Aston Prices

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W12GT

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3,502 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Has anyone else noticed how AM used cars at main dealers seem to be bucking the trend and prices are holding strong across the board with some going up?

I’m really keen to buy my first AM from a main dealer but I’m hesitant given how most other marques are on the downward trend with lots of cars not selling too. The AMs I have enquired about have chequered histories which surprises me.

I’m looking at a Vanquish 2 or DB11 as my preferred choice but early Vantages and DB11s keep catching my eye.

Anyone else hesitant given the financial precipice we currently sit on?

reddiesel

1,902 posts

46 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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I think inevitably you just do it ! I spent a bit of time looking at Dealers stock and found a variation in both Price and the Dealers willingness to do a Deal .
HWM I can thoroughly recommend both for servicing costs and realistic retail prices .
Wheel Alignment at Newport Pagnell Works £450 plus vat , Wheel Alignment at HWM £250 incl vat , Wheel Alignment at Chiltern £250 incl vat .
I dont want to labour the point and you will find out all of these realities yourself but retail Prices can be " puffed up "and servicing costs likewise .

W12GT

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3,502 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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reddiesel said:
I think inevitably you just do it ! I spent a bit of time looking at Dealers stock and found a variation in both Price and the Dealers willingness to do a Deal .
HWM I can thoroughly recommend both for servicing costs and realistic retail prices .
Wheel Alignment at Newport Pagnell Works £450 plus vat , Wheel Alignment at HWM £250 incl vat , Wheel Alignment at Chiltern £250 incl vat .
I dont want to labour the point and you will find out all of these realities yourself but retail Prices can be " puffed up "and servicing costs likewise .
Chiltern are very close to me and they are a very pleasant team to deal with.

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Difficult to know.

The two biggies involved in this thought process, must be considerably higher energy costs (although the world oil and gas prices have niw reduced from their highpoints) and the very steep additional cost of mortgage interest payments (occurring gradually as fixed deals expire).

Then there is the question, of whether potential Aston Martin buyers are finding the above makes any dfference to them.

One possible (related?) point, is that Lawrence Stroll has stated that each future new model, will be at a higher price level than before.
The higher prices are to (hopefully) start making a profit and also to emphasise that the cars are 'Ultra-Luxury', whatever that means.

If you find the perfect car, does it matter if a little extra depreciation becomes involved ?
You could call it a 'keeper', then depreciation becomes irrelevant. - smile

Enjoy the search.


Phil74891

1,064 posts

132 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Consider a Vantage V12 or V12S as well. I think in the future these will hold their value better than the other cars of that generation. In which case buy one now smile

I would try and arrange a test drive of all four back to back if possible, then at least you would know which one you like best, and the search can then be focussed.

They’re all very good at what they do.

67Dino

3,581 posts

104 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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W12GT said:
Chiltern are very close to me and they are a very pleasant team to deal with.
Another vote for Chiltern. The DB7 I bought from them was in fabulous condition and when I decided to sell it, they couldn’t have been more helpful or reasonable. I’d buy from them again (plus they usually have some truly special cars being worked on out of sight and if you ask nicely they show you).

Calinours

1,100 posts

49 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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mmm, Vanq, DB11 or possibly V12VS?

Ideally all three please….

https://youtu.be/J356ZG71ExI


reddiesel

1,902 posts

46 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Jon39 said:

Difficult to know.

The two biggies involved in this thought process, must be considerably higher energy costs (although the world oil and gas prices have niw reduced from their highpoints) and the very steep additional cost of mortgage interest payments (occurring gradually as fixed deals expire).

Then there is the question, of whether potential Aston Martin buyers are finding the above makes any dfference to them.

One possible (related?) point, is that Lawrence Stroll has stated that each future new model, will be at a higher price level than before.
The higher prices are to (hopefully) start making a profit and also to emphasise that the cars are 'Ultra-Luxury', whatever that means.

