Discussion
RobDown said:
I think it’s a market thing; elsewhere on PH you’ll find a guy who’s got £35k off a Lamborghini Huracan Performante and people being offered big discounts on McLarens (and don’t even think about trying to sell one back to a dealer).
Just feels like the market for cars is very soft at the moment so I’m sure there are good deals to be had
Agreed. Seems a return to normality in the sports/super car market.Just feels like the market for cars is very soft at the moment so I’m sure there are good deals to be had
garyhun said:
RobDown said:
I think it’s a market thing; elsewhere on PH you’ll find a guy who’s got £35k off a Lamborghini Huracan Performante and people being offered big discounts on McLarens (and don’t even think about trying to sell one back to a dealer).
Just feels like the market for cars is very soft at the moment so I’m sure there are good deals to be had
Agreed. Seems a return to normality in the sports/super car market.Just feels like the market for cars is very soft at the moment so I’m sure there are good deals to be had
NFC 85 Vette said:
Not that there's much interest, but I saw earlier that a 5 year servicing plan and a 5 year warranty was being offered on UK orders between 1st and 31st of December.
Aston’s response to some of the quality concerns floating around?Easy give away I would think, most niggles sorted in the first 6 months, then most other issues sorted in the 3 years standard. Not many keeping for 5 years I suspect , and would be back in the dealer network by then too
Wayne95 said:
Aston’s response to some of the quality concerns floating around?
Easy give away I would think, most niggles sorted in the first 6 months, then most other issues sorted in the 3 years standard. Not many keeping for 5 years I suspect , and would be back in the dealer network by then too
I don't believe that's the case; the 2nd century cars are really quite well put together. Of course we only ever hear the horror stories, but for the most part, quality control has become one of Aston's strengths rather than a weakness. Easy give away I would think, most niggles sorted in the first 6 months, then most other issues sorted in the 3 years standard. Not many keeping for 5 years I suspect , and would be back in the dealer network by then too
If offering a good warranty and servicing package is symptomatic of guarding against poor quality control, should more be made of Ferrari's 7 year servicing plan and power warranty?
I'd agree that as an ownership prospect, the landscape has somewhat changed - those new to the marque might run a Vantage for 18 months or so and move on elsewhere. Existing Aston owners tend to keep hold of their cars a little longer, and there's very little appetite among the PH members who own a VH Vantage, to migrate over to a new one.
NFC 85 Vette said:
I don't believe that's the case; the 2nd century cars are really quite well put together. Of course we only ever hear the horror stories, but for the most part, quality control has become one of Aston's strengths rather than a weakness.
If offering a good warranty and servicing package is symptomatic of guarding against poor quality control, should more be made of Ferrari's 7 year servicing plan and power warranty?
I'd agree that as an ownership prospect, the landscape has somewhat changed - those new to the marque might run a Vantage for 18 months or so and move on elsewhere. Existing Aston owners tend to keep hold of their cars a little longer, and there's very little appetite among the PH members who own a VH Vantage, to migrate over to a new one.
That's my point really, Aston can give the extra years because the cars are well built with low warranty exposure, but gives those new to the brand who worry about the "reported" high costs of repair peace of mind. If offering a good warranty and servicing package is symptomatic of guarding against poor quality control, should more be made of Ferrari's 7 year servicing plan and power warranty?
I'd agree that as an ownership prospect, the landscape has somewhat changed - those new to the marque might run a Vantage for 18 months or so and move on elsewhere. Existing Aston owners tend to keep hold of their cars a little longer, and there's very little appetite among the PH members who own a VH Vantage, to migrate over to a new one.
Should help 3 year re-sale values too
ExitLeft said:
Another NY dealer has similar offers, and quite a stock list...
In the UK most new AMs I think, tend to be customer specific orders, probably because we like to choose the specification of our new cars.
There are some dealer stock orders (some of these occasionally become last day of the month first registrations, to meet targets), and at times AML apparently push extra stock on to the dealers. It was mentioned that this is what happened with the V8 AMR model.
Someone here suggested the German market might be different, whereby dealers often choose the spec. then offer the cars for sale when in the showroom.
What happens in this respect, in the USA?
Your list of 16 new Vantages for sale at one dealer does seem a lot, so I just wondered how it works in the U.S.
If customers are selective, then the stock spec. might not match what a customer wants, even if the exterior colour happens to be right.
Jon39 said:
In the UK most new AMs I think, tend to be customer specific orders, probably because we like to choose the specification of our new cars.
There are some dealer stock orders (some of these occasionally become last day of the month first registrations, to meet targets), and at times AML apparently push extra stock on to the dealers. It was mentioned that this is what happened with the V8 AMR model.
