New Vantage?

[codieskid]

RichB said:

That's a significant improvement while still sticking to Aston's design philosophy.

Thanks. Also it still gives you room to go a bit crazy with paints and finishes if you want something a bit more bolder.









Trev

[JBaps]

Vantagefan said:

I can't fathom whose side many of you are on.
...

They're probably on their own "side".

Personally I'm not a slave to the brand and I have no obligation to support Aston, if I don't like what they're offering then I'm not going to fork out for it! If others love it then good luck to them and to Aston Martin.

It's a shame, I like much of what I see but the slapped on grill and surround is a deal breaker, perhaps it'll grow on me but I suspect it isn't going to age well.

[Wayne95]

RichB said:

codieskid said:

That's a significant improvement while still sticking to Aston's design philosophy.

Small detail but looks much better, and similar the GTE. Gives the after market guys something to work on (DA, BR are you watching )

Still needs a number plate though, it may not work so well squeezed in

[Beefmeister]

codieskid said:

Some possible options if they ever come out might be the Bentley EXP10 or the Maserati Alfieri but they might be more GT than sports car.

Interesting that all these cars have the massive grills but I do think the Aston mesh looks somewhat more cheap/halfords in it's finish effect.

The EXP10 has pretty much been made in the form of the new Conti GT:

[ajr550]

Still needs a number plate though, it may not work so well squeezed in
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[Minglar]

JBaps said:

They're probably on their own "side".

Personally I'm not a slave to the brand and I have no obligation to support Aston, if I don't like what they're offering then I'm not going to fork out for it! If others love it then good luck to them and to Aston Martin.

It's a shame, I like much of what I see but the slapped on grill and surround is a deal breaker, perhaps it'll grow on me but I suspect it isn't going to age well.

This. As much as I really want to like it, the grille really doesn’t do it for me at all. I know it’s been pointed out by a few others earlier in the thread but the irony regarding the number plate is quite amusing really. As an aside, I know AP has said that AM are committed to a manual box but can anyone actually figure out where the gear lever is going to fit? It looks to me like it’s been designed as an auto from the outset due to the engine and transmission combination. Are there any applications of the AMG engine using a manual gearbox? It has been suggested the seven speed dog leg manual might end up in there eventually but looking at the new target customer I really can’t see how it will happen. Imho the older customer base (me included) is not where this car is aimed. Still not seen the car in the metal though, and I really hope my mind will be changed when I do!

Best Regards

Minglar

Edited by Minglar on Friday 24th November 19:10

[wtdoom]

codieskid said:

Thanks. Also it still gives you room to go a bit crazy with paints and finishes if you want something a bit more bolder.









Trev

It's more useful if you put the lights back to how they should be imv

[David W.]

bananarob said:

codieskid said:

OK what about this, the legacy look. I've changed the front bumper completely, changing the profile of the protruding grill surround, revised the lights and changed the wheels. Surely Aston could offer a package like this to those customer s who want a less in your face version. I really feel this is more along the lines of what the base car should look like with the more aggressive front reserved for the S and V12 models



Thoughts?

Trev

Much better

What he ^ said.
Cant believe the new front will grow on me, no beauty in it though I suspect it will drive beautifully!
Edit to add this below, not a patch on the others on this page IMO, I’ll get my pipe and slippers.

Edited by David W. on Friday 24th November 19:57

[ace of the base]

wtdoom said:

The first line about making our v12s look both beautiful and dated all in one go is probably the line that resonates with me more than any other on this thread , spot on

With me too (although mine’s a V8V).
I think the new car looks brilliant and I’d love to have one but it also makes me even more fond of the one I’ve got now.

[cayman-black]

That green Bentley is far better looking imo .
The more i see the new Vantage the more it looks Japanese..

[Mr.Tremlini]

BamfordMike said:

The Black DB11 on page 36 of Autocar is stunning, a shade more contemporary than DB9 yet classic and understated, the Vantage on page 8 seems almost like a car from a different car company, but that differentiation might well work out for them?

Clearly I’m a confirmed petrolhead, but, the stats of performance and range reported of the Tesla Roadster has completely blown me away, so much so that if I was still an ICE design and development engineer I would be left struggling how to better those numbers with petrol which complies with latest emissions regs - you can’t help be in awe of the game changing tech to come??!!
The inevitability of electrification falls at a very inconvenient time for the ‘second century’ plan meaning they really had better sell as many DB11 and Vantage as the production line can make between now and then, which relates to the styling and the inevitability of the loss of sales from waving bye-bye to the gentleman buyer types who the looks of this Vantage might not suit anymore. Nonetheless, I hope it works out but one can’t help being a bit dismayed and question the overall strategy - not even 12 months into DB11 V12 production car mags are reporting the V8 DB11 is the WAY better car and they make those comments aided by the factory’s own handling chief engineer, so whilst you won’t slag their product they manage to do that themselves which is very odd because who would buy a V12 DB11 now? And it’s a bit odd the raft of AMR and Q cars with albeit tarted up classic styling would arguably be the car of choice if side-by-side this new Vantage in the showroom? I didn’t expect the second century plan to have a single in the armour, it appears riddled to me and I’m amazed and dismayed, but that thought is a world away from slagging off.

Hey Mike. Indeed what Tesla have done is an amazing achievement and I am sure many other manufacturers will be pumping out similar go-fast electric goodies in ten years from now, but for an analogue dinosaur like myself that recipe is personally not one I wish to bake with when buying, driving or desiring a sports car. All fine and good with a DD but electric does not speak to me despite it`s impressive numbers and acceleration, that will no doubt see the occasional theoretical physicist wrapped around a lamp post. Happily, worrying about ICE design and emission regs is not something I need concern myself about.

