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AMDBSVNick said:
Beefmeister said:
V12 AMR Coupe - £148,995
V12 AMR Roadster - £158,500
Aero Kit - £12,500
Titanium Exhaust - £10,794
AMR wheels - £5995
Add to that LW Seats, Halo pack and a few trinkets and you are at £190k. Then you could potentially spend another £12k with QV12 AMR Roadster - £158,500
Aero Kit - £12,500
Titanium Exhaust - £10,794
AMR wheels - £5995
Edited by Beefmeister on Wednesday 14th June 10:50
But one small point - minimum q spend under the new rules is indeed 12k on the V12V (8k on the v8) buytthe brochure says q is not allowed in halo spec cars. You also can't order Stirling or lime in any way other than via halo
The more I think about it, the more a manual v8 coupe with halo and a smattering of extras actually looks quite good value
IanV12VR said:
Jonby has just quoted from the the official announcement so not sure where you have got your pricing from Adam. If you add the accessories you mention you would undoubtedly add at least £30k to the price. However, they cannot be ordered as options and because they are accessories and would have to be fitted by the dealer after it left the factory. That may put some buyers off doing it who want to keep it as it left the factory.
I was told face to face by my dealer's head of sales that was the price. This was during a one to one meeting I had with him because I have been asking about the car for many months now as I knew it was coming from the rumours on here. I effectively had the first dibs on their one car allocation, but due to a combination lack of flexibility in the spec to get the car I would want, price and a general underwhelming feeling about the basic spec anyway I decided to pass on the opportunity. Just as well because by the time the announcement was out they had 2 or 3 more interested parties, so had I decided to proceed there would no doubt have been a bun fight regardless. Anyway I dodged such a fight...So I have seen all the full spec details several weeks ago, but it was limited what I could take away, so some of it is from memory and only the AMR Accessory items actually had prices. That said the price of £175k stuck in my mind. It could be that was to include the Halo paint and a few options. Either way with Aero and min of £12k of Q customisation (paint etc...) I would have easily been at £195-200k for my spec at which point the cost to change over what Kermit already offers me was too great, especially when you consider that both Performance Pack and Aerokit and now available for my Kermit should I so wish.
Oddly it says on the material I have that Aerokit can be ordered in line build from MY18, so that indicates to me its factory fit on AMR Vantage orders - that said it could of course be wrong!
RobDown said:
I'm not sure the aero is available on the Roadster
But agree would probably look silly, so I'll order without
Yeah, probably would look silly, but then think GT12 Roadster.... No mention on the spec sheet I have for Aerokit that its actually limited to Coupe only, but the website does say available for on all V8 and V12 Vantage Coupe (MY12.25 on), so it probably is limited to Coupe only.But agree would probably look silly, so I'll order without
Edited by AdamV12V on Wednesday 14th June 13:56
with the Vantage AMR, AM decided not to dilute their Special products and I think it was a smart decision which will probably result in a mid-to-long term net £ benefit, for them:
- If they had launched a car with substantial differences to the standard "S" (V12 or V8), it would have been counter-productive to the AM Special Project division's strategy, to their recently launched products (GT8 and GT12, which also sells of the basis of their perceived rarity as well as, key, visual and dynamic differences) and to their newly acquired clients (who, in certain instances, don't overlap with clients of AM "normal" products)
- it would be interesting to see the take-up of these AMR "dealer-fit" options (I agree with other here, personally, I don't consider them as valuable/as special as the "factory-fitted" equivalents). On the GT8 experience, for instance, only very few owners decided to spec the "Dealer-fit" interior CF parts (dials surround etc.), which was specifically available as a "Dealer-fit" option in the GT8. I believe we won't see that many AMR Vantages cars with a fully loaded £30k "dealer-fit" spec, in my opinion.
