Joining the club...
Discussion
So back in may I posted a topic as I was trying to work out which Aston Martin was for me... and after much soul searching and deliberation, just over a week ago the right one for me came up for sale, I put a holding deposit on and yesterday went and agreed to buy it. Some will probably think I'm mad because it's the first one I went to see "in the flesh" but it ticked all the boxes I was looking for, it felt right when I drove it and I woke up this morning thinking of the burble as it started for the first time.
It's a Manual V8 Vantage S Roadster, 2017 MY in Skyfall Silver with Obsidian Black Leather/Silver Stitching with just about all the toys it's a last of line model. It's got less than 3k miles on the clock and I've got a ridiculous grin on my face too (that's Mrs Hinds not me in the car btw!)
So now I have some questions... have naturally been offered all manner of extra protections and I'm wondering which ones people have previously gone for and have you been pleased with your choices?
It's a Manual V8 Vantage S Roadster, 2017 MY in Skyfall Silver with Obsidian Black Leather/Silver Stitching with just about all the toys it's a last of line model. It's got less than 3k miles on the clock and I've got a ridiculous grin on my face too (that's Mrs Hinds not me in the car btw!)
So now I have some questions... have naturally been offered all manner of extra protections and I'm wondering which ones people have previously gone for and have you been pleased with your choices?
- Topaz Protect - Plastic "shield" for the paintwork... if I did it would be Full-front and Sills... I'm thinking in favour of this but haven't got a quote for it yet as it's due to be mailed to me
- G Technique paint and interior for £599 - don't know if it's worth doing this with the above or not
- Asset Protection - Basically GAP insurance for £749. Car is intended to be a keeper and won't be on finance so I've generally not been considering it, but accept this is somewhat different to buying your everyday car
- Tyre Insurance - 5 tyres over 3 years for £399. Thinking not for this one
- SMART Insurance for £399 for chips/scratches etc... wondering if this is actually worth going for even if I do shield the bonnet etc
- Alloy Wheel Repair including Lathe Skims for 3 years for £299... again thinking yes to this
Chris ,firstly congratulations - Skyfall is a great colour.
In order of your questions -
PPF - Very personal call - I've never bought into this and other than the sills of my GT8 which has cutaway arches at the front have never bothered on any of my cars - new or otherwise.
Gtech - assuming ( at this price ) its not ceramic again I'm not sure I'd personally bother.
GAP - If you get agreed value on your Insurance you shouldn't need - but if you do then get off Internet companies like Click for Gap etc -much cheaper.
Tyre Ins- If you could get for £ 300 or less I probably would.
Smart -If no PPF or Ceramic then again if you could get for £300 I probably would.
Alloy - yup again I probably would.
In order of your questions -
PPF - Very personal call - I've never bought into this and other than the sills of my GT8 which has cutaway arches at the front have never bothered on any of my cars - new or otherwise.
Gtech - assuming ( at this price ) its not ceramic again I'm not sure I'd personally bother.
GAP - If you get agreed value on your Insurance you shouldn't need - but if you do then get off Internet companies like Click for Gap etc -much cheaper.
Tyre Ins- If you could get for £ 300 or less I probably would.
Smart -If no PPF or Ceramic then again if you could get for £300 I probably would.
Alloy - yup again I probably would.
Congrats, the new car looks great, 
re "protection" stuff" ive always kept to a minimum, you can soon end up spending a few grand more than you need to for a couple of years for extra piece of mind. Dealers love this stuff, its how they can add on quite a few more percent of profit. Although I do like a bit of protection film and gtechniq coating, which both work
1. Topaz Protect - Plastic "shield" for the paintwork... if I did it would be Full-front and Sills... I'm thinking in favour of this but haven't got a quote for it yet as it's due to be mailed to me
Depends on price really (see other thread on film suppliers) If the car you are buying does not have film on (most did from new in key areas) then I would have sills/arches, maybe front lower bumper area done. All these areas can be peppered with chips within a couple of years.
2. G Technique paint and interior for £599 - don't know if it's worth doing this with the above or not
Had this done a few times on a couple of long term owner cars. Its great, lasts for ages if you wash the car carefully yourself. Really works and yes, on top of film too. Great if you want a minimal care routine. Or If you like to spend hours detailing every few months yourself then continue to do so with your favorite products.
