Alfa Mito Twin Air?
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I'm looking at replacing my shed Ka with something a bit newer. I've already asked about the Fiat 500 Twin Air elsewhere in this sub-forum, but the Mito is really taking my interest now. I know it's very similar underneath, though a touch slower than the 500 (extra weight?).
Are there any Mito specific points I should look out for on the 2016/early 2017 models? I've seen a few sub 40k mile examples within budget (£8-8.5k), some are the facelift model and just squeeze into the £0 VED bank for being registered before 1 April 2017.
One thing I do need is that the rear seat folds down: It's not obvious from the photos, though a few cars I can clearly see a split rear back rest, which makes me think those ones must fold down. There are many that look like a full backrest as shown below. This isn't a problem so long as it does fold down, but I can't find mention of it in any advert details, so any Mito buffs who know the answer I would appreciate if you can confirm.
The car above is a 'Super' on a 66 plate/2017, but I've also seen a QV Line that has great spec (including the rare heated seats) with the same looking back seat.
Is there much difference between QV line and Super (or any other specs of 2016/2017 models)? Seems mainly cosmetic, but if the QV line has a firmer suspension, then maybe that would steer me towards a Super instead.
Are there any Mito specific points I should look out for on the 2016/early 2017 models? I've seen a few sub 40k mile examples within budget (£8-8.5k), some are the facelift model and just squeeze into the £0 VED bank for being registered before 1 April 2017.
One thing I do need is that the rear seat folds down: It's not obvious from the photos, though a few cars I can clearly see a split rear back rest, which makes me think those ones must fold down. There are many that look like a full backrest as shown below. This isn't a problem so long as it does fold down, but I can't find mention of it in any advert details, so any Mito buffs who know the answer I would appreciate if you can confirm.
The car above is a 'Super' on a 66 plate/2017, but I've also seen a QV Line that has great spec (including the rare heated seats) with the same looking back seat.
Is there much difference between QV line and Super (or any other specs of 2016/2017 models)? Seems mainly cosmetic, but if the QV line has a firmer suspension, then maybe that would steer me towards a Super instead.
I can only provide advice on our 2012 Mito 1.3JTDM Sprint that we’ve owned for 8 trouble free years.
The seat base in the rear flips up provided the front seats aren’t too far back and the backrest comes down in 1 piece. It really does create a decent load space.
The ride in ours is acceptable and it’s been totally reliable with the mileage approaching 88k. We do however have it serviced every 6-10k miles at 12 monthly intervals. We also changed the gearbox oil and coolant at 50k.
Based on my experience, I can’t rate them highly enough.
The seat base in the rear flips up provided the front seats aren’t too far back and the backrest comes down in 1 piece. It really does create a decent load space.
The ride in ours is acceptable and it’s been totally reliable with the mileage approaching 88k. We do however have it serviced every 6-10k miles at 12 monthly intervals. We also changed the gearbox oil and coolant at 50k.
Based on my experience, I can’t rate them highly enough.
Thanks Rob; good to know. I found an Alfa forum that has PDFs of brochures, price lists and other 'how to' documents, so I've gleaned a lot from that too. Though you're the only one to confirm about the back seat, so that's good to know. I currently use my Ka if I'm playing a gig and can just about fit my guitar/amp in the boot, but being able to fold the seats allows if I take extra stuff. I think the Mito boot looks a similar size, so should be OK. Might find a local one to try a guitar case in it to check though.
I did wonder about the ride, especially on the 17" wheels some of the possible cars have. So long as it's not bone shaking then I'll be OK. Will have to see how I like driving one, though I guess it's going to be a tighter, quicker version of my Ka being loosely similar underneath.
I've found a few for sale with under 40k miles and the last of the £0 VED. My plan would be to do all my own servicing (with the correct grade of oil, since I read that is critical). I've also seen a 'how to' of the multi-air strainer replacement which looks easy enough to change, so I'll be doing that ASAP on any car I buy, plus an oil change. I'd do the gearbox and coolant too (as I did on my Ka, even though it's a cheap shed). Knowing me it'll get a top to bottom/front to back check over and clean to make sure it's all up to scratch as I plan to keep this a while, hence looking for the newest/low mileage ones I can find to pick from.
I did wonder about the ride, especially on the 17" wheels some of the possible cars have. So long as it's not bone shaking then I'll be OK. Will have to see how I like driving one, though I guess it's going to be a tighter, quicker version of my Ka being loosely similar underneath.
