Mr JWW & Aston Martin
Discussion
Jon39 said:
Is the world going, perhaps has already gone, 'celebrity' mad ?
I think we are already there. The word 'celebrity' now includes everyone who has attained even a modicum of fame, and a 'title' that is increasingly bestowed on a wider base of individuals displaying zero talent. Celebrity status can be attributed to, for example, a famous person's sibling or partner irrespective of anything they may or may not have achieved, or, God forbid, reality TV 'stars' who can barely string a couple of coherent sentences together (checks previous sentences for spelling and grammatical errors). And we now have to endure a plethora of cheap TV shows and media articles and stories that promote these witless parasites to the masses. I could go on ....
Jon39 said:
Is the world going, perhaps has already gone, 'celebrity' mad ?
Couldn't agree more. Every man and his dog seems to think they're a celebrity these days.Some clown goes on a TV reality show for a couple of weeks and then thinks they're bigger than the Rolling Stones. The sense of entitlement with some of them is beyond belief.
Maybe the older I'm getting the less I can be arsed with shallow wannabes.
As for JWW.........I don't know the bloke, but on YouTube at least he comes across as a bit of the "big I am" in my view. Also, I doubt that AML will have secured a single sale which was attributable to him. IMHO people don't make £150k+ plus choices based on some bloke on the internet. They haven't acquired that level of wealth by being influenced in that way.
Also, for 99% of the population, I'm pretty sure that any AML, Porsche, Ferrari or Skoda is going to be a bloody good car. Some reviewers focus on stuff that really isn't relevant to the normal buyer, like whether you can get the backend out on a track.
On the other hand, not sure why I give a toss either way
Rant over
Not really sure what the fuss is here ... as long as it is made clear that the endorsement is a paid one .
Tell me flying to Monaco to be put up in a great hotel and drive the new XYZ doesn't influence how journalists write about the new car launch?
Did a certain , now bankrupt Porsche specialist in Yorkshire not always have its cars on the cover of GT Purely Porsche with the number plates replaced with the dealer name , surely endorsing the dealer ?
As long as a publisher can fill its magazines with articles based on cars borrowed from its advertisers , it is unlikely to be anything other than positive about them .
And Chris Harris doesn't want loads of followers so he can influence and earn money as a result ... He says he " blagged " some free tyres from Dunlop and published that they were " rubbish " . Well if he'd kept doing that he wouldn't have lasted long .
Thin line I think .
If you make it clear you are paid to say a product is good or review it , then fine . Otherwise, be it a free box at the horseracing or a freebee to Goodwood ,from any supplier , or a free dyno session, it is all a form of " bribery" in the looses sense of the word .
Tell me flying to Monaco to be put up in a great hotel and drive the new XYZ doesn't influence how journalists write about the new car launch?
Did a certain , now bankrupt Porsche specialist in Yorkshire not always have its cars on the cover of GT Purely Porsche with the number plates replaced with the dealer name , surely endorsing the dealer ?
As long as a publisher can fill its magazines with articles based on cars borrowed from its advertisers , it is unlikely to be anything other than positive about them .
And Chris Harris doesn't want loads of followers so he can influence and earn money as a result ... He says he " blagged " some free tyres from Dunlop and published that they were " rubbish " . Well if he'd kept doing that he wouldn't have lasted long .
Thin line I think .
If you make it clear you are paid to say a product is good or review it , then fine . Otherwise, be it a free box at the horseracing or a freebee to Goodwood ,from any supplier , or a free dyno session, it is all a form of " bribery" in the looses sense of the word .
ds666 said:
Not really sure what the fuss is here ... as long as it is made clear that the endorsement is a paid one .
This is what I don't get though if I'm honest."Some" people will endorse any old shower of s
te if they're getting paid for it. You'll never find someone telling the truth about a paid endorsement will you.That's what I like about Harry M, in my view he tells it how it is, and that's because he's not being paid by the product owner (as far as I'm aware), he's just getting lent a few motors to try out. I don't think for a minute he would tell you something was good when it wasn't, just to make sure they lent him another car.
Big Ry said:
ds666 said:
Not really sure what the fuss is here ... as long as it is made clear that the endorsement is a paid one .
This is what I don't get though if I'm honest."Some" people will endorse any old shower of s
te if they're getting paid for it. You'll never find someone telling the truth about a paid endorsement will you..
ds666 said:
I suppose if you have any sense , you pick the products you target to endorse so that you don't have to lie about them .... but money talks
You've hit the nail on the head there, however I suspect many just look at the £ sign and say what the product owner wants them to say (no doubt agreed beforehand).
‘ That's what I like about Harry M, in my view he tells it how it is, and that's because he's not being paid by the product owner (as far as I'm aware), he's just getting lent a few motors to try out. I don't think for a minute he would tell you something was good when it wasn't, just to make sure they lent him another car.’
So said Big Ry and I couldn’t agree more. Obviously not short of a few bob but doesn’t shove it in your face and manages to put more enthusiasm and honesty into his reviews than many of the others put together. They key difference seems to be that Harry can afford the lifestyle but eschews it whereas the brand ambassadors aspire to it but can’t really afford it. More fool those that support them with views or payment for faked promotion.
So said Big Ry and I couldn’t agree more. Obviously not short of a few bob but doesn’t shove it in your face and manages to put more enthusiasm and honesty into his reviews than many of the others put together. They key difference seems to be that Harry can afford the lifestyle but eschews it whereas the brand ambassadors aspire to it but can’t really afford it. More fool those that support them with views or payment for faked promotion.
TarquinMX5 said:
Doesn't this sum up our modern 'bling' society?
During the pandemic, there has obviously been less spending on consumer goods. I wonder if some people might realise they really don't need a lot of the 'stuff', which they accumulated in the past.
Some must have had quite a reawakening, but probably many will just want to carry on buying bling as before.
0% PCP anyone?
Jon39 said:
paralla said:
£25K might be chicken feed for a manufacturer or fortune 500 company. It's probably a little more significant for a private limited company in Gloucestershire.
Perhaps mixing with the set of three Zagatos and a Valkyrie friend, has given him monetary aspirations.
I was making the point, that £100,000 for a few after dinner speech words of boring nonsense, might be equally greedy.
Everyone wants to be famous while they can and financially grab whatever others will give to them.
Contrast that with the brilliant people who discover a world changing vaccine. They have to be satisfied with the salary from their employer, who in turn is then selling their product on a no-profit no-loss basis.
Is the world going, perhaps has already gone, 'celebrity' mad ?
Edited by oilit on Wednesday 24th February 19:58
EVR said:
The guy was also presenting the Maserati MC20 unveiling right? Conflict of interests much?
And Ferrari and much more: https://www.stratstone.com/blog/who-is-mr-jww/Simpo Two said:
And Ferrari and much more: https://www.stratstone.com/blog/who-is-mr-jww/
Looks like they used the word bonafiedI just saw this, have not watched yet. But looks interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y8wNucrbC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y8wNucrbC4
Much more interesting to watch than You tube pseudo influences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEfxUeRVhwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEfxUeRVhwc
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