3. Asset Protection - Basically GAP insurance for £749. Car is intended to be a keeper and won't be on finance so I've generally not been considering it, but accept this is somewhat different to buying your everyday car
Never bothered, its just insurance on top of insurance you already have. You are going to get "market value" anyway if you suffer total loss. Im not expecting to get full purchase price back if I write my car off. I always thought GAP insurance was one of those things that came in with PCP, to cover people who were driving new cars, nearly 100% financed that were in negative equity for the first few years.
4. Tyre Insurance - 5 tyres over 3 years for £399. Thinking not for this one
never bothered...tyres are tyres, its just luck, if you drive it you will be wearing them out sooner than that
5. SMART Insurance for £399 for chips/scratches etc... wondering if this is actually worth going for even if I do shield the bonnet etc
Had this thrown in with my last Range Rover purchase. I did use it once when I got a small parking scrape. Unless you use it 2-3 times its not good vfm. Also its just a man in a van repair you could get yourself, and not a bodyshop (at least mine was) so a bit of a minimal kind of repair. To be honest, not something I would want doing on a new Aston. If it gets damaged you want it in approved bodyshop for a proper job IMO....so wouldn't take this on new (ish) Aston. Its like paying up front for cheap repairs you could get done anyway if you need them.
6. Alloy Wheel Repair including Lathe Skims for 3 years for £299... again thinking yes to this
thats quite good value, if you have diamond cut wheels ...so long as you use it at least a couple of times of course. How careful are you? ...had my new to me car over 2 years with diamond cut wheels, put 22k miles on it and managed not to damage the wheels (fingers crossed) If I do damage I will get them fixed. Do you normally pay up front for such things ? ....I dont ...why pay up front again "just in case" so the dealer makes more profit. If you damage your wheels, fix them at the time and keep the money in the bank.
re "protection" stuff" ive always kept to a minimum, you can soon end up spending a few grand more than you need to for a couple of years for extra piece of mind. Dealers love this stuff, its how they can add on quite a few more percent of profit. Although I do like a bit of protection film and gtechniq coating, which both work
1. Topaz Protect - Plastic "shield" for the paintwork... if I did it would be Full-front and Sills... I'm thinking in favour of this but haven't got a quote for it yet as it's due to be mailed to me
Depends on price really (see other thread on film suppliers) If the car you are buying does not have film on (most did from new in key areas) then I would have sills/arches, maybe front lower bumper area done. All these areas can be peppered with chips within a couple of years.
2. G Technique paint and interior for £599 - don't know if it's worth doing this with the above or not
Had this done a few times on a couple of long term owner cars. Its great, lasts for ages if you wash the car carefully yourself. Really works and yes, on top of film too. Great if you want a minimal care routine. Or If you like to spend hours detailing every few months yourself then continue to do so with your favorite products.
3. Asset Protection - Basically GAP insurance for £749. Car is intended to be a keeper and won't be on finance so I've generally not been considering it, but accept this is somewhat different to buying your everyday car
Never bothered, its just insurance on top of insurance you already have. You are going to get "market value" anyway if you suffer total loss. Im not expecting to get full purchase price back if I write my car off. I always thought GAP insurance was one of those things that came in with PCP, to cover people who were driving new cars, nearly 100% financed that were in negative equity for the first few years.
4. Tyre Insurance - 5 tyres over 3 years for £399. Thinking not for this one
never bothered...tyres are tyres, its just luck, if you drive it you will be wearing them out sooner than that
5. SMART Insurance for £399 for chips/scratches etc... wondering if this is actually worth going for even if I do shield the bonnet etc
Had this thrown in with my last Range Rover purchase. I did use it once when I got a small parking scrape. Unless you use it 2-3 times its not good vfm. Also its just a man in a van repair you could get yourself, and not a bodyshop (at least mine was) so a bit of a minimal kind of repair. To be honest, not something I would want doing on a new Aston. If it gets damaged you want it in approved bodyshop for a proper job IMO....so wouldn't take this on new (ish) Aston. Its like paying up front for cheap repairs you could get done anyway if you need them.
