Discussion
FrankieMac said:
Christ...managed to rattle your cage a bit! Calm down dear and take a chill pill! I wasn't the first to mention "rude" BTW!
You have your view, I have mine. Move on.
Perfectly calm here, no cage rattled. You have your view, I have mine. Move on.
Rudeness can be ignored, but where you accused folk of stating something “silly or stupid” - your own words, I explicitly wanted to know what that is / was or take the comment back??!! That isn’t something to have a difference of opinion over and move on, you’ve made an allegation, so back it up!!
We can share different views on the cars looks and move on, success, we’ve done that because there is no right or wrong answer and the debate stops there. But on the previous page you shot AstonV down in rather a rude way (even though you appear not to like rudeness) and I’ve given you a tangible reason why his word of caution has merit and exposes your carefree approach to those who dont want to be a test pilot buying a model launch car. Again, your own words in reply to AstonV now shown to be unrealistic and it’s not a subject to have difference of opinion over to move on from like a cars looks, it’s an evolving debate where you need to back up your bullish comments in reply to AstonV - I can play toptrumps with you and bring out classic Vanquish, V8, DB9 hiccups at launch if you are still unsure, either that debate or now admit instead of shooting AstonV down in flames like you did, his comments do have merit.
ChilliWhizz said:
Anyone know when the journo's are getting their hands on one? I'd like to hear Chris Harris's opinion after he's given one a good ragging
Roll on next Tuesday at Duxford
Right i cant wait to see Harris thrash it round and round a race track wearing out its tyres, fk am i bored with that st.Roll on next Tuesday at Duxford
Sorry Chilli.
cayman-black said:
Right i cant wait to see Harris thrash it round and round a race track wearing out its tyres, fk am i bored with that st.
Sorry Chilli.
No I agree the sideways circuit stuff is a bit naff, but he has done some fairly objective road test pieces with various exotica, which is what I’d like to see and hear his opinion on how it compares to its ‘rivals’ Sorry Chilli.
NFC 85 Vette said:
I don't see the DB11 getting spoken about much ...
Subsequently it's rare to see threads pop up about collections / deliveries
of new ones, when we know it's selling very well.
Subsequently it's rare to see threads pop up about collections / deliveries
of new ones, when we know it's selling very well.
My guess is that many PH people here own Vantages, but relatively few the DB11. Having the feeling of connection to the successor model, probably also means more comment.
The DB11 is in the first phase of model life, and therefore I suppose, some buyers might be in the group who buy the 'latest new car', and maybe don't intend to keep it very long. I am only surmising, but perhaps many within that group also don't really have a great 'passion' for cars, and therefore would not be on any internet motoring forums.
On the point of selling well. I remember at the DB11 launch, being told orders had been received for two years production.
Do you have access to the total DB11 sales figures?
For the UK only, perhaps surprisingly, the sales are fewer than those of the DB9 in its early phase.
(Four quarters for DB11, and ignoring the first two quarters of DB9, because the brand new factory was not running fully.)
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 18th January 17:23
BamfordMike said:
Perfectly calm here, no cage rattled.
Rudeness can be ignored, but where you accused folk of stating something “silly or stupid” - your own words, I explicitly wanted to know what that is / was or take the comment back??!! That isn’t something to have a difference of opinion over and move on, you’ve made an allegation, so back it up!!
We can share different views on the cars looks and move on, success, we’ve done that because there is no right or wrong answer and the debate stops there. But on the previous page you shot AstonV down in rather a rude way (even though you appear not to like rudeness) and I’ve given you a tangible reason why his word of caution has merit and exposes your carefree approach to those who dont want to be a test pilot buying a model launch car. Again, your own words in reply to AstonV now shown to be unrealistic and it’s not a subject to have difference of opinion over to move on from like a cars looks, it’s an evolving debate where you need to back up your bullish comments in reply to AstonV - I can play toptrumps with you and bring out classic Vanquish, V8, DB9 hiccups at launch if you are still unsure, either that debate or now admit instead of shooting AstonV down in flames like you did, his comments do have merit.