I've found a few for sale with under 40k miles and the last of the £0 VED. My plan would be to do all my own servicing (with the correct grade of oil, since I read that is critical). I've also seen a 'how to' of the multi-air strainer replacement which looks easy enough to change, so I'll be doing that ASAP on any car I buy, plus an oil change. I'd do the gearbox and coolant too (as I did on my Ka, even though it's a cheap shed). Knowing me it'll get a top to bottom/front to back check over and clean to make sure it's all up to scratch as I plan to keep this a while, hence looking for the newest/low mileage ones I can find to pick from.
Finally got to have a test drive of one of these today. Wasn't a great example once I saw it in person (amazing how advert photos can deceive), but they got it out for me to look at and just about insisted I took it for a test drive. No one came with me, so I had a nice long drive and can say I really like how the feel and go, despite this being a sorry example. Sure it's not a road burner, but it makes a great sound as the revs go up and it feels nippy enough (especially compared to my old shed Ka that I drove there in).
The clutch felt light, but engaged almost as soon as it came off the floor: I guess this one could be worn out, so hopefully not typical other than the light weight (my Ka is a bit heavy in comparison)?
I've lined up a (hopefully) better condition private sale one in my preferred red colour; Sportiva spec which seems to have most things I would like (today's one was a QV). Any Mito has a lot of extra bits and pieces that my Ka doesn't have, so seems luxurious in comparison anyway. I only found one Mito with heated seats for sale, so I'm not bothered about holding out for that option. DAB would be nice, but then I realise that I mostly listen to my own memory stick in the car. Full climate would be nice, but again quite rare, so I can live with (working) manual air con as per the Ka.
Hope to be following up on here with some post purchase photos, but the seller is away for a few weeks, so I'll have to wait. Probably not a bad thing as I tend to get a bit obsessive when looking for a 'new' car so I'm a bit tired out from all the looking and due diligence on every possible example I find in budget.
I've also got my RS2000 that I should really be working on now I've cleared my garage (for the 6th time since I retired!!!!).
Appreciate any feedback about the clutch, but I think that was a poor example.
The clutch felt light, but engaged almost as soon as it came off the floor: I guess this one could be worn out, so hopefully not typical other than the light weight (my Ka is a bit heavy in comparison)?
I've lined up a (hopefully) better condition private sale one in my preferred red colour; Sportiva spec which seems to have most things I would like (today's one was a QV). Any Mito has a lot of extra bits and pieces that my Ka doesn't have, so seems luxurious in comparison anyway. I only found one Mito with heated seats for sale, so I'm not bothered about holding out for that option. DAB would be nice, but then I realise that I mostly listen to my own memory stick in the car. Full climate would be nice, but again quite rare, so I can live with (working) manual air con as per the Ka.
Hope to be following up on here with some post purchase photos, but the seller is away for a few weeks, so I'll have to wait. Probably not a bad thing as I tend to get a bit obsessive when looking for a 'new' car so I'm a bit tired out from all the looking and due diligence on every possible example I find in budget.
I've also got my RS2000 that I should really be working on now I've cleared my garage (for the 6th time since I retired!!!!).Appreciate any feedback about the clutch, but I think that was a poor example.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Personally I'd want to see at the very least annual service history for a twin air. Does it have 5+ stamps?
The next one has indeed got full service history, lots of other receipts, etc. The seller has been great sending extra photos of some trivial scuffs, but it does show willingness to be fully open as it's a bit of a trek to go to look at this one. All seems more promising than today's one in condition terms, though should drive at least as well.Any comment about the clutch action on the one I drove today? Can't believe it's typical, though I'm not sure if the clutch is cable or hydraulic on these. I know when I flushed and bled my Ka clutch it was much better.
StescoG66 said:
BTW MiTo is on the Punto/Corsa platform rather that the Panda/500 one your Ka is on
Thanks, I'd only recently discovered this as I thought the connection was closer than this. I suppose it was thinking that Ka=500 and since the 500 has the Twin Air engine, I'd kind of linked them due to that. Funny that I've never really considered a Punto or a Corsa for myself (looked at Corsas for my son last year, but a better Fiesta came up first).I did notice that the petrol cap is the same as the one on the Ka though: The dealer couldn't get the key back out/lock it after he put some petrol in for my test drive so I had to do it.
