V8V Fast road/ track build
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Robinreliantreggie said:
So the car is now finished in my eyes and I’ve been offered a v12 vantage by my friend.
Should I sell this and go for the v12?
Medium sized answer: see about reverting to a more normal setup and selling the parts
Long answer: recurrent joke on here that V8 owners should never test drive a V12 as they'll see what they really want and forget they have a superb car already.
JohnG1 said:
Robinreliantreggie said:
So the car is now finished in my eyes and I’ve been offered a v12 vantage by my friend.
Should I sell this and go for the v12?
Medium sized answer: see about reverting to a more normal setup and selling the parts
Long answer: recurrent joke on here that V8 owners should never test drive a V12 as they'll see what they really want and forget they have a superb car already.
Graze
Graze01 said:
JohnG1 said:
Robinreliantreggie said:
So the car is now finished in my eyes and I’ve been offered a v12 vantage by my friend.
Should I sell this and go for the v12?
Medium sized answer: see about reverting to a more normal setup and selling the parts
Long answer: recurrent joke on here that V8 owners should never test drive a V12 as they'll see what they really want and forget they have a superb car already.
Graze
Few parts up for sale gents
I’ve sold the car so these are up for sale:
Full GT4 brake kit with road car adaptions, will fit all vantages
£2500 for the whole kit. These are near £7000 new
Also have spares to go with the kit
Wheels with the tyres
£1500
Straight through exhausts off a gt4 car
Will fit 4.3 & 4.7
£500
I’ve sold the car so these are up for sale:
Full GT4 brake kit with road car adaptions, will fit all vantages
£2500 for the whole kit. These are near £7000 new
Also have spares to go with the kit
Wheels with the tyres
£1500
Straight through exhausts off a gt4 car
Will fit 4.3 & 4.7
£500
cypriot said:
I will play devils advocate here... I test drove the v12 and the v8. Bought the v8! Yes, the v12 is a wonderful thing, but for how I use my car, the v8 was better suited. How do I use my car? Hard. Track days and fast road. ....
Tell me the secret. How are you able to drive your V8 hard?
It is suggested that mine now has about 450 bhp.
I accelerate for a only a few seconds in 2nd gear, change into 3rd and immediately I am driving at an illegal speed.
I have only used half the gearbox. There are still three more gears left, but I back off.
Obviously different when track driving, but I fail to see the reason for a road car with 600/700 bhp.
The words use it and licence, do not seem to be compatible.
I agree with Dewi on the power available.
I had a 2007 roadster with 380bhp. So, the slowest and least capable of the previous generation Vantage, and it was always an object lesson on restraint. Amble along at 50mph or so, I put my foot down and in no time at all I am at 100mph and way beyond. The car felt and sounded great but it would have cost me my license if I was not careful. How people can use 600bhp / 700bhp on the road is beyond me. Maybe a Vantage geared more acceleration rather than top speed might be more fun to use. Say 130mph top speed and 0-100 in 8 seconds.130mph is still way more than you could ever use safely on the road. Who uses or needs 175mph (in the slowest car in the whole range)?
I have a Lotus Elise that I thrash about in and while I can still do silly speeds in it, I can also have real fun at sensible speeds. I really think that when driving, acceleration, braking and quick direction changes are more useful and rewarding than the top speed.
I am not saying this as some fun killing pedant. I love cars and I love driving fast - often faster than I should, but there are illegal speeds and there are really dangerous speeds. Modern cars do such a wonderful job of insulating us from the rest of the environment that we often don't get any feedback from them until we are at triple digit speeds. Give these cars 600+ bhp and we have a whole load of pointless cars.
I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
I had a 2007 roadster with 380bhp. So, the slowest and least capable of the previous generation Vantage, and it was always an object lesson on restraint. Amble along at 50mph or so, I put my foot down and in no time at all I am at 100mph and way beyond. The car felt and sounded great but it would have cost me my license if I was not careful. How people can use 600bhp / 700bhp on the road is beyond me. Maybe a Vantage geared more acceleration rather than top speed might be more fun to use. Say 130mph top speed and 0-100 in 8 seconds.130mph is still way more than you could ever use safely on the road. Who uses or needs 175mph (in the slowest car in the whole range)?
I have a Lotus Elise that I thrash about in and while I can still do silly speeds in it, I can also have real fun at sensible speeds. I really think that when driving, acceleration, braking and quick direction changes are more useful and rewarding than the top speed.
I am not saying this as some fun killing pedant. I love cars and I love driving fast - often faster than I should, but there are illegal speeds and there are really dangerous speeds. Modern cars do such a wonderful job of insulating us from the rest of the environment that we often don't get any feedback from them until we are at triple digit speeds. Give these cars 600+ bhp and we have a whole load of pointless cars.