6. Alloy Wheel Repair including Lathe Skims for 3 years for £299... again thinking yes to this
thats quite good value, if you have diamond cut wheels ...so long as you use it at least a couple of times of course. How careful are you? ...had my new to me car over 2 years with diamond cut wheels, put 22k miles on it and managed not to damage the wheels (fingers crossed) If I do damage I will get them fixed. Do you normally pay up front for such things ? ....I dont ...why pay up front again "just in case" so the dealer makes more profit. If you damage your wheels, fix them at the time and keep the money in the bank.
Beautiful car!
I’ve had a V12VS for four years. Had Paddy the detailer on here machine polish it and apply GTechniq Crystal Serum before I drove the car.
Paintwork is still close to perfect, so highly recommended.
I’m not a big fan of add on insurance policies or extended warranties, and prefer to ‘self insure’, so wouldn’t consider any of the others.
Fortunately I’ve been lucky (or careful) and I wouldn’t have claimed on any of them over the four years.
It just depends what your risk appetite is.
I’ve had a V12VS for four years. Had Paddy the detailer on here machine polish it and apply GTechniq Crystal Serum before I drove the car.
Paintwork is still close to perfect, so highly recommended.
I’m not a big fan of add on insurance policies or extended warranties, and prefer to ‘self insure’, so wouldn’t consider any of the others.
Fortunately I’ve been lucky (or careful) and I wouldn’t have claimed on any of them over the four years.
It just depends what your risk appetite is.
Edited by Phil74891 on Sunday 12th August 17:14
Congratulations Chris.
No, you are not mad buying the first car. You did your homework, worked out what spec. you wanted, and waited for a car to appear. If condition is perfect, then you have exactly what you want. I did exactly the same and am still thrilled years after purchase.
You seem to have listed all the extra things, that salesmen want to earn commission on.
Warranty should of course be part of your deal anyway, after that I take the view that if I can afford the car, I can take the other risks. No need to give profit to other people. With hindsight on my own car, there would not have been any claims for anything at all.
Enjoy your car. They are wonderful.
Edited by Dewi 1 on Sunday 12th August 17:05
Congratulations on your new car. You won't be disappointed with a manual Vantage S. I've had mine 3 years and I've even stopped looking at the V12V adverts on a daily basis 
I've never gone for any of the insurance add ons. They are just easy profit for the dealer and I don't think I would ever get a smart repair on my Aston.
Paint protection preference is very personal but again, I wouldn't get the dealer to do it. You will pay more for an inferior product/service. My car got a full detail by Paddy, paint protection film on full front, sills, rear arches and mirrors by Paintshield and Gtechnich ceramic sealant on the rest of it (by Paddy). Not cheap but 3 years on it's still in superb condition.
I've never gone for any of the insurance add ons. They are just easy profit for the dealer and I don't think I would ever get a smart repair on my Aston.
Paint protection preference is very personal but again, I wouldn't get the dealer to do it. You will pay more for an inferior product/service. My car got a full detail by Paddy, paint protection film on full front, sills, rear arches and mirrors by Paintshield and Gtechnich ceramic sealant on the rest of it (by Paddy). Not cheap but 3 years on it's still in superb condition.
Lovely choice! I wouldn’t worry about it being the first you saw and test drove. If you know what you want, you did your research and it made you smile...
Just stepped into my second V8V and had these questions posed to me again. Thankfully they now know me so there was zero pressure.
Paint protection: there have been threads on there voicing opinions both ways in detail. My personal preference would not to go for it as you may as well have a re-spray. Depends a bit on of you do lots of bumper-to-bumper driving, increasing the risk of stone chips.
G-Tech: had it done straight away on my first but decided to have this done later (probably winter). It’s started so clean and well prepared from AM Bristol, I may as well enjoy it like that and then benefit from a second rounds of professional cleanliness some time later.
GAP protection: did on the first but then got a more comprehensive policy on the second. The cost of the independent GAP cover (much cheaper if you shop around) was around the same as the difference of insuring with Admiral and Locktons. Admiral appear good for “normal” cars but can’t offer assured value cover and there’s the risk any damage is repaired at Vauxhall. With Locktons (around £350 more), I have an assured value which means that GAP is largely unnecessary. They will also allow me to specify a repair centre... ie. an AM authorised one!
Tyre cover: tyres for the V8V aren’t that expensive. I wouldn’t bother.
Stone chip and SMART: haven’t been offered these and wouldn’t bother. Keep that cash to one side and be careful
Good luck and enjoy! You’ll soon forget about all these necessary but tedious aspects!