Still wondering about the clutch action on that one I drove: There are a couple of TA not so far away as the one I'm going to view in two week's time (as the owner is away until then) and I'd hate to wait until then and have a long drive only to find that 'they are all like that sir'. I missed out on a red Junior less than 10 miles from me, but it's still being advertised, so I might ring them again and see if the sale fell through.
Meanwhile I've had a new windscreen put in my Ka ready for it's early MOT next week, so it'll be all ready to advertise if I buy the private sale one in a few weeks time.
We had a 2009 1.4 MiTo 155hp for 9 years and did about 90k miles in it. Overall it was reliable (never had an engine light on for instance) but it did chew through top mounts. We also ended up getting rid due to rust, the subframe was rotten through and with a few other jobs it was no longer economically viable.
The car was practical and great fun, just not that comfortable on long trips due to the seats. The engine was good, punchy yet easily returned 40+mpg on a run.
I'd recommend them, but check it over for rust first and make sure it is comfortable enough to live with.
The car was practical and great fun, just not that comfortable on long trips due to the seats. The engine was good, punchy yet easily returned 40+mpg on a run.
I'd recommend them, but check it over for rust first and make sure it is comfortable enough to live with.
Cheers Mike: I thought the days of rusty Alfas were long gone, so I'll give it a thorough check over underneath, then probably Lanoguard it each year. It'll be a second car and mostly shorter local trips, so judging from the test drive I had last week it's more comfortable than my current Ka, so that's an improvement.
I'd better put top mounts on the checklist/possible jobs to do after purchase too. Thanks.
I'd better put top mounts on the checklist/possible jobs to do after purchase too. Thanks.
I'm knocking about in my daughters 1.4 135hp at the mo.
I got it for her as a first car, it's been reliable but typically things have broken, buttons on the heater made from the cheapest plastic in existence, window regulator has just started playing up. Not insurmountable though.
Mito is NCAP 5 star rated which was reassuring for my kid.
It rides hard on firm springs so long journeys are fatiguing but it's a short wheelbase runabout so no surprises. In it's defence it handles very well, holds corners like a limpet and brakes are good. It is fun, put the dna switch in dynamic and it livens up, makes a nice growl too. My daughter was spoilt but hey.
I picked one with the Pelle Frau leather seats which are rather nice and comfy but the car isn't built for long journeys.
I changed springs, top mounts, brakes and tyres all round when I got it at 35k miles. They were all worn out. Oil service is important for these as well as the twin air engines and they're sensitive to regular changes with the correct stuff too. Beware neglected servicing.
I like it and it didn't break the bank but I like Alfas anyway
I got it for her as a first car, it's been reliable but typically things have broken, buttons on the heater made from the cheapest plastic in existence, window regulator has just started playing up. Not insurmountable though.
Mito is NCAP 5 star rated which was reassuring for my kid.
It rides hard on firm springs so long journeys are fatiguing but it's a short wheelbase runabout so no surprises. In it's defence it handles very well, holds corners like a limpet and brakes are good. It is fun, put the dna switch in dynamic and it livens up, makes a nice growl too. My daughter was spoilt but hey.
I picked one with the Pelle Frau leather seats which are rather nice and comfy but the car isn't built for long journeys.
I changed springs, top mounts, brakes and tyres all round when I got it at 35k miles. They were all worn out. Oil service is important for these as well as the twin air engines and they're sensitive to regular changes with the correct stuff too. Beware neglected servicing.
I like it and it didn't break the bank but I like Alfas anyway
Pepperpots said:
I changed springs, top mounts, brakes and tyres all round when I got it at 35k miles. They were all worn out. Oil service is important for these as well as the twin air engines and they're sensitive to regular changes with the correct stuff too. Beware neglected servicing.
I like it and it didn't break the bank but I like Alfas anyway
I'm looking at some around similar mileage. My plan is to check the service history to make sure oil changes have at least been done on time, but then to do an oil change with the correct grade and also replace the twin air strainer. The one I'm looking at has a decent service history, but I'll check in more detail when I view it too.I like it and it didn't break the bank but I like Alfas anyway
Hoping to view the private sale one this weekend after the owner comes back from holiday. I've looked at loads on line in the meantime, wavering between this one and other examples, or just going for something more boring, but common (hence more choice). Granted the Mito isn't a Ferrari, but it seems to have a bit of character about it that even the ropey/smelly one I drove didn't put me off. Since this is our second car, to replace the shed Ka, then I keep thinking that maybe I don't need to spend so much (since I'm retired and not a PH director type 
).