- If they had launched a car with substantial differences to the standard "S" (V12 or V8), it would have been counter-productive to the AM Special Project division's strategy, to their recently launched products (GT8 and GT12, which also sells of the basis of their perceived rarity as well as, key, visual and dynamic differences) and to their newly acquired clients (who, in certain instances, don't overlap with clients of AM "normal" products)
- it would be interesting to see the take-up of these AMR "dealer-fit" options (I agree with other here, personally, I don't consider them as valuable/as special as the "factory-fitted" equivalents). On the GT8 experience, for instance, only very few owners decided to spec the "Dealer-fit" interior CF parts (dials surround etc.), which was specifically available as a "Dealer-fit" option in the GT8. I believe we won't see that many AMR Vantages cars with a fully loaded £30k "dealer-fit" spec, in my opinion.
silverspeed said:
If Autocar are correct ,and it is Vantage Swansong , then what a great end to the current model
I think this is the main thing - is the AMR officially the last-of-the-line Vantage?I've seen reference to this being 'the last series production of current Vantage range' but nothing that's in the public domain and nothing from AP's quote that confirms these will be the last cars to come off of the line (only "Limited production numbers will undoubtedly make them extremely collectible").
As Ian says, we've heard this from AML before...
I agree it's the big question. I've been told it's the run-out model. And I'm looking to proceed on that basis; that it's essentially my last chance to buy a v12vsm
The only thing that slightly concerns me is this; the new vantage looks some months away. AML have one production line dedicated to DB11. And the other line makes the Vanquish, Vantage etc. There may be a point where there is a gap in the second line (a hiatus between Vantage old and new). Will AML be tempted to squeeze in another 50 Vantages?
Of course the other possibility is that the DB11 Volante is expected to fill the gap between Vantage models
The only thing that slightly concerns me is this; the new vantage looks some months away. AML have one production line dedicated to DB11. And the other line makes the Vanquish, Vantage etc. There may be a point where there is a gap in the second line (a hiatus between Vantage old and new). Will AML be tempted to squeeze in another 50 Vantages?
Of course the other possibility is that the DB11 Volante is expected to fill the gap between Vantage models
RobDown said:
I agree it's the big question. I've been told it's the run-out model. And I'm looking to proceed on that basis; that it's essentially my last chance to buy a v12vsm
The only thing that slightly concerns me is this; the new vantage looks some months away. AML have one production line dedicated to DB11. And the other line makes the Vanquish, Vantage etc. There may be a point where there is a gap in the second line (a hiatus between Vantage old and new). Will AML be tempted to squeeze in another 50 Vantages?
Of course the other possibility is that the DB11 Volante is expected to fill the gap between Vantage models
It's interesting that Autocar do call it the swansong however nothing in the official release says last of line . My gut feel is they possibly added 20 production slots recently to push back the AMR cars closer to new Vantage launch date because of delays . Also where would they go with a 'final edition' V12 car - 625bhp - not sure GT12 or AMR customers would be happy with that and how could it top trump the AMR car ? In my opinion I think it's pretty safe to say these will be last of line cars . The only thing that slightly concerns me is this; the new vantage looks some months away. AML have one production line dedicated to DB11. And the other line makes the Vanquish, Vantage etc. There may be a point where there is a gap in the second line (a hiatus between Vantage old and new). Will AML be tempted to squeeze in another 50 Vantages?
Of course the other possibility is that the DB11 Volante is expected to fill the gap between Vantage models
Which colour combination are you going for Rob ?
Adam : price is 100% definitely correct as per the figures others have quoted too
I'm not sure how important the dealer fit amr stuff is to these cats - as others have said, these are not like the gt8/12, although if gt8/12 had been launched when amr existed, they would have been launched as amr products
However they are where they are and these cars don't step in the toes of the gt cars too much because they don't have the wider track, the extreme aero or the weight savings
Gt12 roadster incidentally didn't have a rear wing
As I see it, the real attraction with these v12 cars are the manuals as gt12 was flappy only - 600ps, manual box,limited production, either body style
The other really great buy IMO is a manual v8 with very few extras it's such a small uplift over the standard car for so much spec. of course the v12s will be massively more desirable, but that comes at a price premium
As for is it the last vantage ? Well things change, for instance the last 20 slots that recently came up. However as things stand, the only my18 vantages that will be produced are these other than ultra extreme/ one offs I.e. Vantage amr pro at 750k and any complete one offs I.e. Wtdooms exciting sounding project
My best guess is that the slots came up thru cancelled orders, unexpected production capacity or additional engines (there is a limit). Nick broke the news - he may know more
I assume as others do there will be a run out vanquish but I know nothing about it. My best guess is either in the style of dbs ultimate, or perhaps an amr car (in both instances with no power increase) or just possibly, with the twin turbo v12 from db11. Bit again, unlike my info on amr vantage, that's idle speculation on my part with no actual knowledge
As for the suggestion in one of the threads today of a n/a V12 in new new vantage - I'd be staggered. They can easily get 600bhp+ out of the v8 Amg block so it simply wouldn't make any sense, unless down the road we are talking about an amr pro using say Vulcan engine
Sorry if I'm answering some questions from other threads in this one - having a well deserved beer after my drive down to Portsmouth so typing on my phone ! Next stop Le Mans !!!
