DBR22 V12

[Beckson]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-as...


Suprised no one else posted this so posted a link.

[Minglar]

Beckson said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-as...


Suprised no one else posted this so posted a link.

You just beat me to it! I was literally about to post the same link, after I checked to see if there was already an existing thread.

I guess this is the “special” car (other than V12VR) due for release at Pebble Beach this Friday? The interior/dash looks a little different, perhaps an indication of where AM are heading with Vantage refresh?

ETA I removed the TG link as it now appears to be broken. Have they got in trouble with AM for releasing it before 19th August?!

Best Regards

Minglar

Edited by Minglar on Monday 15th August 16:45

[volvodrummer]

I love it. Very elegant IMO. I also agree that this tips off what's to come. These are likely the headlights of the "refresh" Vantage and/or DB11. Same goes for the overall shape, and interior.

[Simpo Two]

I like the stance of it, and there's nothing obviously offensive about it that spoils so may car designs. Great colour too; nice to see green back in fashion.

But £1.5M is daft. Why don't they make something that shape, or similar, and add it to the DB range?

[Wayne95]

I like it.

Interior design much cleaner than Vantage, and the front looks much better. I'm not quite at the £1.5m end of the market, but if these design cues come down to V8 Vantage level it could well get some of my hard earned...

Although Stroll may well then make that ultra-luxury and boost the price

[Neil1300r]

Beckson said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-as...


Suprised no one else posted this so posted a link.

Look in GG. There is a PH article on it

[RichB]

As someone who 4 years ago was very critical of the frontal aspect of Vantage (as Marek Reichman called it) I must say this is a really good looking design. If they graft this front end onto Vantage and V12 Vantage they could be on to a real winner.
Images are all over the internet so I'll post one here.

Edited by RichB on Monday 15th August 23:00

[Beckson]

ya agree 100% that hopefully design elements carry into the refresh. But hard to say....

[Simpo Two]

Hold on, reality check time.

'The DBR22 design concept, which is making its public debut at Monterey Car Week in California, is the latest in a line of radical, low-volume V12 creations out of Gaydon’s Q branch, following the likes of the Vulcan, Vantage V600 and one-off Victor.'

So - and the delivery of Christian Bale's Ken Miles in 'Le Mans 66' comes to mind - how much actual profit has Aston Martin made from these cars? Are they money-spinners creaming the super-rich, or unsustainable fantasies living on borrowed time?

[67Dino]

RichB said:

As someone who 4 years was very critical of the frontal aspect of Vantage (as Marek Reichman called it) I must say this is a really good looking design. If they graft this front end onto Vantage and V12 Vantage they could be on to a real winner.
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Totally agree. Really handsome blend of retro and modern.

[Bobajobbob]

Lights are an improvement and no unsightly panel gaps. I echo comments above that I hope these elements filter down to Vantage.

[EVR]

Nice, I don't usually like speedsters and in general modern no-windshield cars, but this one is very pretty. Those lights are ace, they feel modern but also classic (I am thinking DB5/6) at the same time.

[Jon39]

Two cars announced.

March 2020 ....... V12 Speedster.
August 2022 ...... DBR22.

Confused. Can anyone explain ?

[pbe624]

See other comments on PH. Interior looks the same as the previous 'special' speedster... maybe some chassis were left over.

[RL17]

Basically a special edition of a special edition.

Much better front end - massive price hike and only 10 to try to differentiate from Speedster (and stop this one from cannibal using earlier sales)- LM 59 type name and inspiration (as nothing to shout about in 100 years of GP).

Plus should be able to get to market much quicker. And hopefully reduce loss or costs on Speedster due to delays/ inflation etc ( no idea if they’ve been built or delivered yet)

Great design - interior waterfall and centre tunnel area all too familiar though

[Minglar]

RL17 said:

Basically a special edition of a special edition.

Much better front end - massive price hike and only 10 to try to differentiate from Speedster (and stop this one from cannibal using earlier sales)- LM 59 type name and inspiration (as nothing to shout about in 100 years of GP).

Plus should be able to get to market much quicker. And hopefully reduce loss or costs on Speedster due to delays/ inflation etc ( no idea if they’ve been built or delivered yet)

Great design - interior waterfall and centre tunnel area all too familiar though

The cynic in me says it’s a ploy to get more deposits out of more well heeled “ultra luxury appreciating” potential customers, although admittedly the production run is tiny, so the numbers for the business will be small. The feedback on the PH GG thread isn’t that great, but I guess that’s to be expected. The lights look somewhat reminiscent of early Jaguar F Type to me, and the interior doesn’t look to dissimilar to V12 Speedster, which cost half of this. It will be interesting to see if any of the design cues from this car filter down to the upgrade of new Vantage. Will we all have to call that one new new Vantage?!

We shall see I guess.

Best Regards

Minglar

[RichB]

Minglar said:

<clip> interesting to see if any of the design cues from this car filter down to the upgrade of new Vantage. Will we all have to call that one new new Vantage?!

Aston Martin really do have an issue with nomenclature of their cars. Even as far back as mine there was a hash because the DB3 followed the DB2 but was before the DB2/4 after which there was the DB3S then the DB2/4 Marks II & III. The later was, of course shortened to DB MkIII to simplify it yet that causes further confusion because of the former DB3

By contrast there have been four series of the Boxster and Porsche people just refer to them by model number without confusion.

[Jon39]

Minglar said:

The cynic in me says it’s a ploy to get more deposits out of more well heeled “ultra luxury appreciating” potential customers, although admittedly the production run is tiny, so the numbers for the business will be small. ...

Would there be much demand for cars without a windscreen and roof ? When cars suffer stone chips, probably helmet and goggles would be sensible attire for every drive.

Motorcyclists might say what are you worried about ?
Having watched a motorcyclist yesterday on a 'Smart' section of the M25, use all four lanes to over and undertake traffic, some of which was inconveniently only travelling at 70 mph, perhaps I am being too risk averse !!

Of the 88 Speedsters planned, 6 have been registered in Great Britain. How many worldwide, who knows?

My guess is that AML might not have sold 88, so moved on with the same concept to the DBR22. I think someone mentioned at double the price. Does that make it more desirable, therefore increasing demand ?

Strange that there are now two models, which are so similar.

Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 16th August 12:05

[LTP]

RichB said:

<snip>
By contrast there have been four series of the Boxster and Porsche people just refer to them by model number without confusion.

Didn't do such a good job with the 911, though
G-series, replaced by 964, then 993, then 996, then 996.2, then 997 (OK I'll give them that), then 997.2, then 991 (What? Let's do the time warp again), 991.2, then back to logic with the 992

On the Boxster they also had a Marty McFly moment in 2012 when they replaced the 987 with the 981. Oh, and in 2016 "Boxster" with 718 (which was actually a 982).

[AlexT]

Can you imagine if AM focused similar effort into the design of their core range?

Looks excellent.