Only gone and bought a Vantage!
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macdeb said:
Cheers, I didn't even get that paperwork of which I've been asking for.
I just stole that off another thread. 
My dealer did also seem a little 'shy' on paperwork, a stamped up service book and a valid MOT appears to be all you can expect, a little disappointing when your P&J of the last x many years has a ringbinder full off paperwork for everything you've ever spent.
I have since pieced together a few bits of 'history' but I'm still trying to swallow the fact one indy wants £60 for 4 pieces of paper. :ekk:
Hi Raceboy,
Of course thats my personal experience of Timeless and there are some good dealers out there.
I suppose its quite an easy option just to detail a used car for sale, and change the tyres.
If they just spent half a day with the car driving around and testing everything, maybe events such as this wouldn't happen, any niggles simply wouldn't be there, and would save the new owner from huge disappointed when they have to return the car for remedial work post sale.
Of course thats my personal experience of Timeless and there are some good dealers out there.
I suppose its quite an easy option just to detail a used car for sale, and change the tyres.
If they just spent half a day with the car driving around and testing everything, maybe events such as this wouldn't happen, any niggles simply wouldn't be there, and would save the new owner from huge disappointed when they have to return the car for remedial work post sale.
Very true, mine had such silly things as the doors not locking, you press the alarm fob, you see flashing orange lights, hear a 'thunk' you think it's locked, but it's only my OCDness of checking a locked door 4 times before going to bed that highlighted it wasn't actually locked.
I half expect these things, but hopefully nothing massively mechanical, but if so it's then how well it's all handled that is the true test, I dropped my car off with the expectation of it being a 'while you wait' it wasn't and a Merc was lent to be straight away, there and then till it was sorted, a DB11 would have been nicer but it got me home and it went back the next day.
I half expect these things, but hopefully nothing massively mechanical, but if so it's then how well it's all handled that is the true test, I dropped my car off with the expectation of it being a 'while you wait' it wasn't and a Merc was lent to be straight away, there and then till it was sorted, a DB11 would have been nicer but it got me home and it went back the next day.
James Alexander said:
This is really quite shocking.
I'm quite cynical of the 'Timeless' programme - I've come to the conclusion that apart from the obvious consumables which might need changing, they simply put 'trade in' cars back on the forecourt and rely on the AM warranty for anything might go wrong within the first year. Its not good for business surely, and damaging to the Marque from a buyers perspective.
The standard of used cars I went to view at Aston Martin main dealers were really quite poor, one DB9 even had the Sat Nav button broken off, and coffee stains over the leather, a ticking V12 engine, and huge gaps in the service history !!!!
When Jaguar are selling an almost brand new car for the same money as an 8 year old Aston, it kind of puts it into perspective. AM are so concerned with selling new vehicles with all the finance packages attached, they really don't seem interested in the used car sales at all, which in its own way, takes away from the pre-owned buyers overall experience. It certainly nearly put me off buying one.
I'd ask for my money back and look for your dream elsewhere.....just my two pennies worth !
James, I too am beginning to wonder on all your points. I'm quite cynical of the 'Timeless' programme - I've come to the conclusion that apart from the obvious consumables which might need changing, they simply put 'trade in' cars back on the forecourt and rely on the AM warranty for anything might go wrong within the first year. Its not good for business surely, and damaging to the Marque from a buyers perspective.
The standard of used cars I went to view at Aston Martin main dealers were really quite poor, one DB9 even had the Sat Nav button broken off, and coffee stains over the leather, a ticking V12 engine, and huge gaps in the service history !!!!
When Jaguar are selling an almost brand new car for the same money as an 8 year old Aston, it kind of puts it into perspective. AM are so concerned with selling new vehicles with all the finance packages attached, they really don't seem interested in the used car sales at all, which in its own way, takes away from the pre-owned buyers overall experience. It certainly nearly put me off buying one.
I'd ask for my money back and look for your dream elsewhere.....just my two pennies worth !
The Timeless thing is just a bit of marketing around what they do anyway! There's no 'is she burning oil' or 'a bit ticky on the little end' or 'leaky cam chain cover' tick box mind... Mine passed with a cracked dash and perfectly even tyre wear mm tickboxes and I never ever got the original report despite asking many times - just a cr@ppy smudgy fax!!!