Someone here suggested the German market might be different, whereby dealers often choose the spec. then offer the cars for sale when in the showroom.
What happens in this respect, in the USA?
Your list of 16 new Vantages for sale at one dealer does seem a lot, so I just wondered how it works in the U.S.
If customers are selective, then the stock spec. might not match what a customer wants, even if the exterior colour happens to be right.
Here in USA there are 175 new Vantages on cars.com and seem to be stacking up. 9mo after launch this may be concerning to AM and that's why the lease promo. The first few months sales are "easy" as it's the low hanging fruit who got to have it....I was told by an AM rep customer orders are down and it's more inventory sales which is different than historical trend. I hope AM corporate realizes they made a design mistake (front end & interior) relative to what most AM customers want (50% like it, 50% don't). I think if they go with a DBS, V600 style front it will really change the enthusiasm. My final "free advise" is the reduce the price to $135K from $150K and make duel exhaust, sport seats and prem audio standard to make it more competitive value. Most cars list for $175-200K which is a stretch. The financials will tell the story in the end as to what AM does...I wish AM luck and I want them to be successful...
They sell cars differently in the US though don’t they? I seem to remember that a customer very rarely orders from the factory, most dealerships spec up and order huge numbers of cars. When I go past the big dealerships in Miami they have massive multi storey car parks full of brand new specced cars.
TheEnigma said:
Here in USA there are 175 new Vantages on cars.com and seem to be stacking up. 9mo after launch this may be concerning to AM and that's why the lease promo. The first few months sales are "easy" as it's the low hanging fruit who got to have it....I was told by an AM rep customer orders are down and it's more inventory sales which is different than historical trend. I hope AM corporate realizes they made a design mistake (front end & interior) relative to what most AM customers want (50% like it, 50% don't). I think if they go with a DBS, V600 style front it will really change the enthusiasm. My final "free advise" is the reduce the price to $135K from $150K and make duel exhaust, sport seats and prem audio standard to make it more competitive value. Most cars list for $175-200K which is a stretch. The financials will tell the story in the end as to what AM does...I wish AM luck and I want them to be successful...
I agree they made a HUGE design mistake along with a ridiculous price increase. You may be ripped to shreds on here for your opinion. Many of us who aren't fans of the new Vantage and voiced our opinions were deemed trolls and worse by veteran members.
The new Vantage makes me feel sad
for the brand, I want to see them successful as well. AstonV said:
TheEnigma said:
Here in USA there are 175 new Vantages on cars.com and seem to be stacking up. 9mo after launch this may be concerning to AM and that's why the lease promo. The first few months sales are "easy" as it's the low hanging fruit who got to have it....I was told by an AM rep customer orders are down and it's more inventory sales which is different than historical trend. I hope AM corporate realizes they made a design mistake (front end & interior) relative to what most AM customers want (50% like it, 50% don't). I think if they go with a DBS, V600 style front it will really change the enthusiasm. My final "free advise" is the reduce the price to $135K from $150K and make duel exhaust, sport seats and prem audio standard to make it more competitive value. Most cars list for $175-200K which is a stretch. The financials will tell the story in the end as to what AM does...I wish AM luck and I want them to be successful...
I agree they made a HUGE design mistake along with a ridiculous price increase. You may be ripped to shreds on here for your opinion. Many of us who aren't fans of the new Vantage and voiced our opinions were deemed trolls and worse by veteran members.
The new Vantage makes me feel sad
for the brand, I want to see them successful as well. Can I have some of what he’s smoking please?
AstonV said:
... Many of us who aren't fans of the new Vantage and voiced our opinions were deemed trolls and worse by veteran members...
I thought it was the veteran members who didn't like the front end and it was the newer members who called us trolls 
Anyway, I think Reichman's obsession with sharks (also look at the DB10) was allowed to go too far and the unconventional front end treatment will be this car's Achilles's heel. Just look at the positive comments about the DBS
RichB said:
AstonV said:
... Many of us who aren't fans of the new Vantage and voiced our opinions were deemed trolls and worse by veteran members...
I thought it was the veteran members who didn't like the front end and it was the newer members who called us trolls Anyway, I think Reichman's obsession with sharks (also look at the DB10) was allowed to go too far and the unconventional front end treatment will be this car's Achilles's heel. Just look at the positive comments about the DBS
Both the Vantage and DBSS/V600 have moved away from the traditional front end we have become accustomed to, but at least the Vantage is something different to what has come before, Vulcan aside. The DBSS and V600 look like bad caricatures of an elegant past.
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