So What Do We Call This Now?

So What Do We Call This Now?

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KevinBird

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1,036 posts

206 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Please can the sages on here come up with a definitive name for the last generation of Vantage V8 & V12?

I was thinking Gen 1 but there have been earlier uses of Vantage, did it have a 996,997 type code?


divetheworld

2,565 posts

134 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Do we need to? It seems the later one has been dubbed the AMG Vantage.
If we must, then “Normally aspirated Vantage” seems accurate.

Chris.oOo

108 posts

72 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Best vantage? I do like the look of the new vantage. But my heart sinks when I think about that Mercedes engine, and when I see that Mercedes style interior. It’s just not right.

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Easy, the 'Classic Vantage'.

After 50 years, still unmistakable to everyone, an Aston Martin.











V8V Pete

2,496 posts

125 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Beautiful

KevinBird

Original Poster:

1,036 posts

206 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Jon39 said:

Easy, the 'Classic Vantage'.

After 50 years, still unmistakable to everyone, an Aston Martin.
So what are these Vantage's?



8Tech

2,136 posts

197 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Thats a V8, Vantage edition rather than a Vantage in it's own right.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I'd have gone with VH2; other terms have a crossover into both the older car and the newer one.

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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KevinBird said:
So what are these Vantage's?


Gorgeous!

V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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cayman-black said:
KevinBird said:
So what are these Vantage's?


Gorgeous!
True.

Let's not start the naming 'discussion' as only old farts and pedants like myself will be involved. That said....

Above is a V8 Vantage. Your 'gen 1' Gaydon Vantage (originally known as the AMV8 Vantage not to be confused with the Aston Martin V8 Vantage) is also a V8 Vantage. As are the later V8 Vantage of the supercharged variety, which initially were just Vantage. As was the original slightly-modified DBS after Company Developments bought the Company in 1972. This DBS is not to be confused with the later DBS. Now, ....

Edited by V8LM on Thursday 19th July 19:04

Emilio Largo

582 posts

110 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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+1 "old fart/pedant" over here, of course.

But yes, I think there sadly is some sort of need to differentiate the "New Vantage" from the "old Vantage" as the manufacturer had the boldness of not listening to me and give the totally new and different car a new name.

So for purposes of a forum, discussion etc., we are unfortunately left with an addressing issue.

NFC 85 Vette said:
I'd have gone with VH2; other terms have a crossover into both the older car and the newer one.
Technically spot on, I think. That´s what my CoC states. But I have doubts that this common knowledge even among owners? Maybe it will become common in the future, who knows.

My suggestion meanwhile is a simple classic: Vantage Mk. I

I do wonder why this is not being used any more, but "DB 9.2" or "991.1" etc. instead? Is there a reason for it? Or is it just the old fart/young digital generation thing?



V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Please let's no got down the Pork/BMW/Merc/... route with 936 v 937 or E34 v E35 or 124 v 125 or ... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Because AM have ballsed-up their whole naming strategy, just use 2007 V8 Vantage, or 1998 V8 Vantage, or whatever.


Edited by V8LM on Thursday 19th July 19:32

Phil74891

1,064 posts

132 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Classic Vantage
Best Vantage
AMG Vantage

Sorted.

Cold

15,207 posts

89 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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cayman-black said:
KevinBird said:
So what are these Vantage's?


Gorgeous!
Rusty.

MrB.

558 posts

185 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Officially (if my memory serves me correctly) the internal codename for the Gaydon-era Vantage was AM308 (I think DB9 was AM305, but I will stand corrected). The Supercharged Vantage from the 1990's has usually been referred to as one of the V-cars (for Virage) and the 1980's cars OI (Oscar India, phonetic for "October Introduction", the timing for the car's launch in 1978. Although they did go through five series of these culminating in the very last X-Packs).

The new Vantage is the 4th car to use the name Vantage as the model name in its own right, rather than the flagship of that particular range, and is derived from the word "ad-vantage".

As always, happy to be corrected if my memory has faded due to the onset of too much vino collapso from the past 20 years.


BamfordMike

1,192 posts

156 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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MrB. said:
Officially (if my memory serves me correctly) the internal codename for the Gaydon-era Vantage was AM308 (I think DB9 was AM305, but I will stand corrected). The Supercharged Vantage from the 1990's has usually been referred to as one of the V-cars (for Virage) and the 1980's cars OI (Oscar India, phonetic for "October Introduction", the timing for the car's launch in 1978. Although they did go through five series of these culminating in the very last X-Packs).