Just stepped into my second V8V and had these questions posed to me again. Thankfully they now know me so there was zero pressure.
Paint protection: there have been threads on there voicing opinions both ways in detail. My personal preference would not to go for it as you may as well have a re-spray. Depends a bit on of you do lots of bumper-to-bumper driving, increasing the risk of stone chips.
G-Tech: had it done straight away on my first but decided to have this done later (probably winter). It’s started so clean and well prepared from AM Bristol, I may as well enjoy it like that and then benefit from a second rounds of professional cleanliness some time later.
GAP protection: did on the first but then got a more comprehensive policy on the second. The cost of the independent GAP cover (much cheaper if you shop around) was around the same as the difference of insuring with Admiral and Locktons. Admiral appear good for “normal” cars but can’t offer assured value cover and there’s the risk any damage is repaired at Vauxhall. With Locktons (around £350 more), I have an assured value which means that GAP is largely unnecessary. They will also allow me to specify a repair centre... ie. an AM authorised one!
Tyre cover: tyres for the V8V aren’t that expensive. I wouldn’t bother.
Stone chip and SMART: haven’t been offered these and wouldn’t bother. Keep that cash to one side and be careful
Good luck and enjoy! You’ll soon forget about all these necessary but tedious aspects!
Congratulations!! Beautiful car indeed.
A couple of very quick pointers:
PPF, very worthwhile.
GTechniq is only any good if the car has been properly detailed with machine polishing. A proper detailing is always worthwhile. Dealers don’t know the first thing about detailing. Don’t do it with them for goodness sake.
GAP insurance.
Well who’s trying to take your pants down? Try shortfall.co.uk
They also do the tyre and alloy insurance but that isn’t something I’d recommend unless you do lots of miles.
You won’t need chip insurance if you got PPF!!
A couple of very quick pointers:
PPF, very worthwhile.
GTechniq is only any good if the car has been properly detailed with machine polishing. A proper detailing is always worthwhile. Dealers don’t know the first thing about detailing. Don’t do it with them for goodness sake.
GAP insurance.
Well who’s trying to take your pants down? Try shortfall.co.uk
They also do the tyre and alloy insurance but that isn’t something I’d recommend unless you do lots of miles.
You won’t need chip insurance if you got PPF!!
Wow. Congratulations on your choice & a manual too. Manual's are rare. I absolutely love my V8VS manual.
Topaz PPF - Mine came with PPF on front, sills & wing mirrors. Tbh its not the best PPF, however I've heard good things about Topaz & would probably use them when its time to replace my PPF (when it gets a yellow tinge)
Gtechniq - I have had Gtechniq protection on a couple of Porsche's I previously owned. The price you have been quoted seems very cheap tbh. However, there are different levels of protection. It doesn't protect the paint in the same way as PPF. PPF should protect against stone chips whereas Gtechniq doesn't. But Gtechniq will get rid of swirl marks, marring, spidering etc & will protect the paint. It has excellent beading properties & makes the paint easier to clean. If you do decide to go with Gtechniq - make sure they are an accredited Gtechniq dealer as they are the only people who can apply their top product. Their lesser product is Crystal Light. I'am guess they are quoting you for the lesser product as it seems quite cheap. Its a great product. Would i do it again? Probably not. This time round on the Vantage I decided to polish & use a top wax from Dodo Juice. I enjoyed doing it myself & saved myself a packet.
SMART Insurance - When my wife collected her new Cayenne in Jan we were offered lots of insurance add on's. This was the only add on we took out as it seemed a no brainer & is our main car. £399 for three year cover for scratches, dents etc - very easy to pick up a scratch or dent when you park up at a supermarket. Aggregate limit is £3000. I have just put in a claim for a minor scratch. With the Aston however, its used very occasionally & so I'am willing to take that risk. Its an excellent product but depends where you park your car, how often you will be using it etc.