If you find the perfect car, does it matter if a little extra depreciation becomes involved ?
You could call it a 'keeper', then depreciation becomes irrelevant. - smile

Enjoy the search.
I am smiling whilst I read this Jon and I acknowledge the thought and sincerity within the Post .
Comparatively I am probably new to Aston ownership but I’ve never thought that deeply . Appreciate or Depreciate , I simply stick the money in the tank , enjoy life and give thanks I can do so . For me it’s an emotional purchase as much as anything else and I hope it always remains so . Very interesting to read your thoughts .

Simpo Two

85,149 posts

264 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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If only Aston prices are 'bucking the trend' then it can't be global/economic issues, I would put it down to:

Jon39 said:
One possible (related?) point, is that Lawrence Stroll has stated that each future new model, will be at a higher price level than before.
So as new Astons become increasingly unaffordable to the majority of Aston fans (well done Lawrence), the demand for earlier models will logically go up. You may pay more, but you should retain more value.

If not then my fallback position is:

Jon39 said:
If you find the perfect car, does it matter if a little extra depreciation becomes involved ? You could call it a 'keeper', then depreciation becomes irrelevant. - smile
Owning and running an Aston is not cheap; you know that when you get on the merry-go-round. So just allow a little more for contingencies. If you want the badge, you have no choice anyway so crack on smile

AdamV12V

4,987 posts

176 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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I suspect the recent increases you’ve seen are just the annual seasonal cycle. AM’s pretty much all go up in springtime/summer and drop late autumn/winter. Roadsters and Volantes even more so than Coupes.

If you are serious about wanting to minimise depreciation then I would say avoid the db11, vanq would be a safer buy, but safest of all would be a manual V12V or V12VSM.

Like anything though there are always good and bad buys around whatever the model.

As for the finacial situation right now, the bank bail outs for sure are worrying and smack of 2008 all over, but then ive been of the belief its all about to go wrong for the last couple of years and its staggered on. All depends on what elese you’re thinking of doing with the cash, because if things do go really bad then you could loose money even just having it sat in the bank!

Edited by AdamV12V on Sunday 19th March 10:51

M1AGM

2,290 posts

31 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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W12GT said:
Has anyone else noticed how AM used cars at main dealers seem to be bucking the trend and prices are holding strong across the board with some going up?

I’m really keen to buy my first AM from a main dealer but I’m hesitant given how most other marques are on the downward trend with lots of cars not selling too. The AMs I have enquired about have chequered histories which surprises me.

I’m looking at a Vanquish 2 or DB11 as my preferred choice but early Vantages and DB11s keep catching my eye.

Anyone else hesitant given the financial precipice we currently sit on?
I must need to go to spec savers because I have seen no evidence of bucking the trend with prices holding strong and some going up. Do you have any examples of this? I watch asking prices a lot and see the opposite.

There is supposed to be a DB11 facelift incoming, that will hammer used DB11 prices. Vanq2 there are always plenty of cars for sale (AM must have produced a lot?) so unlikely to miss out with a bit of patience, they’ve come down since last year. Alternately life is too short so just buy what you want and don’t worry about ‘what if’.

W12GT

Original Poster:

3,502 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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M1AGM said:
W12GT said:
Has anyone else noticed how AM used cars at main dealers seem to be bucking the trend and prices are holding strong across the board with some going up?

I’m really keen to buy my first AM from a main dealer but I’m hesitant given how most other marques are on the downward trend with lots of cars not selling too. The AMs I have enquired about have chequered histories which surprises me.

I’m looking at a Vanquish 2 or DB11 as my preferred choice but early Vantages and DB11s keep catching my eye.

Anyone else hesitant given the financial precipice we currently sit on?
I must need to go to spec savers because I have seen no evidence of bucking the trend with prices holding strong and some going up. Do you have any examples of this? I watch asking prices a lot and see the opposite.