However I think a lot of dealers do turn out the cars well - especially on paintwork - but anything a bit deeper may take a PITA owner to sort as they don't live with the cars. Always a good idea to run through that checklist yourself - most of it is visual after all.
Hope you get a swift resolution mate and a decent loaner meantime.
However I think a lot of dealers do turn out the cars well - especially on paintwork - but anything a bit deeper may take a PITA owner to sort as they don't live with the cars. Always a good idea to run through that checklist yourself - most of it is visual after all.
Hope you get a swift resolution mate and a decent loaner meantime.
HBradley said:
Better still, get them to put in an AMR clutch with lightened flywheel, never need to worry about that ever again!
I'd go for this option......If they won't do it as a goodwill gesture (which they should) I'd at least be insisting on only paying cost and obviously free fitting (as the engine is out anyway).
HBradley said:
Better still, get them to put in an AMR clutch with lightened flywheel, never need to worry about that ever again!
It's got me thinking,,,,,,, at least new friction plate (as I never had courtesy car plus the hassle) and then I'm thinking the lightened flywheel etc,,,,,, I'm not after something for totally free but at least labour and the clutch has to come away and it takes 30 mins max to fit once out. But I pushed my budget for the car in first instance (thinking I wouldn't have to be in this position, Doh) Don't go for just friction plate as standard flywheel is substandard and tends to distort. Definitely go for twin plate and lightened flywheel if changing clutch. I'd make a contribution to make this happen if I had to.
BTW can you now update us as to what the engine fault was or don't they know? Very pleased things are working out for you.
BTW can you now update us as to what the engine fault was or don't they know? Very pleased things are working out for you.
V8V Pete said:
Don't go for just friction plate as standard flywheel is substandard and tends to distort. Definitely go for twin plate and lightened flywheel if changing clutch. I'd make a contribution to make this happen if I had to.
BTW can you now update us as to what the engine fault was or don't they know? Very pleased things are working out for you.
Im intrigued to know in what way is the original flywheel substandard? I can understand the benefits of the twin plate clutch (which also comes with its own downsides), but wasn't aware the flywheel was substandard. What is the standard?BTW can you now update us as to what the engine fault was or don't they know? Very pleased things are working out for you.
macdeb said:
It's got me thinking,,,,,,, at least new friction plate (as I never had courtesy car plus the hassle) and then I'm thinking the lightened flywheel etc,,,,,, I'm not after something for totally free but at least labour and the clutch has to come away and it takes 30 mins max to fit once out. But I pushed my budget for the car in first instance (thinking I wouldn't have to be in this position, Doh)
twin plate and lightened flywheel...twin plate and lightened flywheel...twin plate and lightened flywheel...twin plate and lightened flywheel...twin plate and lightened flywheel...twin plate and lightened flywheel...twin plate and lightened flywheel...Mac, are you listening?
VH02 AML said:
Im intrigued to know in what way is the original flywheel substandard? I can understand the benefits of the twin plate clutch (which also comes with its own downsides), but wasn't aware the flywheel was substandard. What is the standard?
Slightly out of my depth here but I think it is not (adequately) heat treated. So when the clutch overheats (which the single plate does frequently) the flywheel distorts. This contributes to the clutch judder V8 Vantages suffer from. How did I do?V8V Pete said:
Slightly out of my depth here but I think it is not (adequately) heat treated. So when the clutch overheats (which the single plate does frequently) the flywheel distorts. This contributes to the clutch judder V8 Vantages suffer from. How did I do?
Plus it weighs a ton!Need to replace both at the same time.
ChilliWhizz said:
VH02 AML said:
I can understand the benefits of the twin plate clutch (which also comes with its own downsides)
Hi, what are the downsides of the twin plate clutch please, I'm intending to go this route when mine eventually needs a new one...Many thanks,
Chilli..
Edited by HBradley on Friday 22 September 16:03
ChilliWhizz said:
VH02 AML said:
I can understand the benefits of the twin plate clutch (which also comes with its own downsides)
Hi, what are the downsides of the twin plate clutch please, I'm intending to go this route when mine eventually needs a new one...Many thanks,
Chilli..
Whether this is always the case I don't know, but the low speed gear chatter that we are all familiar with, becomes worse.
It can even sometimes be heard at tick over, which never happened with the single plate.
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