I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
johnymac said:
I agree with Dewi on the power available.
I had a 2007 roadster with 380bhp. So, the slowest and least capable of the previous generation Vantage, and it was always an object lesson on restraint. Amble along at 50mph or so, I put my foot down and in no time at all I am at 100mph and way beyond. The car felt and sounded great but it would have cost me my license if I was not careful. How people can use 600bhp / 700bhp on the road is beyond me. Maybe a Vantage geared more acceleration rather than top speed might be more fun to use. Say 130mph top speed and 0-100 in 8 seconds.130mph is still way more than you could ever use safely on the road. Who uses or needs 175mph (in the slowest car in the whole range)?
I have a Lotus Elise that I thrash about in and while I can still do silly speeds in it, I can also have real fun at sensible speeds. I really think that when driving, acceleration, braking and quick direction changes are more useful and rewarding than the top speed.
I am not saying this as some fun killing pedant. I love cars and I love driving fast - often faster than I should, but there are illegal speeds and there are really dangerous speeds. Modern cars do such a wonderful job of insulating us from the rest of the environment that we often don't get any feedback from them until we are at triple digit speeds. Give these cars 600+ bhp and we have a whole load of pointless cars.
I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
What im reading here is that all V12 ownes with around 600bhp are going to ruin it for everyone else, amazing how its only V8 owners who have this thought or reasoning. Come on get a grip, your every day Ford Focus can reach 130mph or even 150mph is a warm one, and your Lotus Elise is just as quick and could have your licence relieved from you by Plod. You dont have to put your foot down from 50mph and be at 100mph, you have the control, its not something that automatically happens without your input.I had a 2007 roadster with 380bhp. So, the slowest and least capable of the previous generation Vantage, and it was always an object lesson on restraint. Amble along at 50mph or so, I put my foot down and in no time at all I am at 100mph and way beyond. The car felt and sounded great but it would have cost me my license if I was not careful. How people can use 600bhp / 700bhp on the road is beyond me. Maybe a Vantage geared more acceleration rather than top speed might be more fun to use. Say 130mph top speed and 0-100 in 8 seconds.130mph is still way more than you could ever use safely on the road. Who uses or needs 175mph (in the slowest car in the whole range)?
I have a Lotus Elise that I thrash about in and while I can still do silly speeds in it, I can also have real fun at sensible speeds. I really think that when driving, acceleration, braking and quick direction changes are more useful and rewarding than the top speed.
I am not saying this as some fun killing pedant. I love cars and I love driving fast - often faster than I should, but there are illegal speeds and there are really dangerous speeds. Modern cars do such a wonderful job of insulating us from the rest of the environment that we often don't get any feedback from them until we are at triple digit speeds. Give these cars 600+ bhp and we have a whole load of pointless cars.
I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
phumy said:
What im reading here is that all V12 ownes with around 600bhp are going to ruin it for everyone else, amazing how its only V8 owners who have this thought or reasoning. Come on get a grip, your every day Ford Focus can reach 130mph or even 150mph is a warm one, and your Lotus Elise is just as quick and could have your licence relieved from you by Plod. You dont have to put your foot down from 50mph and be at 100mph, you have the control, its not something that automatically happens without your input.
I largely agree with what say - even mundane cars can reach silly speeds. I also have a Vauxhall Corsa sting with a whopping 75bhp, and I am astonished at the rate it can cover ground with a lot less horsepower than Triumph Vitesse.You are of course right that control is the key ( I haven't yet lost my license !) It's just that cars are getting faster and more powerful at a rate not seen before. Whereas I could occasionally floor the throttle on my 380bhp Aston for a few seconds and get away with it, I doubt I could do the same in a car with nearly twice the power. For me, having a car that I could not exploit full power under any circumstances at any time, would be pointless.
Having said all that, I wouldn't say no to a V12 Vantage roadster on my drive!
johnymac said:
... I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
Not long before that. All cars manufactured after 6th July this year, I think.
Initially can switch it off each time the engine is started, but if anything seriously nasty happens, insurers will be checking the diagnostic system and could decline claims.
Big brother is getting bigger. We will still have our pre-July cars to enjoy though.
Hello officer. "I wouldn't even think about exceeding any speed limits anyway."
Its quite clear that different folks want different power - enough for some is too much for others and not enough for the rest .
What makes me laugh is someone who has a standard V8 , tuning it and then going on about how " now that it is 450bhp I don't know why you'd want anymore "
Torque is the biggest advantage the v12 has over the v8 . You don't need to rev it to make progress. But if you do rev it ...
What makes me laugh is someone who has a standard V8 , tuning it and then going on about how " now that it is 450bhp I don't know why you'd want anymore "
Torque is the biggest advantage the v12 has over the v8 . You don't need to rev it to make progress. But if you do rev it ...
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