Why do you want to know explicitly what it is? What's the real beef? If you care to look back over the pages on this thread you will find there are a lot of silly and stupid comments made. They are obvious if you care to look. I'm not here to regurgitate them for you. Rudeness can be ignored, but where you accused folk of stating something “silly or stupid” - your own words, I explicitly wanted to know what that is / was or take the comment back??!! That isn’t something to have a difference of opinion over and move on, you’ve made an allegation, so back it up!!
We can share different views on the cars looks and move on, success, we’ve done that because there is no right or wrong answer and the debate stops there. But on the previous page you shot AstonV down in rather a rude way (even though you appear not to like rudeness) and I’ve given you a tangible reason why his word of caution has merit and exposes your carefree approach to those who dont want to be a test pilot buying a model launch car. Again, your own words in reply to AstonV now shown to be unrealistic and it’s not a subject to have difference of opinion over to move on from like a cars looks, it’s an evolving debate where you need to back up your bullish comments in reply to AstonV - I can play toptrumps with you and bring out classic Vanquish, V8, DB9 hiccups at launch if you are still unsure, either that debate or now admit instead of shooting AstonV down in flames like you did, his comments do have merit.
I don't agree that I was rude or shot down AstonV down. I merely posted that in my opinion if none of us bought and drove model launch cars the world would be a dull and rather sensible place. How would manufacturers sell their first edition cars? I took (perhaps wrongly) AstonV's view point was he would "avoid them like the plague" as he knows best and those that buy the first launch cars are actually quite stupid to do so. Now that may or may not be what the context was meant to be but hey ho.
It is clear you have a bee in your bonnet about what I posted. That's fine. I really haven't the time nor the inclination to answer to you...or to play a silly game of "Top Trumps", please!
Jon39 said:
My guess is that many PH people here own Vantages, but relatively few the DB11. Having the feeling of connection to the successor model, probably also means more comment.
The DB11 is in the first phase of model life, and therefore I suppose, some buyers might be in the group who buy the 'latest new car', and maybe don't intend to keep it very long. I am only surmising, but perhaps many within that group also don't really have a great 'passion' for cars, therefore not on this forum.
On the point of selling well. I remember at the DB11 launch, being told orders had been received for two years production.
Do you have access to the total DB11 sales figures?
For the UK only, perhaps surprisingly, the sales are less than those of the DB9 in its early phase.
(Four quarters for DB11, and ignoring the first two quarters of DB9, because the brand new factory was not running fully.)
I've not seen specific sales numbers, but from conversations with dealerships, although it received a luke warm reception initially, there'd been strong sales since, so figured it had been doing well. The V8 DB11 in particular had been getting interest in the UK, more than some had been expecting (while aimed at foreign markets partly, it's apparently been well received in Blighty).
Back when the Vantage confidentials were taking place (October for me), the tour I had of the assembly line was jam packed with DB11 builds (including one lairy look Flugplatz coupe). Again though, no numbers to hand unfortunately.
NFC 85 Vette said:
Again though, no numbers to hand unfortunately.
Thanks.
If you are interested to see the UK numbers, Jon, they are on another topic.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Jon39 said:
Thanks.
If you are interested to see the UK numbers, Jon, they are on another topic.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I suppose the worry is the new Vantage will follow a similar path; it's expected to shift the most units, but it hasn't got the universal appreciation the outgoing car had. We'll have to revisit this thread in 12 months and see how it panned out
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th January 18:14
RobDown said:
HBradley said:
You certainly aren’t alone sir!
As a wise man said to me today, those that like the car say it once, those who don’t go on & on & on & ............!!!!
Those were indeed wise words. It's almost likes those who don't like the car feel the need to seek confirmation bias by constantly posting how much they don't like it and seeking support for their view.As a wise man said to me today, those that like the car say it once, those who don’t go on & on & on & ............!!!!
I appreciate it's the nature of an Internet forum, but I'd live to think this section is more civilised than other parts of PH. There are those on here who like these new Vantages and are buying one. Constantly telling them you don't like their choice is beginning to border on rude
This thread started out as the thread where people discussed whether or not they like it, and why. It still is. And it's still civilized around here. Mostly.
Edited by Speedraser on Saturday 20th January 22:10
Had a really good look around the New Vantage at NP yesterday.