I found a low mileage, but FSH Cat N one, but as soon as I asked for some background on what caused the Cat N status I didn't hear anything back. Scratch that. Shame because a decent saving over most, looked good in the photos and MOT history had no nasty surprises. I've repaired cars myself in the past, so the idea didn't scare me off provided I knew the background. I suspect there was more to it than they wanted to discuss, or just hoping that some mug would buy it and not understand what Cat N even means...
I found some older, slightly higher mileage one, in lower spec to try to cut costs a bit, though always too far away for a quick look. A Junior came up nearby for a grand less than the one I'm due to see, but sold before I got to look at it. Shame as it would have been good to try a decent example to confirm that the clutch oddities on the last test drive weren't typical.
There is a cheaper one at a dealer near to the private sale one, which would at least give me a second chance to make the long drive more worthwhile, though it's a lower spec and higher mileage, possibly less full history too, which puts me off a bit. Will see how I feel over the weekend.
My gut feeling is that the private sale one is a really good example, but a bit overpriced. I'll forget the price after a few months and hopefully have a great example to enjoy for a long time if I look after it. My only worry is whether I'll decide I want rid of it in a year or so for some reason and then having paid over the odds and stopped the FSH by DIY servicing, then I'll take a bath. Time will tell I suppose.
I'll update the thread next week, with photos if I go ahead and can make a deal. Thanks for the feedback I've had and things to watch for.
PS. The Ka passed it's MOT with a couple of minor advisories that I will sort before I try to sell it, once I've got a replacement for it.
).I found a low mileage, but FSH Cat N one, but as soon as I asked for some background on what caused the Cat N status I didn't hear anything back. Scratch that. Shame because a decent saving over most, looked good in the photos and MOT history had no nasty surprises. I've repaired cars myself in the past, so the idea didn't scare me off provided I knew the background. I suspect there was more to it than they wanted to discuss, or just hoping that some mug would buy it and not understand what Cat N even means...
I found some older, slightly higher mileage one, in lower spec to try to cut costs a bit, though always too far away for a quick look. A Junior came up nearby for a grand less than the one I'm due to see, but sold before I got to look at it. Shame as it would have been good to try a decent example to confirm that the clutch oddities on the last test drive weren't typical.
There is a cheaper one at a dealer near to the private sale one, which would at least give me a second chance to make the long drive more worthwhile, though it's a lower spec and higher mileage, possibly less full history too, which puts me off a bit. Will see how I feel over the weekend.
My gut feeling is that the private sale one is a really good example, but a bit overpriced. I'll forget the price after a few months and hopefully have a great example to enjoy for a long time if I look after it. My only worry is whether I'll decide I want rid of it in a year or so for some reason and then having paid over the odds and stopped the FSH by DIY servicing, then I'll take a bath. Time will tell I suppose.
I'll update the thread next week, with photos if I go ahead and can make a deal. Thanks for the feedback I've had and things to watch for.
PS. The Ka passed it's MOT with a couple of minor advisories that I will sort before I try to sell it, once I've got a replacement for it.
Edited by OldSkoolRS on Wednesday 5th April 20:09
I have a facelift 'Super' on an 18 plate.
I found the specs/trim levels to be all over the place with Mitos, particularly the later ones. From what I could tell a lot of it seemed to focus on actual colour/trim differences, so things like the mirror caps, lamp surrounds, wheels etc, rather than equipment levels, but even then I found 'Supers' that aesthetically looked simliar to a 'Veloce' for example. I think it may have got to a point where they just fitted whatever they had in the factory towards the end.
Super is fairly well specced, AC, Cruise, the later cars are fitted with the uconnect 5 inch touch screen, which is really easy to use, has DAB, and does a decent job of bluetooth music off my phone.
Drives nice and handles well, the ride can be a little jarring, but I've had worse. Mine is a short distance commuter, but I often do Midlands to South Wales in mine, and I feel fine afterwards. The electric power steering is a little numb, but again, you get used to it. As far as I'm aware only the actual QVs and maybe the Veloces got the fancy suspension.
The only thing the DNA switch does in the TwinAir is give you different power outputs, mine is left in dynamic all the time as you get the full 105hp, it's quite a noticeable difference from Normal, and you aren't really taking any economical hit. As for economy, they aren't amazing, but not terrible, I average between 40-42 mpg, and can get late 50s on a long run.
