New AMOC Club Chairman

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Aston Traveller

170 posts

83 months

Friday 9th February
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[quote=TIM BUTCHER 1]Dear Ian

You know how I am not a prolific Forum use?/quote]

Hi Tim
Just a question because I am always curious. Why have you not posted under your previous Pistonheads name. I believe you managed 154 posts with that registration though I not you have not posted for quite a while.
Regards Fay

IanV12VR

2,507 posts

90 months

Friday 9th February
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TIM BUTCHER 1 said:
Dear Ian

You know how I am not a prolific Forum user but I felt I needed to respond to your post saying that I would use my elected position of Chairman of the Club to benefit my business in some way.

Firstly over the last five years whilst being a Director on the Committee of Management and Chairman of the Social Committee I have never used my position to give my business a platform for it to grow. Anyone who knows, me or my business knows that it has grown because of hard work and my commitment to the Aston Martin brand.

Secondly for everyone's information Anne Reed the other Chairman candidate may not be a direct employee of her husbands company but she is on the Committee of Management and responsible for racing. She races an Aston Martin DB2/4 in Club events with her husband and his company prepares racing cars for those events.

There are people that would say this is a conflict of interest on both sides and I as one of the candidates am not fussed by her connection to the industry in the same way she isn't fussed by mine. Surely someone who meets and speaks to owners on a regular basis both members of the Club and non members has a broader perspective of members needs and requirements that someone who doesn't.

Lastly our previous Chairman John Goldsmith also ran an Aston Martin repair business and managed quite successfully to run the Club as well. Ian can you give me examples of where he used his position to enhance his company. Surely if he had tried to, this would have been dealt with by the then Committee of Management and been recorded in the minutes of meetings?
Hi Tim,

If you read my post you will see I did not say you would do it but if that is how you want to read it so be it. I also pointed out Anne’s connection but still believe that neither candidate for Chairman should have such close connections. The fact that the only two candidates do, in my view, is not best for Club.

The fact that a previous Chairman had similar connections makes no difference to my thinking.

But as you raise it perception is very important in life and if you are elected then perhaps to avoid the perception of conflict or taking advantage of your position Trinity should not be involved in Club events or advertise whilst you were Chairman. I would say the same to Anne if she were elected.

Bobajobbob

536 posts

31 months

Friday 9th February
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Given the game of thrones playing out on the AMOC forum at the moment frankly who in their right mind would put themselves up for the job? Its all very well to frown on a conflict of interest but it's not like there is an extended list of candidates willing to do the job is there? Its easy to have an opinion but not so easy to give up your time and open yourself to this kind of scrutiny on an entirely amateur happy go-lucky basis.

In my humble and honest opinion Aston Martin should have more active role in the club both from a financial and leadership perspective to bring it into the current century.

Aston Traveller

170 posts

83 months

Friday 9th February
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Tim- apologies my post should have said 36 posts.
Fay

DickyC

30,343 posts

133 months

Friday 9th February
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Jon39 said:

This all seems to be a right pickle.
A great shame that the sons of past Chairman Eric Cutler, are not Aston Martin owners. Would make good joint Chairmen.
Eric and Mary had a Bertelli Aston. Admittedly it hadn't been used for a long time. Has it gone?
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RichB

40,527 posts

219 months

Friday 9th February
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AMTony said:
I joined AMOC last year FOC with Locktons. ...
I got no benefit whatsoever...
I requested a discount or extension from AMOC as the website was new at that time and didn't work...
I am sure you could have worded that better but it made me laugh. You got something for free but derived no benefit hehe

Buster73

2,912 posts

88 months

Friday 9th February
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I looked at joining the AMOC , didn’t bother in the end as nothing I’d read convinced me to part with over £100 , even the discount with Locktons didn’t work in my favour.

A quick read of this thread confirms my decision was for me correct .

The craic with the election of club officials , seems to me a bit of airing your dirty washing in public nothing more or less.

Keep it in house please , I don’t think PH is the place to discuss club issues.

AMTony

852 posts

102 months

Friday 9th February
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RichB said:
AMTony said:
I joined AMOC last year FOC with Locktons. ...
I got no benefit whatsoever...
I requested a discount or extension from AMOC as the website was new at that time and didn't work...
I am sure you could have worded that better but it made me laugh. You got something for free but derived no benefit hehe
Correct!
Got insurance and didn’t need to be a member of AMOC, Locktons gave that FOC.
Wasn’t the cheapest but was going on hols so was convenient to go with them.
On renewal I was told I had to be in the club……that’s how I got something for free and derived no benefit – simples!

Jon39

5,564 posts

78 months

Friday 9th February
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DickyC said:
Jon39 said:

This all seems to be a right pickle.
A great shame that the sons of past Chairman Eric Cutler, are not Aston Martin owners. Would make good joint Chairmen.
Eric and Mary had a Bertelli Aston. Admittedly it hadn't been used for a long time. Has it gone?

Think so.

I see you have the same surname. Any relation?



DickyC

30,343 posts

133 months

Friday 9th February
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Jon39 said:
Think so.

I see you have the same surname. Any relation?
People tended to assume so, but no. Eric and my dad had a chat at a get together for senior members and tried to establish a family connection but couldn't. My dad wasn't a member but came along because he had worked with Ray Daniels just after the war. Ray was Member No.2. It was a nice event. I forget the name of the pub where we all met but it has a significance in the reformation of the club post war. Mort Goodall was there, too.

Back on topic: discussions about the hierarchy of the club and them-and-us, vested interests and cliques are as old as the club itself. You could argue that any professional involvement of committee members is an indication of a deeper interest in Aston Martin and poses no threat. The club is so big that different factions can live quite happily under the club umbrella but actually have little to do with one another. But that is not a problem. The concours folk might look askance at older Astons being raced hard - and damaged! - but their respective aficionados find there is much common ground over an annual pint. The club isn't perfect but it's a lot better than no club. And it certainly won't improve if it is abandoned.

And before anyone says, "Well, you abandoned it," yes I did slide away, but I had done my bit and enjoyed it. I met good people and pretentious people, I met people with fortunes and people trying to run an Aston on a shoestring. They all had something to say worth listening to. And I enjoyed the cars, old and new and I particularly enjoyed the history. Getting involved is the key. Joining the club and helping to improve it is much better than not joining it and wishing it ill. If a member goes to the events, reads the publications, writes to the editor, stands up at the AGM to have their say and gets some grasp of the amount of effort put in behind the scenes for members by members, then they have earned the right to complain. If they don't, their complaints will go largely unheard.

RichB

40,527 posts

219 months

Friday 9th February
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DickyC said:
eople tended to assume so, but no. Eric and my dad had a chat at a get together for senior members and tried to establish a family connection but couldn't. My dad wasn't a member but came along because he had worked with Ray Daniels just after the war. Ray was Member No.2. It was a nice event. I forget the name of the pub where we all met but it has a significance in the reformation of the club post war. Mort Goodall was there, too.

Back on topic: discussions about the hierarchy of the club and them-and-us, vested interests and cliques are as old as the club itself. You could argue that any professional involvement of committee members is an indication of a deeper interest in Aston Martin and poses no threat. The club is so big that different factions can live quite happily under the club umbrella but actually have little to do with one another. But that is not a problem. The concours folk might look askance at older Astons being raced hard - and damaged! - but their respective aficionados find there is much common ground over an annual pint. The club isn't perfect but it's a lot better than no club. And it certainly won't improve if it is abandoned.

And before anyone says, "Well, you abandoned it," yes I did slide away, but I had done my bit and enjoyed it. I met good people and pretentious people, I met people with fortunes and people trying to run an Aston on a shoestring. They all had something to say worth listening to. And I enjoyed the cars, old and new and I particularly enjoyed the history. Getting involved is the key. Joining the club and helping to improve it is much better than not joining it and wishing it ill. If a member goes to the events, reads the publications, writes to the editor, stands up at the AGM to have their say and gets some grasp of the amount of effort put in behind the scenes for members by members, then they have earned the right to complain. If they don't, their complaints will go largely unheard.
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Beechburn

48 posts

12 months

Saturday 10th February
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RichB said:
DickyC said:
eople tended to assume so, but no. Eric and my dad had a chat at a get together for senior members and tried to establish a family connection but couldn't. My dad wasn't a member but came along because he had worked with Ray Daniels just after the war. Ray was Member No.2. It was a nice event. I forget the name of the pub where we all met but it has a significance in the reformation of the club post war. Mort Goodall was there, too.

Back on topic: discussions about the hierarchy of the club and them-and-us, vested interests and cliques are as old as the club itself. You could argue that any professional involvement of committee members is an indication of a deeper interest in Aston Martin and poses no threat. The club is so big that different factions can live quite happily under the club umbrella but actually have little to do with one another. But that is not a problem. The concours folk might look askance at older Astons being raced hard - and damaged! - but their respective aficionados find there is much common ground over an annual pint. The club isn't perfect but it's a lot better than no club. And it certainly won't improve if it is abandoned.

And before anyone says, "Well, you abandoned it," yes I did slide away, but I had done my bit and enjoyed it. I met good people and pretentious people, I met people with fortunes and people trying to run an Aston on a shoestring. They all had something to say worth listening to. And I enjoyed the cars, old and new and I particularly enjoyed the history. Getting involved is the key. Joining the club and helping to improve it is much better than not joining it and wishing it ill. If a member goes to the events, reads the publications, writes to the editor, stands up at the AGM to have their say and gets some grasp of the amount of effort put in behind the scenes for members by members, then they have earned the right to complain. If they don't, their complaints will go largely unheard.
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A number of excellent messages here which I enjoyed reading thanks.

I write as someone who is well versed in helping/managing various other clubs which are not car related. This experience has always taught me that clubs are often run by the few on behalf of the many and it's a rare moment when you get to please all of the people all of the time (if ever)

When people join a club they are often looking for what I call 'value' - what that value means will often be very different depending on the individual - and this is one of those things that make us different. But before joining a club people generally will look to try and understand that value before signing on the dotted line and/or parting with hard earned money. This is where AMOC fell down for me (and I think for others who have commented here). So I never made the leap to join and begin to involve myself and maybe help the club form with in.

