited by GingerMunky on Tuesday 17th May 20:32
Chinese technology has advanced enormously over the last 25 years - but they don't seem to have put their prices up.
BT are currently replacing their core network with Chinese equipment. This would have been utterly unthinkable 15 years ago.
I shouldn't be at all surprised if these tyres turn out to be better than the recommended tyres.
F1 NDW said:
Well done Mark for staying calm and professional with your response, you have prevented the usual plummet into a slanging match. As you say it's an experiment. I hope you will tell us how it goes and either confirm a lot of peoples thoughts on here or maybe even make those with open minds think a bit.
+1I had a set of Linglong tyres on a BMW 5 series I used to have around 5 years ago and they were great. I researched them before they were put on and they were just as good as the Bridgestone's, good luck with your experiment !!
The old adage buy cheap buy twice always springs to mind for me
What about this question
Would sir like the European designed and made heart pace maker or the budget Chinese one at half price ? I know what my answer would be . Of course the more expensive one could go wrong too but playing the percentage game must be the way
Only my thoughts
M
What about this question
Would sir like the European designed and made heart pace maker or the budget Chinese one at half price ? I know what my answer would be . Of course the more expensive one could go wrong too but playing the percentage game must be the way
Only my thoughts
M
GingerMunky said:
divetheworld said:
It's not how they appear to grip now, it's how they let go later after they get warm and stressed.
I agree, that's why I said it was an 'experiment', which most people posting seem to have ignored and jumped on the tyre snobbery bandwagon.An experiment would be fitting Continental 5s over the Potenzas, fitting ditch finders is something else.
it's virtually impossible to reach any kind of grip limit on the road these days, especially in something quick.
They will almost certainly be fine for gently spirited driving in good conditions. I would be careful in the wet though, and once conditions turn cold again as that's when the differences between cheap and premium tyres become most apparent.
Not something I would fit to the Aston myself, but each to their own. I did try Nankang winter tyres on my daily driver (that were a third of the price of the premium tyres I had previously run), and they were fine until temperatures warmed up when they started feeling a bit vague / loose, which is no surprise.
Don't try and sell it with them on though!
They will almost certainly be fine for gently spirited driving in good conditions. I would be careful in the wet though, and once conditions turn cold again as that's when the differences between cheap and premium tyres become most apparent.
Not something I would fit to the Aston myself, but each to their own. I did try Nankang winter tyres on my daily driver (that were a third of the price of the premium tyres I had previously run), and they were fine until temperatures warmed up when they started feeling a bit vague / loose, which is no surprise.
Don't try and sell it with them on though!
Edited by Dingle Dell on Saturday 21st May 16:37
Nangkang have a bad rep but their NS2R is superb. Point being that even a manufacturer with a poor reputation (such as vauxhall) can stilll churn out something exceptional (such as the Lotus Carlton)
Sometimes a tyre can be world-beating on one context but unusable in many others - look at hoosier drag slicks as one example.
Treadwear ratings give an indication in to grip, harder compounds last longer so have better treadwear numbers.
Ultimately first hand experiecne is the best kind of experience - but it may be better to experiment in a vehicle that stands to cost you less should the worst happen.
Sometimes a tyre can be world-beating on one context but unusable in many others - look at hoosier drag slicks as one example.
Treadwear ratings give an indication in to grip, harder compounds last longer so have better treadwear numbers.
Ultimately first hand experiecne is the best kind of experience - but it may be better to experiment in a vehicle that stands to cost you less should the worst happen.
LTP said:
Hmmmm...necro'ing a thread that's nearly 4 years old - is this a PH record?
No way! We had one thread last week which was resurected after 11 years. Just incredible!On the subject of tyres, I'm of the mind "buy cheap, buy twice" and personally can't be ar5ed with experimenting with my P&J on the Queen's Highway. Full kudos to the man who tests cheap tyres with the Aston though, well done mate.
We never did get that update from GingerMunky.......did we? Hope he's OK.....
I've just started a similar experiment on my daily, a Jaguar XF 3.0S on 20 inch wheels, having previously always fitted the recommended Dunlop SportsMaxx at nearly £200 a corner I was recently looking to replace and having a moan to a fleet manager friend of mine about the fact that I always seem to attract a large wood screw within weeks of fitting new rubber when he made what I thought at first was a light hearted recommendation.
He told me to try a set of Triangle TH201 Sportex, when my laughter had calmed down he explained that he had been fitting them to various high end fleet cars such as Beemers and Mercs for a while and never had a single issue or complaint about them, he priced a full set for me at less than £300 fitted, I took a huge gamble and went for it, many of my colleagues were in hysterics when I told them, with the general consensus being 'ditch finders' especially given the weather and temperatures at this time of year.
Anyway I'm around 700 miles into them now and the car feels exactly as it did on the Dunlops, despite me pushing them hard at first looking for problems, I deliberately tried to provoke understeer on damp roundabouts and oversteer on the exits during the first few weeks but they performed faultlessly in all normal usage and are continuing to do so
So far they've handled long, wet and cold 'A' road and motorway runs, and everything else I've thrown at them, ok I don't drive on the limit, I got all that out of my system many years ago racing motorbikes, but I don't hang around either, and when pushing on they feel grippy and predictable.
I know there certainly used to be some real crap out there among unknown Chinese stuff, I fitted some to a Toyota MR2 years ago and removed them within weeks, but these Triangle's have really impressed me up to now!!
He told me to try a set of Triangle TH201 Sportex, when my laughter had calmed down he explained that he had been fitting them to various high end fleet cars such as Beemers and Mercs for a while and never had a single issue or complaint about them, he priced a full set for me at less than £300 fitted, I took a huge gamble and went for it, many of my colleagues were in hysterics when I told them, with the general consensus being 'ditch finders' especially given the weather and temperatures at this time of year.
Anyway I'm around 700 miles into them now and the car feels exactly as it did on the Dunlops, despite me pushing them hard at first looking for problems, I deliberately tried to provoke understeer on damp roundabouts and oversteer on the exits during the first few weeks but they performed faultlessly in all normal usage and are continuing to do so
So far they've handled long, wet and cold 'A' road and motorway runs, and everything else I've thrown at them, ok I don't drive on the limit, I got all that out of my system many years ago racing motorbikes, but I don't hang around either, and when pushing on they feel grippy and predictable.
I know there certainly used to be some real crap out there among unknown Chinese stuff, I fitted some to a Toyota MR2 years ago and removed them within weeks, but these Triangle's have really impressed me up to now!!
GingerMunky said:
I'll report back after 5,000 miles and see if they are still performing, but first impressions are very encouraging.
4 years later ,after some to and fro and harsh words about ditch finders on an Aston ,not a word from the OP rereporting back.
Did he bin it and decided not to own up ?
Pericoloso said:
GingerMunky said:
I'll report back after 5,000 miles and see if they are still performing, but first impressions are very encouraging.
4 years later ,after some to and fro and harsh words about ditch finders on an Aston ,not a word from the OP rereporting back.
Did he bin it and decided not to own up ?
Inspector Clueso speaking. -
Take a look at the profile page.
Think the car with the tyres under discussion, was changed for a Vanquish.
The timing might indicate those tyres were still on the car.
If a main dealer was involved, do you think there would be a routine change to OEM ?
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 26th February 08:10
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