While I do not profess an in-depth knowledge of the car industry, the numbers game is the big seller of the majority of cars these days it seems to me... be it economy, or 0-100km/h, or Nurburgring lap times, this would appear to forge many buying decisions. I dont give a rat`s arse about economy, I buy the car I like, putting fuel in it is a gimme. When a new tail light for a Vantage runs out at nearly 2000€ any rational reason for buying a car like this has been thrown completely out the window, and when sundry hot hatches and German 4x4`s would leave me for dead in a 0-100km/h duel that is somewhat irrelevant as well. I think there are plenty out there that buy top marques simply because they can afford to, and others who long for these vehicles and eventually realise a dream, and some who just like the way a vehicle looks. The gentleman driver is often also the well heeled driver, and if he finds the latest Vantage too vulgar to park outside the country club in Lime Essence, he could always opt for Divine Red and show an edginess that co-ordinates with his trousers.

I too find it peculiar that the DB11 v12/v8 debate seems to fall mostly on the side of the v8. Bodes well for the Vantage as it currently seems to be stocked with the weapon of choice, but will this see a phasing out of the v12 completely over time, hell of a shame for a company that has built so much upon its 12 pots if it does, and this never seemed to be an issue until turbo charging got involved, not that I know what that means, just throwing it out there...

Edited by Mr.Tremlini on Friday 24th November 21:04

Edited by Mr.Tremlini on Friday 24th November 21:06

[quench]

cayman-black said:

The more i see the new Vantage the more it looks Japanese..

Ouch! Right on the mark, but the ultimate insult IMO.

[JohnG1]

Has anyone on here driven it yet?

If not, when is that expected to happen?

[Guycord]

BamfordMike said:

Clearly I’m a confirmed petrolhead, but, the stats of performance and range reported of the Tesla Roadster has completely blown me away, so much so that if I was still an ICE design and development engineer I would be left struggling how to better those numbers with petrol which complies with latest emissions regs - you can’t help be in awe of the game changing tech to come??!!

I think it’s going to be a hoot with everybody in the business setting themselves over solving the range/battery problem in the not too distant future.

However, I’d like to hear from anyone who knows how we’re going to overcome the rare earth problem with all these motors we’re going to be stamping out to drive our cars and homes?

.......because if we can’t........the words “traction” and “engine” come to mind if we want an alternative other than in-vehicle energy generation (combustion).

[Ex Boy Racer]

Vantagefan said:

I can't fathom whose side many of you are on.

When the company was struggling people moaned
When the company made slight amends to a model to make a special edition to keep the fan base happy, people moaned
The company brings in models that appeal to a wider audience, more moaning
The company changes its styling in light of criticism that everything looks the same, more moaning
The company partners with one of the best engine manufacturers in the world, more moaning
The company ditches N/A engines like everyone else to offer greater power and efficiency, moaning
The company gets criticised for having an ageing line-up so promises a new car every year, moans ensue
The company is now at record profit levels, still moaning

AML does all of this while still being an independent, BRITISH manufacturer something which would cause even more moaning if that ever stopped.

What will it take to make you happy?

The most gifted of [the Proletariate], who might possibly become a nuclei of discontent, are simply marked down by the Thought Police and eliminated.

[Minglar]

Just found this. Quite interesting to hear what MR says. If only it had gone in to production. As was mentioned earlier. Blame Sam Mendes!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8uScC566rI

Best Regards

Minglar

[RichB]

Guycord said:

BamfordMike said:

Clearly I’m a confirmed petrolhead, but, the stats of performance and range reported of the Tesla Roadster has completely blown me away, so much so that if I was still an ICE design and development engineer I would be left struggling how to better those numbers with petrol which complies with latest emissions regs - you can’t help be in awe of the game changing tech to come??!!

I think it’s going to be a hoot with everybody in the business setting themselves over solving the range/battery problem in the not too distant future. However, I’d like to hear from anyone who knows how we’re going to overcome the rare earth problem with all these motors we’re going to be stamping out to drive our cars and homes? .......because if we can’t........the words “traction” and “engine” ome to mind if we want an alternative other than in-vehicle energy generation (combustion).

I don't what the "rare earth" problem is nor quite what you mean by "traction and engine" however the suggestion from Tesla that their roadster will out accelerate an F1 car to 100 mph seems incredible. I will look on with interest to see how they will get traction from the tyres to achieve that with a car presumably weighing over a ton and a half. Has the Tesla actually achieved that or is it Elon Musk hype...

[codieskid]

A lot of people have been asking to see what the new Vantage looks like with a number plate, so here you go



Trev

Edited by codieskid on Friday 24th November 21:52

[MattV12V]

Quite interesting seeing the feedback here - I like it in general except the front like many others it seems! Don’t you think though that even though the model has to make a lot of impact on launch, there must be an element of ‘blank canvas’ in the design - something held back that can be developed during the lifetime of the model to try and differentiate future versions of basically the same thing. Think how much better (imo) the V12V looked compared to the original release model of the V8V. If this model evolves to that degree then I’m optimistic!

[axarunner]

codieskid said:

OK what about this, the legacy look. I've changed the front bumper completely, changing the profile of the protruding grill surround, revised the lights and changed the wheels. Surely Aston could offer a package like this to those customer s who want a less in your face version. I really feel this is more along the lines of what the base car should look like with the more aggressive front reserved for the S and V12 models



Thoughts?

Trev

Every modification that you have proposed is a vast improvement over the current design. I'm stupefied and disappointed in the current "face" of the new Vantage. I've seen it in the "flesh" and came away dismayed. Perhaps in two years when the manual is finally available it will have been modified accordingly. In the meantime, having driven a 911 on loan during the Thanksgiving day holiday, I'm weighing my options.