Topaz PPF - Mine came with PPF on front, sills & wing mirrors. Tbh its not the best PPF, however I've heard good things about Topaz & would probably use them when its time to replace my PPF (when it gets a yellow tinge)
Gtechniq - I have had Gtechniq protection on a couple of Porsche's I previously owned. The price you have been quoted seems very cheap tbh. However, there are different levels of protection. It doesn't protect the paint in the same way as PPF. PPF should protect against stone chips whereas Gtechniq doesn't. But Gtechniq will get rid of swirl marks, marring, spidering etc & will protect the paint. It has excellent beading properties & makes the paint easier to clean. If you do decide to go with Gtechniq - make sure they are an accredited Gtechniq dealer as they are the only people who can apply their top product. Their lesser product is Crystal Light. I'am guess they are quoting you for the lesser product as it seems quite cheap. Its a great product. Would i do it again? Probably not. This time round on the Vantage I decided to polish & use a top wax from Dodo Juice. I enjoyed doing it myself & saved myself a packet.
SMART Insurance - When my wife collected her new Cayenne in Jan we were offered lots of insurance add on's. This was the only add on we took out as it seemed a no brainer & is our main car. £399 for three year cover for scratches, dents etc - very easy to pick up a scratch or dent when you park up at a supermarket. Aggregate limit is £3000. I have just put in a claim for a minor scratch. With the Aston however, its used very occasionally & so I'am willing to take that risk. Its an excellent product but depends where you park your car, how often you will be using it etc.
Chris,
We have not met yet but I am the Dealer Principal at AM Cambridge. Congratulations and thank you for purchasing your V8 Vantage S from us. Its 100% up to you which additional products (if any) you purchase from us, but I must take issue with this sweeping and unqualified statement from divetheworld. We do know about detailing and how to apply a ceramic coating correctly.
I look forward to meeting you in person soon, but in the meantime if I can be of any assistance please drop me a line on simon.lane@jardinemotors.co.uk
Kind regards
Simon
We have not met yet but I am the Dealer Principal at AM Cambridge. Congratulations and thank you for purchasing your V8 Vantage S from us. Its 100% up to you which additional products (if any) you purchase from us, but I must take issue with this sweeping and unqualified statement from divetheworld. We do know about detailing and how to apply a ceramic coating correctly.
I look forward to meeting you in person soon, but in the meantime if I can be of any assistance please drop me a line on simon.lane@jardinemotors.co.uk
Kind regards
Simon
divetheworld said:
Dealers don’t know the first thing about detailing. Don’t do it with them for goodness sake.
Phil74891 said:
Beautiful car!
I’ve had a V12VS for four years. Had Paddy the detailer on here machine polish it and apply GTechniq Crystal Serum before I drove the car.
Paintwork is still close to perfect, so highly recommended.
I’m not a big fan of add on insurance policies or extended warranties, and prefer to ‘self insure’, so wouldn’t consider any of the others.
Fortunately I’ve been lucky (or careful) and I wouldn’t have claimed on any of them over the four years.
It just depends what your risk appetite is.
I,m with Phil here , plus i detail myself.....so never use a ceramic coating but i,m always applying wax lol.
If i used it more the only thing i would consider is the ppf for the front.
I’ve had a V12VS for four years. Had Paddy the detailer on here machine polish it and apply GTechniq Crystal Serum before I drove the car.
Paintwork is still close to perfect, so highly recommended.
I’m not a big fan of add on insurance policies or extended warranties, and prefer to ‘self insure’, so wouldn’t consider any of the others.
Fortunately I’ve been lucky (or careful) and I wouldn’t have claimed on any of them over the four years.
It just depends what your risk appetite is.
I,m with Phil here , plus i detail myself.....so never use a ceramic coating but i,m always applying wax lol.
If i used it more the only thing i would consider is the ppf for the front.
Edited by Phil74891 on Sunday 12th August 17:14
Simon Lane said:
Chris,
We have not met yet but I am the Dealer Principal at AM Cambridge. Congratulations and thank you for purchasing your V8 Vantage S from us. Its 100% up to you which additional products (if any) you purchase from us, but I must take issue with this sweeping and unqualified statement from divetheworld. We do know about detailing and how to apply a ceramic coating correctly.
I look forward to meeting you in person soon, but in the meantime if I can be of any assistance please drop me a line on simon.lane@jardinemotors.co.uk
Kind regards
Simon
I should have said "in general, most dealers don't know the first thing about detailing properly". Which I would stand by seeing the state of some of the paintwork of supplied vehicles. Then there is the 'service' washing that goes on. We have not met yet but I am the Dealer Principal at AM Cambridge. Congratulations and thank you for purchasing your V8 Vantage S from us. Its 100% up to you which additional products (if any) you purchase from us, but I must take issue with this sweeping and unqualified statement from divetheworld. We do know about detailing and how to apply a ceramic coating correctly.