Forgot to mention Adam. You mentioned about ordering 'in line' with my18 cars. What the doc pack was basically saying was that if you order the accessories now, they will arrive at the same time as my18 cars arrive. However categorically they are dealer fit. The factory would love to let you order with the car for factory fit, but they simply can't find a way round the regs. I suppose it's just possible a work around is found pre delivery, but right now the answer is a resounding no. That also means if you order the wheels or exhaust, you'll end up with spare originals taken off which you can sell or keep
I'm not sure how important the dealer fit amr stuff is to these cats - as others have said, these are not like the gt8/12, although if gt8/12 had been launched when amr existed, they would have been launched as amr products
However they are where they are and these cars don't step in the toes of the gt cars too much because they don't have the wider track, the extreme aero or the weight savings
Gt12 roadster incidentally didn't have a rear wing
As I see it, the real attraction with these v12 cars are the manuals as gt12 was flappy only - 600ps, manual box,limited production, either body style
The other really great buy IMO is a manual v8 with very few extras it's such a small uplift over the standard car for so much spec. of course the v12s will be massively more desirable, but that comes at a price premium
As for is it the last vantage ? Well things change, for instance the last 20 slots that recently came up. However as things stand, the only my18 vantages that will be produced are these other than ultra extreme/ one offs I.e. Vantage amr pro at 750k and any complete one offs I.e. Wtdooms exciting sounding project
My best guess is that the slots came up thru cancelled orders, unexpected production capacity or additional engines (there is a limit). Nick broke the news - he may know more
I assume as others do there will be a run out vanquish but I know nothing about it. My best guess is either in the style of dbs ultimate, or perhaps an amr car (in both instances with no power increase) or just possibly, with the twin turbo v12 from db11. Bit again, unlike my info on amr vantage, that's idle speculation on my part with no actual knowledge
As for the suggestion in one of the threads today of a n/a V12 in new new vantage - I'd be staggered. They can easily get 600bhp+ out of the v8 Amg block so it simply wouldn't make any sense, unless down the road we are talking about an amr pro using say Vulcan engine
Sorry if I'm answering some questions from other threads in this one - having a well deserved beer after my drive down to Portsmouth so typing on my phone ! Next stop Le Mans !!!
Forgot to mention Adam. You mentioned about ordering 'in line' with my18 cars. What the doc pack was basically saying was that if you order the accessories now, they will arrive at the same time as my18 cars arrive. However categorically they are dealer fit. The factory would love to let you order with the car for factory fit, but they simply can't find a way round the regs. I suppose it's just possible a work around is found pre delivery, but right now the answer is a resounding no. That also means if you order the wheels or exhaust, you'll end up with spare originals taken off which you can sell or keep
Edited by jonby on Wednesday 14th June 16:50
jonby said:
As for the suggestion in one of the threads today of a n/a V12 in new new vantage - I'd be staggered. They can easily get 600bhp+ out of the v8 Amg block so it simply wouldn't make any sense, unless down the road we are talking about an amr pro using say Vulcan engine
Yes but which would be more desirable. A 600bhp V8 turbo 
, or a 600bhp NA V12 
?V8 Vantage GT said:
jonby said:
As for the suggestion in one of the threads today of a n/a V12 in new new vantage - I'd be staggered. They can easily get 600bhp+ out of the v8 Amg block so it simply wouldn't make any sense, unless down the road we are talking about an amr pro using say Vulcan engine
Yes but which would be more desirable. A 600bhp V8 turbo , or a 600bhp NA V12 ?But we both know those days are coming to an end :-(
mafisher said:
My understanding is that the titanium exhaust is standard on the V12 version, as it forms part of the performance pack that produces the extra power. My question is what id the difference between the 595 bhp UK Europe version and the 580 bho version for the rest of the world.