The new Vantage is the 4th car to use the name Vantage as the model name in its own right, rather than the flagship of that particular range, and is derived from the word "ad-vantage".

As always, happy to be corrected if my memory has faded due to the onset of too much vino collapso from the past 20 years.
Gaydon codes AM803 (not AM308) was DB9 and AM305 was 4.3L V8 Vantage until about 2003/4 when the VH code naming convention took over (VH1 = DB9 and subsequent derivatives, VH2 = V8 Vantage derivatives until VH280 = V12Vantage. VH300 (DBS) VH400 (Rapide) leading to VH5/6/7/8 for DB11/ AMG Vantage / DBS

In the trade the VH codes are seldom used. Pre Mercedes Vantage is defined mostly by engine size... ‘4.3L Vantage’ or ‘4.7L Vantage’, the new one is ‘AMG Vantage’.

MrB.

558 posts

185 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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BamfordMike said:
Gaydon codes AM803 (not AM308) was DB9 and AM305 was 4.3L V8 Vantage until about 2003/4 when the VH code naming convention took over (VH1 = DB9 and subsequent derivatives, VH2 = V8 Vantage derivatives until VH280 = V12Vantage. VH300 (DBS) VH400 (Rapide) leading to VH5/6/7/8 for DB11/ AMG Vantage / DBS

In the trade the VH codes are seldom used. Pre Mercedes Vantage is defined mostly by engine size... ‘4.3L Vantage’ or ‘4.7L Vantage’, the new one is ‘AMG Vantage’.
I knew I had gotten something wrong with my AM codes (hence my disclaimer!). Interestingly, new Vanquish was given the code Project AM310 at Villa d'Este to get it into the concept car category!

To be fair, though, in the Aston Martin section of the trade, we tend to use model years to differentiate, as this was given with DCS when we checked the specification of a car. So you knew '09MY Vantage was a 4.7 and a DB9 was a 470bhp derivative, but that doesn't really apply to the OP's original question.

BamfordMike

1,192 posts

156 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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MrB. said:
I knew I had gotten something wrong with my AM codes (hence my disclaimer!). Interestingly, new Vanquish was given the code Project AM310 at Villa d'Este to get it into the concept car category!

To be fair, though, in the Aston Martin section of the trade, we tend to use model years to differentiate, as this was given with DCS when we checked the specification of a car. So you knew '09MY Vantage was a 4.7 and a DB9 was a 470bhp derivative, but that doesn't really apply to the OP's original question.
I wouldn’t worry, Since when does a thread on PH stay on track anyway.

Model years to differentiate isn’t robust as at cross over points there were always a ton of old stock left over. Using your example there are many 2009 registered 4.3’s out there, likewise many 450BHP 09 plates, many 470bhp DB9 steel brake cars on a 13 plate.

telum01

987 posts

114 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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BamfordMike said:
I wouldn’t worry, Since when does a thread on PH stay on track anyway.

Model years to differentiate isn’t robust as at cross over points there were always a ton of old stock left over. Using your example there are many 2009 registered 4.3’s out there, likewise many 450BHP 09 plates, many 470bhp DB9 steel brake cars on a 13 plate.
Is that a British thing? In the US, MY is based on the date of manufacture, not when it was registered. So all MY08 would be 4.3L, even if they sat unsold for an extra year (which was indeed the case!).

BamfordMike

1,192 posts

156 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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telum01 said:
Is that a British thing? In the US, MY is based on the date of manufacture, not when it was registered. So all MY08 would be 4.3L, even if they sat unsold for an extra year (which was indeed the case!).
MY to denote a derivative and MY to denote age are 2 separate things and is terminology (the word MY) that most people mix up and use the word MY to describe the year in which their car was registered.

Your description of MY is correct for pretty much everywhere to determine a MY sales / showroom spec when new. But if you are chatting to someone who says they have an 09 for sale, most folk will say “its model year 09”, and on the off chance it could be a 4.3L
Which is why I said in my first post that in the trade, the Vantage is mostly split on engine size which gets you 99% of the way there, then hone in on age if you have to. Anyone who refers to the cars by a VH number would be lost on 99.99% of folk is my other point, and in the example on this thread, most folk get the codes wrong anyway!