The engine is an acquired taste, not particularly refined, but a characterful unit. When people have asked me about it I tend to describe it as it drives a bit like a diesel, with peak torque quite low.
Mine is at 32,000 miles, the clutch feels 'normal' to me, not notably light or heavy, and compared to other cars I have driven I can't say I've found the bite point odd. Note that all TwinAir Mitos are fitted with a Dual Mass Flywheel, some of these have been known to fail very early, so it's worth looking out for any tell tale signs of this, or history that its already been replaced.
On servicing, annual/10k servicing is a must, not the 18k in the schedule. They are particular about oil, and also there was a change of spec of the recommended oil between Euro 5 and Euro 6 cars. There is also a small UniAir oil strainer/filter, which is part of the hydraulic valve system which isnt part of the service schedule at all, but these can over time become clogged with older/thicker oil and need to be kept clean.
Random things I quite like, no anti crash/lane keep/camera/adaptive crap, when you put it in Dynamic it remembers next time you start, and likewise if you have the start stop system turned off, it remembers that too (Later cars only I believe).
It's a lovely little car that goes well, and for me fulfills the brief that I had. Although I must admit I do have a hankering for a late 170 Veloce!
Hope all that helps
I found the specs/trim levels to be all over the place with Mitos, particularly the later ones. From what I could tell a lot of it seemed to focus on actual colour/trim differences, so things like the mirror caps, lamp surrounds, wheels etc, rather than equipment levels, but even then I found 'Supers' that aesthetically looked simliar to a 'Veloce' for example. I think it may have got to a point where they just fitted whatever they had in the factory towards the end.
Super is fairly well specced, AC, Cruise, the later cars are fitted with the uconnect 5 inch touch screen, which is really easy to use, has DAB, and does a decent job of bluetooth music off my phone.
Drives nice and handles well, the ride can be a little jarring, but I've had worse. Mine is a short distance commuter, but I often do Midlands to South Wales in mine, and I feel fine afterwards. The electric power steering is a little numb, but again, you get used to it. As far as I'm aware only the actual QVs and maybe the Veloces got the fancy suspension.
The only thing the DNA switch does in the TwinAir is give you different power outputs, mine is left in dynamic all the time as you get the full 105hp, it's quite a noticeable difference from Normal, and you aren't really taking any economical hit. As for economy, they aren't amazing, but not terrible, I average between 40-42 mpg, and can get late 50s on a long run.
The engine is an acquired taste, not particularly refined, but a characterful unit. When people have asked me about it I tend to describe it as it drives a bit like a diesel, with peak torque quite low.
Mine is at 32,000 miles, the clutch feels 'normal' to me, not notably light or heavy, and compared to other cars I have driven I can't say I've found the bite point odd. Note that all TwinAir Mitos are fitted with a Dual Mass Flywheel, some of these have been known to fail very early, so it's worth looking out for any tell tale signs of this, or history that its already been replaced.
On servicing, annual/10k servicing is a must, not the 18k in the schedule. They are particular about oil, and also there was a change of spec of the recommended oil between Euro 5 and Euro 6 cars. There is also a small UniAir oil strainer/filter, which is part of the hydraulic valve system which isnt part of the service schedule at all, but these can over time become clogged with older/thicker oil and need to be kept clean.
Random things I quite like, no anti crash/lane keep/camera/adaptive crap, when you put it in Dynamic it remembers next time you start, and likewise if you have the start stop system turned off, it remembers that too (Later cars only I believe).
It's a lovely little car that goes well, and for me fulfills the brief that I had. Although I must admit I do have a hankering for a late 170 Veloce!
Hope all that helps
Edited by WelshPetrolhead on Thursday 6th April 22:01
Sorry I thought I'd replied to your very useful post already, so a belated thank you.
I've found the spec/trim levels thing as you put it 'all over the place' and sometimes it's just minor cosmetic differences it seems when I read the PDFs of the original Brochures I found on Alfa Owner.
I did like the engine on the Twin Air I drove: I was a bit late in the test drive putting it into Dynamic, but even in Normal it seemed to go well enough for my modest needs. I agree with the diesel description too (which perhaps makes it feel quicker than it really is?), though I like the sound when I opened it up a bit.
I was due to look at a low mileage Sportiva spec on Monday, but it was postponed for various reasons by mutual agreement. Not off the table, but it's made me re-appraise the whole idea.