Its stunning - was like a lot of people who have seen the pictures was not sure about the front end. In the flesh its very strong and striking handsome car in a more chiselled way. ( sadly I was not looking in the mirror)
What did strike me was the rear - lots of angles and sweeps - rather than sweeping as such to my eye. Still stunning. a Kirk Douglas Spartacus look.
I would be pleased to own one.
Its stunning - was like a lot of people who have seen the pictures was not sure about the front end. In the flesh its very strong and striking handsome car in a more chiselled way. ( sadly I was not looking in the mirror)
What did strike me was the rear - lots of angles and sweeps - rather than sweeping as such to my eye. Still stunning. a Kirk Douglas Spartacus look.
I would be pleased to own one.
I too had a good look around it at Works yesterday, and for me personally...........i'm out.
I agree that the front looks far better in the flesh than any pictures I've seen, so that was a nice surprise, but the car in general didn't make me feel anything at all. I was sorely disappointed once the bonnet went up, just acres of matt black plastic, nothing of the old guard left at all, which I really think is a shame
The back looks good for sure, but from the side on profile I just cannot get F Type out of my head (hey all, this is an opinion not me wishing to start an argument ). Somebody else I spoke to whilst there commented that the headlights look like an MX5. Whether you agree with that or not is personal I guess, but the fact somebody said it at all is a bit off putting.
I also found the interior to be a bit too busy too, but I guess all those gadgets need controlling too so what's the alternative really.
I'm sure it'll be amazing to drive and I look forward to doing that, but as it stands today I wouldn't buy one. When I walked outside there were a good few "old" Vantages parked up, both V8 and V12, and to me they're still a far more visually appealing option.
Fair play to anyone that has ordered one I'm sure it'll be an amazing machine. It's quite possible the looks will grow on me and I suspect that the Roadster will appeal to me much more.
Seeing the new car in the flesh has seriously reinforced my opinion that I need to get into a V12R ASAP.........the dilemma now will be whether that's a 6 or 7 speed. As I've mentioned before, I like the bolder colours, so Orange, Blue, MFW etc etc (no grey, silver or black).........., so if anyone happens to know of anything like that languishing in a UK showroom then please feel free to PM me.
I agree that the front looks far better in the flesh than any pictures I've seen, so that was a nice surprise, but the car in general didn't make me feel anything at all. I was sorely disappointed once the bonnet went up, just acres of matt black plastic, nothing of the old guard left at all, which I really think is a shame
The back looks good for sure, but from the side on profile I just cannot get F Type out of my head (hey all, this is an opinion not me wishing to start an argument ). Somebody else I spoke to whilst there commented that the headlights look like an MX5. Whether you agree with that or not is personal I guess, but the fact somebody said it at all is a bit off putting.
I also found the interior to be a bit too busy too, but I guess all those gadgets need controlling too so what's the alternative really.
I'm sure it'll be amazing to drive and I look forward to doing that, but as it stands today I wouldn't buy one. When I walked outside there were a good few "old" Vantages parked up, both V8 and V12, and to me they're still a far more visually appealing option.
Fair play to anyone that has ordered one I'm sure it'll be an amazing machine. It's quite possible the looks will grow on me and I suspect that the Roadster will appeal to me much more.
Seeing the new car in the flesh has seriously reinforced my opinion that I need to get into a V12R ASAP.........the dilemma now will be whether that's a 6 or 7 speed. As I've mentioned before, I like the bolder colours, so Orange, Blue, MFW etc etc (no grey, silver or black).........., so if anyone happens to know of anything like that languishing in a UK showroom then please feel free to PM me.
FrankieMac said:
Jeez welcome to dullsville sensible town USA! Can you tell me what Aston need to sort out exactly in the first year or two? Given both the engine and electrics have been around in AMG Mercedes for a number of years?
Maybe crap like this Frankie.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astonmartin-rec...
AstonV said:
Okay, okay Andy, I have to give you that one! How opportune it come out today. I agree that there can and are often problems with new models but I’m going to take the risk...wish me luck! I just thought with the Merc tech they might be diminished...perhaps not!!
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