Titanium exhaust is not standard. 
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Adam had said earlier:
My expectation from what I was told was that a AMR Vantage V12 with Aero, AMR Wheels etc... was going to cost £195-200k.
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As i've been in discussions with my dealer revthe AMR - (probably) sadly I'm second in the queue for a 12 with said dealer so unlikely to actually get one...but anyway in an idle few moments earlier I priced up a 'let's push the boat out' 12 with the latest info, as follows:
halo scheme
CF seats
Glass switches
Carbon door pulls (to complete the spec properly!)
Front parking
Couple of small other extras (mirror, fuel filler)
Performance pack - fitting is 10 hrs - was quoted 1,440
wheels
Aero pack - fitting cost tbc but likely in the range 5 hrs so lets say 720
12k of Q
OTR. ( now 4,050)
Discount highly unlikely
Bottom line for above is a shade over £213k...!
That's some food for thought.
Adam had said earlier:
My expectation from what I was told was that a AMR Vantage V12 with Aero, AMR Wheels etc... was going to cost £195-200k.
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As i've been in discussions with my dealer revthe AMR - (probably) sadly I'm second in the queue for a 12 with said dealer so unlikely to actually get one...but anyway in an idle few moments earlier I priced up a 'let's push the boat out' 12 with the latest info, as follows:
halo scheme
CF seats
Glass switches
Carbon door pulls (to complete the spec properly!)
Front parking
Couple of small other extras (mirror, fuel filler)
Performance pack - fitting is 10 hrs - was quoted 1,440
wheels
Aero pack - fitting cost tbc but likely in the range 5 hrs so lets say 720
12k of Q
OTR. ( now 4,050)
Discount highly unlikely
Bottom line for above is a shade over £213k...!
That's some food for thought.
Chamboy, it may be worth contacting AM Birmingham. Good luck!
I'm pretty sure you can't spec performance pack on the AMR, so that's saved you some money. Unless you were referring to the titanium exhaust? In which case, as you were!
Given you've gone with Aero, I assume the above spec is based on Coupe?
I'm pretty sure you can't spec performance pack on the AMR, so that's saved you some money. Unless you were referring to the titanium exhaust? In which case, as you were!
Given you've gone with Aero, I assume the above spec is based on Coupe?
AdamV8V said:
Chamboy, it may be worth contacting AM Birmingham. Good luck!
I'm pretty sure you can't spec performance pack on the AMR, so that's saved you some money. Unless you were referring to the titanium exhaust? In which case, as you were!
Given you've gone with Aero, I assume the above spec is based on Coupe?
AdamI'm pretty sure you can't spec performance pack on the AMR, so that's saved you some money. Unless you were referring to the titanium exhaust? In which case, as you were!
Given you've gone with Aero, I assume the above spec is based on Coupe?
Yes of course you're right re the exhaust and PP - that would save a few quid - but I omitted essential arbon mirrors and infills so the reduction on 'full fat' spec would be about £2k
Thanks for the tip re Brum - I'm actually not too fussed about getting an AMR as have just taken delivery of a lovely new Stratus White Manual with lightweights Pure black leather and Alcantara and much carbon...I had had sight of the launch material and really would only want white or Scintilla anyway - not a fan of green so no Halo for me! And the deal was a good one 😎
Seriously thinking about the PP having driven the factory Alloro SS 3 car last weekend - but maybe just the Ti exhaust and diffuser blade (my petrolhead wife tells me you can't have enough carbon on s V12S👍)
Pics to follow but don't want to hijack this thread..
I think you may also be double counting a bit with that £12k unallocated Q spend; presumably if you went down that route some of it would be on CF bits?
But your point still remains. It's easy to see how someone could get to a £200k car OTR
My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?
But your point still remains. It's easy to see how someone could get to a £200k car OTR
My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?
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