V12VR Sticking

[Big Ry]

Has anyone else noticed that the current V12VR's that are for sale seem to be sticking a bit. Are we about to see a softening on these ?

There are four available at the moment, and the Dayonta and Sandstorm one is lovely......however it's been for sale for a fairly long time (autotrader and not Timeless for some reason).

I wonder if the previous owners of these chopped them in for V12SMR's.

[Quarterly]

Big Ry said:

.....however it's been for sale for a fairly long time (autotrader and not Timeless for some reason).

If its the one I'm thinking about, it could be because the dealer is selling it on behalf of the owner and not AM. Its a lovely car.

[Ex Boy Racer]

Kind of expected it.
I bought mine because I wanted a V12 Vantage roadster but hated the sport shift.
Only 101 ever made, so I had to pay through the nose for it.
Now you can get a manual roadster so why pay silly money for a second hand car?

[Big Ry]

So the fact that the Nero black car is now on timeless, does that mean it's now a dealer car and no longer being sold on behalf of the owner ?

Long term these will always command decent money though as they're numbered, and that seems to be a big driver for things like this.

I do wonder how much they'll soften though (if anymore at all), usually I'd expect values of roadsters to strengthen at this time of year, yet I've had notices recently of three out of the four being reduced.

Will be interesting to see what prices the S Manual roadsters start appearing at when they do.

[jonby]

Just as there are effectively only two cars you can buy if you want a manual V12 Gaydon Aston (DBS & V12V/VS), there is effectively only one car that meets the same criteria if you want a soft top - V12V & V12VSM. That's unless Nick decides to sell :-)

I'm assuming that as production of any manual V12 Vantage stops later this year, given you can no longer place orders for one, it's a matter of when rather than if prices start to rise. It would appear that at most, there will be no more V12VS manual roadsters made (globally or in the UK) than production numbers for the original V12V roadsters

I recognise I'm biased though, as I have something incoming from Gaydon which means I'll be looking to sell mine later this year. Here's hoping the market agrees with me !

[Jon39]

jonby said:

... as I have something incoming from Gaydon ...

Oh you are teasing us, Jonby.

You have a history of open top Aston Martins, so my guess is you might continue with that theme.
Incoming from Gaydon, so it must be a current model.
Presumably with the replacement Vantage, the Roadster may as usual, be announced some time after the Coupe, so that may be unlikely.

Perhaps
Vanquish Volante,
DB11 Volante.

Or could it be a Special, Special, Very Very Last Limited Edition, Vantage Roadster Manual?

[hornbaek]

I think that is a bit of wishful thinking as everybody who wants a new (old) V12V probably has ordered one and very few would suddenly change their mind only when production has ceased. Secondly, when the new V8 is launched you have to anticipate that some will switch into the newer model as not everybody is collector or cares about the "last of the VH-based V12 Gaydon cars". If you have something coming out of Gaydon later (which I have as well) and you have a roadster at present, you are probably better of putting it on the market before the summer break. Just a thought.

[jonby]

hornbaek said:

I think that is a bit of wishful thinking as everybody who wants a new (old) V12V probably has ordered one and very few would suddenly change their mind only when production has ceased. Secondly, when the new V8 is launched you have to anticipate that some will switch into the newer model as not everybody is collector or cares about the "last of the VH-based V12 Gaydon cars". If you have something coming out of Gaydon later (which I have as well) and you have a roadster at present, you are probably better of putting it on the market before the summer break. Just a thought.

Definitely some wishful thinking on my part ! :-)

Although it will presumably be a fair old while till there is a manual roadster version of the all new vantage, let alone one that is a step up from the base model.

My plan is to sell mine when I'm back from Le Mans towards the end of June, as you say before the Summer is over.

[jonby]

Jon39 said:

jonby said:

... as I have something incoming from Gaydon ...

Oh you are teasing us, Jonby.

You have a history of open top Aston Martins, so my guess is you might continue with that theme.
Incoming from Gaydon, so it must be a current model.
Presumably with the replacement Vantage, the Roadster may as usual, be announced some time after the Coupe, so that may be unlikely.

Perhaps
Vanquish Volante,
DB11 Volante.

Or could it be a Special, Special, Very Very Last Limited Edition, Vantage Roadster Manual?

I'm saying nothing :-)
Hoping that I manage to keep my gob shut till it arrives, but suspect I might struggle...........am excited is all I'll say but if you can't be excited buying a new Aston Martin, when can you be ?

[wtdoom]

jonby said:

I'm saying nothing :-)
Hoping that I manage to keep my gob shut till it arrives, but suspect I might struggle...........am excited is all I'll say but if you can't be excited buying a new Aston Martin, when can you be ?

Oh do tell

[Big Ry]

So it looks like AM Edinburgh just increased the price of the V12VR they have (Hammerhead Silver) by five grand. Seems like an odd move as it hasn't shifted at £115k, so why increase it to £120k. I see the all black V12VR has now gone so perhaps they think there's about to be a rush.

[hornbaek]

Maybe it stopped snowing !

[jonby]

Big Ry said:

So it looks like AM Edinburgh just increased the price of the V12VR they have (Hammerhead Silver) by five grand. Seems like an odd move as it hasn't shifted at £115k, so why increase it to £120k. I see the all black V12VR has now gone so perhaps they think there's about to be a rush.

Again,I'm biased for the reasons I've mentioned above

But I would say this is a really specialist vehicle/market. There are approximately 30something in the UK out of 101, of which a number of original owners still have their cars, including at least 4 active forum members.

I am now led to understand that total numbers of manual roadsters globally for V12VSR, including those in production (you can no longer order them of course), will be less than for V12VR, with a similar percentage as for the 101 being RHD

So the total number for sale at any one time is normally between 0 and 4. We are of course getting in to the right time of year to sell a roadster and inevitably, the effect of not being able to order a manual V12 roadster any more (or any V12 roadster for that matter) must surely kick into effect at some stage

I imagine also that as there are so few that will change hands in any given year, specification also comes into play - lightweight seats and exterior/interior colours in particular. I think that will be more important to buyers right now than say a £5k price difference, as most people either want lightweights or won't have a car without and how many chances they will have to buy a car in the spec/colour they like could be few and far between. From what I've seen, far less than half the UK V12VRs have lightweights

It's also worth mentioning that standard spec of the 101 was very good - apart from the items that all V12VS have dropped since V12V (leather quality, CF bonnet louvres, CF door pulls, etc) the 101 had CF mirrors, light infills, side strakes and various other items meaning they are all very well specced

So yes I'm conflicted as I want the values to rise for when I sell mine, but I can see good reasons for it. If I could afford to hold on to mine for a year or so after I take delivery of my new car, I would, as I think the values of the 101 could well be higher in 12 months time compared to today, as I think could be the case for all V12V/S variants

[IanV12VR]

Big Ry said:

So it looks like AM Edinburgh just increased the price of the V12VR they have (Hammerhead Silver) by five grand. Seems like an odd move as it hasn't shifted at £115k, so why increase it to £120k. I see the all black V12VR has now gone so perhaps they think there's about to be a rush.

Does seems strange but I guess the combination of people not being able to order new manual V12's (or any other) and the time of the year may be a factor.

Being a V12VR owner I have been keeping a watch on pricing and they were definitely adversely affected by the new 7 speed being launched so I guess once that supply disappears then there will be an adjustment.

Has the black one gone, still showing on my searches on the official site and Autotrader. It has disappeared off the official site before only to return a little later.

[Big Ry]

It's gone from the AM Timeless search so I assume it's sold.

I totally agree with future values etc, I just think it's odd that a dealer would up the price of something by £5k. Yes the weather is supposed to be getting better etc etc, but if I was in the market now I'd be buying the Nero Black low mileage one, not paying £120k for one with nearly 30k on the clock for a few grand less.

I assume they have profit in it at the £115k it was up for, and again you would think they want to move it on. If it was the only one for sale then fair enough, but........

Anyway, what the hell do I know

[jonby]

Big Ry said:

It's gone from the AM Timeless search so I assume it's sold.

I totally agree with future values etc, I just think it's odd that a dealer would up the price of something by £5k. Yes the weather is supposed to be getting better etc etc, but if I was in the market now I'd be buying the Nero Black low mileage one, not paying £120k for one with nearly 30k on the clock for a few grand less.

I assume they have profit in it at the £115k it was up for, and again you would think they want to move it on. If it was the only one for sale then fair enough, but........

Anyway, what the hell do I know

am tempted to agree - it has no lightweight seats and isn't the most imaginative spec in the world but having said that, if you don't want black or white, it's the only one available

Do we know if it's on SOR or been bought in ?

What premium when I sell mine do I ask for an expensive colour (ceramic), lots of unique Q work, lightweight seats, capristo rear cat delete and backbox, luggage and various other extras ? I can see arguments for very little and arguments for 10-20k premium. I guess the answer is be bullish and see what happens. Perhaps that's what they are doing.

[Big Ry]

jonby said:

I guess the answer is be bullish and see what happens. Perhaps that's what they are doing.

But it didn't sell at 115.....let alone £120

Somebody in their infinite wisdom no doubt knows far more than I do, as even with my Arthur Daley Crombie on I still can't see the sense in that one.

[Dewi 1]

Big Ry said:

. . . I just think it's odd that a dealer would up the price of something by £5k.

It is indeed odd, but I have noticed the same thing, with one of the Grigio Titanio Vantages.

Stratstone, Wilmslow listed a Coupe in Oct 2012 at £56k.
Still listed in Nov, Dec and Jan, but then in February 2013 the advertised price was increased to £59,000.
It had by then 280 more miles on the clock, but not listed again, so presumably sold.

Reminds one of the auction system in Holland.

[Jon39]

jonby said:

What premium when I sell mine do I ask for an expensive colour (ceramic), lots of unique Q work, lightweight seats, capristo rear cat delete and backbox, luggage and various other extras ? I can see arguments for very little and arguments for 10-20k premium.

Perhaps a carefully worded forum contribution Jonby, will produce a queue of eager buyers, for a very rare Aston, and on a sunny day too. Oh just a minute, you have already .......

[cayman-black]

Big Ry said:

But it didn't sell at 115.....let alone £120

Somebody in their infinite wisdom no doubt knows far more than I do, as even with my Arthur Daley Crombie on I still can't see the sense in that one.

The answer is the market has started moving again and these are as cheap as they are going to get.