I look forward to meeting you in person soon, but in the meantime if I can be of any assistance please drop me a line on simon.lane@jardinemotors.co.uk
Kind regards
Simon
divetheworld said:
Dealers don’t know the first thing about detailing. Don’t do it with them for goodness sake.
I am sure their are exceptions such as your good self Simon.
You wouldn't let just anyone with a DA attack your paint without qualifying their ability. Doesn't matter if they call themselves a detailer or or a forward thinking dealer.
Edited by divetheworld on Monday 13th August 23:45
Without starting any arguements could someone please tell me if that £599 cost for GT paint treatment is a ceramic coating included or merely the equivalent of the “ traditional “ autogard , gardex etc type sealant ?
If ceramic which one ?
I only ask as have been quoted in excess of £1k to have the latest GT ultra black etc applied.
If ceramic which one ?
I only ask as have been quoted in excess of £1k to have the latest GT ultra black etc applied.
your list is all personal choice so I won’t comment, but there is a major issue.... your roof is up.... Roadster rule .... roof always down Nice choice OP, congratulations!
A big yes for the PPF, if your paintwork is pristine then it will keep it that way. I bought my V8S through Aston and was quoted for Topaz to do the work which came in over £500 more than the local company who my friends and I have used on numerous occasions. Get some other quotes first from recommended companies. I won't knock Topaz's work as know plenty of people who use them and like them, I just found them quite pricey.
I'm a big fan of Gtechniq products and apply them myself to all my cars (even the commuting runabout) as keeping them clean is so easy.
Edit to add: I guess the tyre insurance means you would have to get your tyres supplied by a dealer? Search the threads on here about ditching the OEM Bridgestones.
Here's my V8S after 2k miles around Spain and a quick 30 minute wash down, front all PPF'd and Gtechniq coated.
A big yes for the PPF, if your paintwork is pristine then it will keep it that way. I bought my V8S through Aston and was quoted for Topaz to do the work which came in over £500 more than the local company who my friends and I have used on numerous occasions. Get some other quotes first from recommended companies. I won't knock Topaz's work as know plenty of people who use them and like them, I just found them quite pricey.
I'm a big fan of Gtechniq products and apply them myself to all my cars (even the commuting runabout) as keeping them clean is so easy.
Edit to add: I guess the tyre insurance means you would have to get your tyres supplied by a dealer? Search the threads on here about ditching the OEM Bridgestones.
Here's my V8S after 2k miles around Spain and a quick 30 minute wash down, front all PPF'd and Gtechniq coated.
Edited by Big E 118 on Tuesday 14th August 10:00
alscar said:
Without starting any arguements could someone please tell me if that £599 cost for GT paint treatment is a ceramic coating included or merely the equivalent of the “ traditional “ autogard , gardex etc type sealant ?
If ceramic which one ?
I only ask as have been quoted in excess of £1k to have the latest GT ultra black etc applied.
OP should be able to tell us which one. My guess is that its Gtechniq's Crystal Light for that price. Price for their top product Crystal Serum Ultra to be applied would be more like £900 & can only be applied by a Gtechniq approved detailer. The CS Light is a ceramic type coating.If ceramic which one ?
I only ask as have been quoted in excess of £1k to have the latest GT ultra black etc applied.
Big E 118 said:
Nice choice OP, congratulations!
A big yes for the PPF, if your paintwork is pristine then it will keep it that way. I bought my V8S through Aston and was quoted for Topaz to do the work which came in over £500 more than the local company who my friends and I have used on numerous occasions. Get some other quotes first from recommended companies. I won't knock Topaz's work as know plenty of people who use them and like them, I just found them quite pricey.
I only use Topaz as i know they do the best possible job. A big yes for the PPF, if your paintwork is pristine then it will keep it that way. I bought my V8S through Aston and was quoted for Topaz to do the work which came in over £500 more than the local company who my friends and I have used on numerous occasions. Get some other quotes first from recommended companies. I won't knock Topaz's work as know plenty of people who use them and like them, I just found them quite pricey.
Edited by Big E 118 on Tuesday 14th August 10:00
It almost goes without saying though - don't accept their first quote. Definitely haggle/use any excuse as to why they should give you a discount
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