There is supposed to be a DB11 facelift incoming, that will hammer used DB11 prices. Vanq2 there are always plenty of cars for sale (AM must have produced a lot?) so unlikely to miss out with a bit of patience, they’ve come down since last year. Alternately life is too short so just buy what you want and don’t worry about ‘what if’.
I share your thoughts on the DB11 drop and Vanquish 2 being more stable. The positive of the DB11 is the extra rear leg room for my kids so it would get more use as a family.

With regards to bucking trends I’m talking specifically cars at AM main dealers; I’ve seen nothing come up at a price point that feels right. The two cheapest Vanquish’s are just under 80k but that car spent the first part of its life in Guernsey and was imported, the next is at 93k for a 16plate but it’s black with black wheels and black interior so looks chav to me.

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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reddiesel said:
I am smiling whilst I read this Jon and I acknowledge the thought and sincerity within the Post .
Comparatively I am probably new to Aston ownership but I’ve never thought that deeply . Appreciate or Depreciate , I simply stick the money in the tank , enjoy life and give thanks I can do so . For me it’s an emotional purchase as much as anything else and I hope it always remains so . Very interesting to read your thoughts .

Thank you Paul.

Yes, you are quite right. Someone told me we are not here long, so good to try to enjoy life. Apparently, we 'cannot take it with us'.

You mentioned being fairly new to Aston ownership. I can tell you, that the delight continues. Remarkably special cars.
Bear in mind, that sometimes my posts are 'tongue in cheek' (not my reply above) and sometimes include a joke, that possibly I am the only one to notice. A chuckle is probably good for us.


nickv12

1,342 posts

82 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Must admit, I haven’t been keeping a keen eye on prices like I used to. Yesterday, I looked at AT for the first time in ages following another thread and was amazed for much a bargain late VH-era cars are, including the V8+V12 Vantage and Vanquish.

All marques follow their own curves to an extent. I can only see VH cars maintaining current prices before strengthening again. You’ll be amazed how few were made, relatively.

W12GT

Original Poster:

3,502 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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M1AGM said:
W12GT said:
Has anyone else noticed how AM used cars at main dealers seem to be bucking the trend and prices are holding strong across the board with some going up?

I’m really keen to buy my first AM from a main dealer but I’m hesitant given how most other marques are on the downward trend with lots of cars not selling too. The AMs I have enquired about have chequered histories which surprises me.

I’m looking at a Vanquish 2 or DB11 as my preferred choice but early Vantages and DB11s keep catching my eye.

Anyone else hesitant given the financial precipice we currently sit on?
I must need to go to spec savers because I have seen no evidence of bucking the trend with prices holding strong and some going up. Do you have any examples of this? I watch asking prices a lot and see the opposite.

There is supposed to be a DB11 facelift incoming, that will hammer used DB11 prices. Vanq2 there are always plenty of cars for sale (AM must have produced a lot?) so unlikely to miss out with a bit of patience, they’ve come down since last year. Alternately life is too short so just buy what you want and don’t worry about ‘what if’.
I share your thoughts on the DB11 drop and Vanquish 2 being more stable. The positive of the DB11 is the extra rear leg room for my kids so it would get more use as a family.

With regards to bucking trends I’m talking specifically cars at AM main dealers; I’ve seen nothing come up at a price point that feels right. The two cheapest Vanquish’s are just under 80k but that car spent the first part of its life in Guernsey and was imported, the next is at 93k for a 16plate but it’s black with black wheels and black interior so looks chav to me.

reddiesel

1,902 posts

46 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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W12GT said:
I share your thoughts on the DB11 drop and Vanquish 2 being more stable. The positive of the DB11 is the extra rear leg room for my kids so it would get more use as a family.

With regards to bucking trends I’m talking specifically cars at AM main dealers; I’ve seen nothing come up at a price point that feels right. The two cheapest Vanquish’s are just under 80k but that car spent the first part of its life in Guernsey and was imported, the next is at 93k for a 16plate but it’s black with black wheels and black interior so looks chav to me.
Get yourself down to HWM and have a word with Stuart or Lee , the thought of you in a " gangster spec " Vanquish I find horrifying . I am sure they will give you the benefit of their thoughts and advice and you will enjoy yourself into the bargain . I was briefly the owner of a DB9 and now a Vantage so I am by no means expert in the various Models but these Cars can be bought sensibly and a large part of the pleasure is in the selection . £80k to my mind should put you in a decent DB11 and £90k in a decent Vanquish

Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 19th March 13:44

M1AGM

2,290 posts

31 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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W12GT said:
M1AGM said:
W12GT said:
Has anyone else noticed how AM used cars at main dealers seem to be bucking the trend and prices are holding strong across the board with some going up?

I’m really keen to buy my first AM from a main dealer but I’m hesitant given how most other marques are on the downward trend with lots of cars not selling too. The AMs I have enquired about have chequered histories which surprises me.

I’m looking at a Vanquish 2 or DB11 as my preferred choice but early Vantages and DB11s keep catching my eye.

Anyone else hesitant given the financial precipice we currently sit on?
I must need to go to spec savers because I have seen no evidence of bucking the trend with prices holding strong and some going up. Do you have any examples of this? I watch asking prices a lot and see the opposite.

There is supposed to be a DB11 facelift incoming, that will hammer used DB11 prices. Vanq2 there are always plenty of cars for sale (AM must have produced a lot?) so unlikely to miss out with a bit of patience, they’ve come down since last year. Alternately life is too short so just buy what you want and don’t worry about ‘what if’.
I share your thoughts on the DB11 drop and Vanquish 2 being more stable. The positive of the DB11 is the extra rear leg room for my kids so it would get more use as a family.

With regards to bucking trends I’m talking specifically cars at AM main dealers; I’ve seen nothing come up at a price point that feels right. The two cheapest Vanquish’s are just under 80k but that car spent the first part of its life in Guernsey and was imported, the next is at 93k for a 16plate but it’s black with black wheels and black interior so looks chav to me.
Have you looked at this blue one, I thought it was a nice spec:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302013...

My AM is black on black, my other 2 cars are, and I think most of my previous cars have been lol, I’ve never been described as a chav but hey, each to their own (no offence taken). beer

Jay_Davis

270 posts

177 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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I've been searching for a late model Vantage here in the US and found that dealers were all over the place with pricing. Some are raising prices, or just over-valuing cars, and some are not. For cars that have been sitting a while, they bought the cars at inflated prices last year and don't really want to sell them at a loss. I even had dealers increase the price of a car the day after I called to inquire about it (and increase by a lot).

However, the reality is that the cars which seem to be selling are the ones priced "normally", in other words, the price is similar to where you would have expected it pre-pandemic, or at least in the same neighborhood. Of course, for Astons that means serious depreciation.

The car I just found which it looks like I'll be buying was one of those priced "normally'. I had though about ordering a new one, but given the supposed facelift coming up, who knows really when, that seemed like a bad idea. Although, with the Vantage, the new sticker price was always a negative on this car, so if they raise the price too much it will serious hurt new car sales and help the value of these existing ones.

Only a few cars seemed to still be holder much of their over-inflated prices, like some Ferraris seem to be. We'll see how this all plays out the rest of this year.


Edited by Jay_Davis on Monday 20th March 21:45

W12GT

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3,502 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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M1AGM said:
Have you looked at this blue one, I thought it was a nice spec:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302013...

My AM is black on black, my other 2 cars are, and I think most of my previous cars have been lol, I’ve never been described as a chav but hey, each to their own (no offence taken). beer
That is a lovely looking car, unfortunately the mileage is too high for me and I’m only looking at main dealer as I want the warranty for peace of mind.

reddiesel

1,902 posts

46 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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W12GT said:
That is a lovely looking car, unfortunately the mileage is too high for me and I’m only looking at main dealer as I want the warranty for peace of mind.
The Timeless Warranty I agree is well worth having . Can I ask what your own thoughts are , I know you mentioned DB11 and Vanquish and I have to admit that the DB11 is starting to grow on me . It still has a way to fall in second hand values however but the Vanquish less so .