I keep reminding myself that it is to replace my current shed and not my main car, though I do drive the shed most days and the main car only occasionally for longer trips. The shed is used for parking at places I wouldn't want to take our main car and lots of local/short trips. My wife likes not having to worry about driving the shed Ka and a tidy/more expensive Alfa might become more of a worry too, especially a Sportiva with 18" wheels around our pot holed roads. I'm now tempted to buy an older/scruffier or even Cat N Mito then it would be more of a shed replacement, than a second 'nice car'.
Seems to be a few around that suit this new criteria, though I'm then concerned about how reliable these examples might be since they rarely come with any history. Wondering if just buying one that drives and looks good, then giving it a really thorough service (myself) ASAP after purchase, including replacing the Twin Air strainer and fresh oil/filter of the correct grade would be worth the risk? Are they really that fragile that if it doesn't have FSH from Alfa (or a specialist) that I should 'run a mile' as some of the buyers guides suggest?
Otherwise it's hard to find something that seems even vaguely interesting if I look away from the Mito: Anything with a VED of more than the Ka at £30 (now £35) a year is out of contention as I can't justify £150 a year for less than 4000 miles motoring, especially when we pay £180 for the main car already. The Mito just seemed to fill a useful slot as being quick enough, capable of the occasional motorway trip if I play a gig further away and being cheap to tax and insure.
As if it knew; the Ka was running a bit lumpy when I went out in it today.
I've found the spec/trim levels thing as you put it 'all over the place' and sometimes it's just minor cosmetic differences it seems when I read the PDFs of the original Brochures I found on Alfa Owner.
I did like the engine on the Twin Air I drove: I was a bit late in the test drive putting it into Dynamic, but even in Normal it seemed to go well enough for my modest needs. I agree with the diesel description too (which perhaps makes it feel quicker than it really is?), though I like the sound when I opened it up a bit.
I was due to look at a low mileage Sportiva spec on Monday, but it was postponed for various reasons by mutual agreement. Not off the table, but it's made me re-appraise the whole idea.
I keep reminding myself that it is to replace my current shed and not my main car, though I do drive the shed most days and the main car only occasionally for longer trips. The shed is used for parking at places I wouldn't want to take our main car and lots of local/short trips. My wife likes not having to worry about driving the shed Ka and a tidy/more expensive Alfa might become more of a worry too, especially a Sportiva with 18" wheels around our pot holed roads. I'm now tempted to buy an older/scruffier or even Cat N Mito then it would be more of a shed replacement, than a second 'nice car'.
Seems to be a few around that suit this new criteria, though I'm then concerned about how reliable these examples might be since they rarely come with any history. Wondering if just buying one that drives and looks good, then giving it a really thorough service (myself) ASAP after purchase, including replacing the Twin Air strainer and fresh oil/filter of the correct grade would be worth the risk? Are they really that fragile that if it doesn't have FSH from Alfa (or a specialist) that I should 'run a mile' as some of the buyers guides suggest?
Otherwise it's hard to find something that seems even vaguely interesting if I look away from the Mito: Anything with a VED of more than the Ka at £30 (now £35) a year is out of contention as I can't justify £150 a year for less than 4000 miles motoring, especially when we pay £180 for the main car already. The Mito just seemed to fill a useful slot as being quick enough, capable of the occasional motorway trip if I play a gig further away and being cheap to tax and insure.
As if it knew; the Ka was running a bit lumpy when I went out in it today.
What about an Abarth Punto instead? Very pretty cars.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303074...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303074...
Pepperpots said:
I change the oil as a precaution because whatever stamps are in the book aren't worth the paper they're written on. Unless perhaps from an authorised dealer, mine weren't.
I do that anyway on 'new' cars, plus I'd do the Twin Air strainer in this case. I'm wondering though if it's like locking the door when the horse has bolted though in terms of long term reliability: If a car hasn't had the correct grade of oil regularly over it's life will it make much difference to start doing it?Legacywr said:
What about an Abarth Punto instead? Very pretty cars.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303074...
Well, it looks quite nice, but £180 a year VED and about £5k over my (new) budget aren't, so I guess not on my short list. Appreciate the input though as I keep trying to think out of the box. That one would definitely be too nice as a shed replacement though.https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303074...
A500leroy said:
Theres a very good fiat /alfa specialist in Stoke if your near by.
Not near I'm afraid, though I believe there are some round me (Berkshire) if a job came up that I couldn't handle myself.Gassing Station | Alfa Romeo, Fiat & Lancia | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff