New 2018 DBS confirmed
Discussion
martinvantage said:
At 300 it will have to be absolutely brilliant to better the 812. It may well be epic but that would be very strong pricing.
I don't know that the DBS was being aimed at competing directly with the 812. The Vanquish (different car to the DBS) would be given that job. There were murmurs the Vanquish name might be given to the mid-engine car in a few years, but if that's the case then the new super GT Vanquish project must have been parked.Upperworks said:
I think they might be a bit lower, but either way, twice the price of a decent spec new Vantage.
Similar formula from entry to flagship as in the past? In 06 a V8V was around 80k, Vanquish S around 160k?
Not saying it isn't a very large amount, but probably proportionally not far off the way the range has been spaced before.
Linked to the new Vantage thread, I did a comparison of list prices back when the V8V was introduced, against its rivals (namely the 911 Turbo and R8). Granted the R8 was introduced a year later. Between then and now, both have seen their list prices creep up by ~£25k. Because they've had numerous iterations throughout the 12-13 years, the price rise has been incremental. Of course with the Vantage, it's perceived there's a gulf in the price difference because you see a list price now vs one from 2005-06. It's likely to be the same with the DBS & Vanquish, though the Vanquish has had a much shorter life cycle.Similar formula from entry to flagship as in the past? In 06 a V8V was around 80k, Vanquish S around 160k?
Not saying it isn't a very large amount, but probably proportionally not far off the way the range has been spaced before.
Chaps - help me understand 700+ HP through a rear wheel drive car?
Don’t get me wrong - I love the idea of even more power. But, even in my humble DB11 trying to get 600HP down without the back end developing a sideways mind of its own is a challenge.
With more HP, can you ever really access it?
Be gentle in your responses - I’m not a particularly skilled driver so may well be missing the point.
Don’t get me wrong - I love the idea of even more power. But, even in my humble DB11 trying to get 600HP down without the back end developing a sideways mind of its own is a challenge.
With more HP, can you ever really access it?
Be gentle in your responses - I’m not a particularly skilled driver so may well be missing the point.
fellrunner said:
Chaps - help me understand 700+ HP through a rear wheel drive car?
Don’t get me wrong - I love the idea of even more power. But, even in my humble DB11 trying to get 600HP down without the back end developing a sideways mind of its own is a challenge.
With more HP, can you ever really access it?
Don’t get me wrong - I love the idea of even more power. But, even in my humble DB11 trying to get 600HP down without the back end developing a sideways mind of its own is a challenge.
With more HP, can you ever really access it?
I too was puzzled about this ever increasing yearning for power, but it was explained to me by our fellow PHer, avinalarf.
I think he drove one of those 1930s Mercedes racing monsters, although I might have misheard that, because he did not seem old enough.
If you are having grip trouble with 600 bhp, there is no need to worry. You will be fine with 700 bhp. As it was explained to me, apparently the extra power over about 500bhp is not for use on the road, it is at the bar. Fancy going for a drink in a V8V, then talking to a V12V owner. He is not likely to buy you a drink. Turn up with 700 bhp, and the V12V owner then finds himself in a spot. He cannot talk to the V8V man, because he has already snubbed him.
Something to do with a pecking order.
It looks to be a great car. Perhaps fairly traditional on the outside, but a monster under the skin. The cool way of doing it.
fellrunner said:
Chaps - help me understand 700+ HP through a rear wheel drive car?
Don’t get me wrong - I love the idea of even more power. But, even in my humble DB11 trying to get 600HP down without the back end developing a sideways mind of its own is a challenge.
With more HP, can you ever really access it?
Be gentle in your responses - I’m not a particularly skilled driver so may well be missing the point.
The DBS has had some chassis development work, and as mentioned above, looks to be running wider rear rubber. Given the horsepower and torque figures, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some ECU trickery to limit torque output in lower gears (much like Ferrari use in some of the turbocharged applications). Just a hunch really, it'll be a mighty fun car to experience in any case Don’t get me wrong - I love the idea of even more power. But, even in my humble DB11 trying to get 600HP down without the back end developing a sideways mind of its own is a challenge.
With more HP, can you ever really access it?
Be gentle in your responses - I’m not a particularly skilled driver so may well be missing the point.
Cockernee said:
McLaren & Ferrari seem to manage 700+ BHP OK through the rear wheels. They do have the advantage of the engine weight closer to the rear, but I am sure AM will manage the traction electronically like most others. Once out of 1st gear it will be fine no doubt, certainly fun
This is a gentleman who has a well informed opinion on this topic...Cockernee said:
... 700+ BHP OK through the rear wheels.
Once out of 1st gear it will be fine no doubt, certainly fun
Once out of 1st gear it will be fine no doubt, certainly fun
I tried to see what a 1st gear top speed, for a 700 bhp car might be.
The V8V is 47 mph.
Wonder if a 700+ bhp DBS, could reach 70 mph, the UK national speed limit ?
If that is possible, 'Once out of 1st gear, it will be fine no doubt, certainly fun.' -
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