V8 Twin turbo DB11
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I can see the appeal of the V8 to be honest. I'm sure it'll cruise along quite happily which is what 99% of buyers will do with it, you buy a Vantage if you want to rag the arse out of it.
There's clearly a solid market for the baby engine, just look at the Bentley Conti V8S v W12......I'd take the V8S all day long.
There's clearly a solid market for the baby engine, just look at the Bentley Conti V8S v W12......I'd take the V8S all day long.
George29 said:
RobDown said:
Yes, new Vantage is going to be able to shift assuming they give it the same 500hp
Would make a C63S with the same power / pretty much the same engine look good value thoughSurely more relevant are these base, list prices taken from the Merc website today which exclude OTR charges. They all have variations of the same V8 4.0 engine as in DB11 V8 and C63S
AMG GT (476hp) £97k
AMG GT S (522 hp) £110k
AMG GT R (585hp) £140k
Big Ry said:
I can see the appeal of the V8 to be honest. I'm sure it'll cruise along quite happily which is what 99% of buyers will do with it, you buy a Vantage if you want to rag the arse out of it.
There's clearly a solid market for the baby engine, just look at the Bentley Conti V8S v W12......I'd take the V8S all day long.
Initially I was sceptical but I'm happy to have been proved wrong. The DB11 V8 does make eminent sense to serve a particular market segment & also to make it attractive to Chinese buyers etc. There's clearly a solid market for the baby engine, just look at the Bentley Conti V8S v W12......I'd take the V8S all day long.
What is also does is give a further indication that the new Vantage is likely be a very 'sharp' driving weapon! A very mouth-watering prospect - as long as you can get your head round the turbo charging thing - which I most definitely can!
Beefmeister said:
The real comparison will be with the AMG GTS. Same engine, same tune, likely to be a similar price to the new Vantage too at £113k.
Both GT/sports cars, 2 seaters, same engine etc. But the key could be that the Vantage might be offered with a manual gearbox...
Regardless of manual box options, if there is an Aston 2 seat sports car with similar price, power & performance to a mass produced Merc/AMG, Aston have a winner on their handsBoth GT/sports cars, 2 seaters, same engine etc. But the key could be that the Vantage might be offered with a manual gearbox...
Normally you either have to accept a performance deficit or a price premium to have an equivalent Aston. They have never competed on a VFM basis. If they do as you outline above, it will sell like hotcakes. Aston prestige & looks, with competitive price/performance - that will be a serious achievement
jonby said:
George29 said:
RobDown said:
Yes, new Vantage is going to be able to shift assuming they give it the same 500hp
Would make a C63S with the same power / pretty much the same engine look good value thoughSurely more relevant are these base, list prices taken from the Merc website today which exclude OTR charges. They all have variations of the same V8 4.0 engine as in DB11 V8 and C63S
AMG GT (476hp) £97k
AMG GT S (522 hp) £110k
AMG GT R (585hp) £140k
You also have to question where the huge premium for the lower powered AMG GT comes from? Interesting they sell the E63S (which will also come in coupe form) with more power than even the GTR for less money too. Does kind of lose the special feel to the engine knowing it's used so much, that said it is a good engine and it does sound pretty good for a turbo
George29 said:
It's a 2 door coupe with the same drivetrain for £50k less than I'd expect the Vantage to be. Not suggesting it's a direct rival as obviously there is more to the Aston than just the engine being the same, but on paper they are surprisingly similar.
You mean you think vantage will come out at £50k more than the equivalent AMG GT ? That would incidentally also mean vantage coming out as more expensive than a similarly powered DB11. Really ?jonby said:
George29 said:
It's a 2 door coupe with the same drivetrain for £50k less than I'd expect the Vantage to be. Not suggesting it's a direct rival as obviously there is more to the Aston than just the engine being the same, but on paper they are surprisingly similar.
You mean you think vantage will come out at £50k more than the equivalent AMG GT ? That would incidentally also mean vantage coming out as more expensive than a similarly powered DB11. Really ?SFO said:
Jon39 said:
Why would AM change the Mercedes dry sump engine, to an everyday wet sump?
the hot V V8 AMG engine is only dry sump in the AMG GT .. wet sump in all other AMG cars.perhaps AM went for the lower cost wet sump version?
does seem odd.
jonby said:
You mean you think vantage will come out at £50k more than the equivalent AMG GT ? That would incidentally also mean vantage coming out as more expensive than a similarly powered DB11. Really ?
No I think the Vantage will be about £50k more than a C63S. I'd estimate around £120kfuelracer496 said:
Something around the £130k mark for the new Vantage AFAIK, not sure about the 'S' variant (perhaps another £5-10k extra).
Both the same power? Or are they using the same two power levels from the AMG GT?Actually, it's worth pointing out that the refreshed AMG GT-S has 522hp.
George29 said:
jonby said:
You mean you think vantage will come out at £50k more than the equivalent AMG GT ? That would incidentally also mean vantage coming out as more expensive than a similarly powered DB11. Really ?
No I think the Vantage will be about £50k more than a C63S. I'd estimate around £120kAgain, if Merc can charge that kind of premium over the C63S for something within their own stable, doesn't seem unreasonable that an Aston badged product can do it too
jonby said:
Right, so basically a not unsimilar price to an equivalent AMG GT S
Again, if Merc can charge that kind of premium over the C63S for something within their own stable, doesn't seem unreasonable that an Aston badged product can do it too
I never said it wasn't unreasonable. If you read what I put you'll see I said it makes the C63S with same engine / power / more torque look good value. Which at £50k less I think it kind of does. Again, if Merc can charge that kind of premium over the C63S for something within their own stable, doesn't seem unreasonable that an Aston badged product can do it too
I wonder what percentage of Aston Martin buyers actually give a stuff about what engine is under the bonnet?
Of course most of us do on here, along with passionate discussions about 'my gearbox is better than yours', and how much Q charge for a hologram of Andy Palmer on your petrol cap.
Would be interested to see some statistics re the engines.
Personally, I really don't like the DB11, but I'm still going to have a go in one next month. One with a V12, not some V8 thing.
Of course most of us do on here, along with passionate discussions about 'my gearbox is better than yours', and how much Q charge for a hologram of Andy Palmer on your petrol cap.
Would be interested to see some statistics re the engines.
Personally, I really don't like the DB11, but I'm still going to have a go in one next month. One with a V12, not some V8 thing.
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