My point being, something needs to appeal from the outside before one steps inside.

Footnote - I can't help but feel that this blog could be titled 'Brexit - in or out' :-)

fellrunner

57 posts

35 months

Saturday 10th February
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Bobajobbob said:
In my humble and honest opinion Aston Martin should have more active role in the club both from a financial and leadership perspective to bring it into the current century.
^ this

IanV12VR

2,507 posts

90 months

Saturday 10th February
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fellrunner said:
Bobajobbob said:
In my humble and honest opinion Aston Martin should have more active role in the club both from a financial and leadership perspective to bring it into the current century.
^ this
You make a good point and I can remember when I first became an Area Rep 7 years ago asking that exact question. At the time AML did not have the spare cash or saw sufficient benefit to find it. It was really down to the local dealer. I also remember being very jealous of the Porsche Club at car shows with their bunting being provide by Porsche. Instead we had to mark off our stand with posts and chains that I had “donated” to the Club. Although I was quite chuffed when one of the Porsche guys said that our stand looked better than there’s smile so my investment was worthwhile biglaugh

That was in the days before Andy Palmer and I know that AML do see the benefit and are far more supportive of the Club, whether that comes down to financial support I do not know. Many of you will know “Wadders” who is the Liason between AML and the Club and someone more passionate about Aston you will be pushed to find! So, things may be changing and you may get yours and many others wish!

LOOR13049

50 posts

91 months

Saturday 10th February
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I am a member of amoc with a wedge lagonda since the 90s. I have read the posts here with interest. I don't come on ph much. If you are the fortunate owner of a 'modern' am do join amoc and change/develop it as appropriate. If already a member do vote and do the same. It is a broad church but does it seems need modernising. It will happen just give it time and your support.

jimmybell

258 posts

52 months

Tuesday 13th February
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Joined AMOC myself recently but not really sure it offers much for a ‘modern’ aston owner.

Forum is kinda low-rent and restricted, took me an age to even get access to it.

So far i’m paying a large amount to receive a nice pin badge and their mag (that seems to primarily focus on older cars and their owners), so still looking for something they do i would be interested in. amoc doesn’t seem to really line up with AML’s future vision of a broader range of owners.

I got my chairman voting letter but the fact they’re two candidates from the existing leadership suggests very little will change. Reading the budgeted expenses really put me off, too.

Will continue to look for reasons to get involved in AMOC but as it stands i dont think ill be renewing.

RichB

40,527 posts

219 months

Tuesday 13th February
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jimmybell said:
...Forum is kinda low-rent and restricted, took me an age to even get access to it...
As someone who frequents Pistonheads and AMOC forum they both seem good but different styles to me. I wonder what you mean by low rent? What would you think would make the forum appear more upmarket?

RobDown

3,006 posts

63 months

Tuesday 13th February
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I’m a little encouraged that AMOC now seems to have a thread going where there’s some discussion about membership and how to make the club a little more inclusive for Gaydon owners

I also get the sense that Anne at least (apologies Tim I don’t know enough about your thoughts on this) recognises that some change may be needed

Having spent a bit of time on the AMOC forum over the last few days though (for the first time in months) I think part of the issue is that there are some Gaydon owners on there who don’t have the same perspective on the club that non-AMOC members have - and they therefore say “things are fine”. Indeed in response to a post I made I got a pm from someone insisting that was the case

So they don’t see for example that the magazines are heavily Classic-biased, as mentioned above, or that the forum, despite the excellent work of Gary U, is hugely off-putting

Fingers crossed that there is some change there. Maybe if some of the CoM are at Beaulieu it may be worth their while popping down to the PH area to chat to some Gaydon (non-AMOC) owners

Graze01

386 posts

27 months

Tuesday 13th February
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jimmybell said:
Joined AMOC myself recently but not really sure it offers much for a ‘modern’ aston owner.

Forum took me an age to even get access to it.

So far i’m paying a large amount to receive a nice pin badge and their mag (that seems to primarily focus on older cars and their owners), so still looking for something they do i would be interested in.
My experience too so far - still cant get access to forum - password issues

tried it to see if it was worth it - dont have huge expectations being downunder but we will see

Graeme

Gbox

9 posts

129 months

Wednesday 14th February
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As a Vanquish owner I can state that the information on AMOC Forum makes the membership fee worth every penny and some. Two new fuel pumps cost £70 instead of £800 from AML. New brake discs that don't warp in 30 seconds were 50% of AML price etc etc. There is an active membership looking after their cars and sourcing better parts and solutions. To be balanced, not every section is as good but there are people there who really know their cars and can and will help. Most active are Vanquish and DB7 but V8 (older model) not far behind. The technical traffic on the Gaydon cars is building as more change hands to owners who aren't fussed to do their own work. For anyone overseas I would suggest it is a must.