The new Vantage?

[cayman-black]

Minglar said:

Registered one week ago and now for sale outside of the AM MD network. At least they aren’t asking $6,000,000 for it though!
BRM.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412237...

Well in that colour it hasnt brightened up my day at all.

[alscar]

cayman-black said:

Minglar said:

Registered one week ago and now for sale outside of the AM MD network. At least they aren’t asking $6,000,000 for it though!
BRM.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412237...

Well in that colour it hasnt brightened up my day at all.

China is indeed a bit of a marmite colour. That said I had it on my VH V12S and with the yellow additions ( callipers and interior bits ) rather liked it although wouldn't spec it on that "new" shape.
That also is barely much off against RRP.

[AlexT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tno4gbh-Kw4

Impressive.

[Jon39]

Minglar said:

Registered one week ago and now for sale outside of the AM MD network. ...

Recently it was suggested on here, that 3% discount seemed to be the limit for retail purchasers of showroom stock vehicles.

If a trade sale obtains (say) 5% below total list and then they advertise below RRP, there seems to be hassle for little, if any reward.
What might be going on?

[VantageHead]

Interesting to see the following used ‘2025 MY Vantage’ from AML MD (Aston Martin in Bristol) is being advertised on Autotrader but not AML’s official ‘pre-owned’ site (or even AML Bristol’s site). https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412317...

Not sure why, but have seen similar with low mileage DB12s as well.

BTW, Happy New Year to everyone on this forum, especially those following the ‘ins & outs’ of all things Aston!

[Jon39]

VantageHead said:

Interesting to see the following used ‘2025 MY Vantage’ from AML MD (Aston Martin in Bristol) is being advertised on Autotrader but not AML’s official ‘pre-owned’ site (or even AML Bristol’s site).
Not sure why, but have seen similar with low mileage DB12s as well.

BTW, Happy New Year to everyone on this forum, especially those following the ‘ins & outs’ of all things Aston!

At 1,300 miles, not really new, but AML don't want their UK dealers advertising new cars.
The special offer new 'showroom' cars tend to be promoted verbally.
Very different in USA, where brand new cars are all openly advertised.
My understanding for that difference, is that American car buyers like to choose then drive away promptly.

It is annoyinging now that the features and specification details, do not distinguish standard equipment from cost options. There used to be two columns. Very difficult then to establish the new total price. Therefore whether £190,000 (with £10 change) is an attractive price, remains entirely unclear.

[Minglar]

Jon39 said:

VantageHead said:

Interesting to see the following used ‘2025 MY Vantage’ from AML MD (Aston Martin in Bristol) is being advertised on Autotrader but not AML’s official ‘pre-owned’ site (or even AML Bristol’s site).
Not sure why, but have seen similar with low mileage DB12s as well.

BTW, Happy New Year to everyone on this forum, especially those following the ‘ins & outs’ of all things Aston!

At 1,300 miles, not really new, but AML don't want their UK dealers advertising new cars.
The special offer new 'showroom' cars tend to be promoted verbally.
Very different in USA, where brand new cars are all openly advertised.
My understanding for that difference, is that American car buyers like to choose then drive away promptly.

It is annoyinging now that the features and specification details, do not distinguish standard equipment from cost options. There used to be two columns. Very difficult then to establish the new total price. Therefore whether £190,000 (with £10 change) is an attractive price, remains entirely unclear.

That’s the same car I mentioned a little further up the thread on 13th December….and the price has been reduced by £5,000. Imho I think anyone who’s seriously interested in getting an example of new new Vantage would be wise to wait six months or so, assuming you don’t want to specify it yourself of course. I really cannot see any compelling reason for buying one brand new. Anyway let’s see how it all pans out. As we have said before it’s a great car, but is the demand there? The world has changed a lot in the last three or four years and will probably continue to do so. Happy New Year everyone. BRM.

[alscar]

VantageHead said:

Interesting to see the following used ‘2025 MY Vantage’ from AML MD (Aston Martin in Bristol) is being advertised on Autotrader but not AML’s official ‘pre-owned’ site (or even AML Bristol’s site). https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412317...

Not sure why, but have seen similar with low mileage DB12s as well.

BTW, Happy New Year to everyone on this forum, especially those following the ‘ins & outs’ of all things Aston!

Car is on Bristols website.
Looking at advert and photos I suspect whilst some options ( wheels and interior spilt colour perhaps ) not that many so price still looks very high as percentage of original.
Colour great but as Minglar says , wait !
HNY.

[VantageHead]

alscar said:

Car is on Bristols website.

Maybe it’s my eyes, but I couldn’t see it on there……. https://preowned.astonmartin.com/en_gb/dealer_1290...

I saw the DB12 though…… (looks identical to Vantage from the front).

[alscar]

VantageHead said:

alscar said:

Car is on Bristols website.

Maybe it’s my eyes, but I couldn’t see it on there……. https://preowned.astonmartin.com/en_gb/dealer_1290...

I saw the DB12 though…… (looks identical to Vantage from the front).

Go to their website direct - page 3 of used.

[VantageHead]

alscar said:

VantageHead said:

alscar said:

Car is on Bristols website.

Maybe it’s my eyes, but I couldn’t see it on there……. https://preowned.astonmartin.com/en_gb/dealer_1290...

I saw the DB12 though…… (looks identical to Vantage from the front).

Go to their website direct - page 3 of used.

I see you’re looking at the Dick Lovett site for Bristol, however the official Aston Martin Website for Bristol (link above) still doesn’t show this car. You’ve got to ask why it’s not on the official AML site but is on the Dick Lovett (not official AML) site.

Also interesting to note that all owner’s manuals for current Astons are officially available, EXCEPT for new new Vantage……. https://www.astonmartin.com/en-gb/owners/owners-gu...

[alscar]

VantageHead said:

I see you’re looking at the Dick Lovett site for Bristol, however the official Aston Martin Website for Bristol (link above) still doesn’t show this car. You’ve got to ask why it’s not on the official AML site but is on the Dick Lovett (not official AML) site.

Might be a timing issue depending on how / when they are uploaded into the different sites but either way not sure anything particularly “ suspicious “ about it ?

[VantageHead]

alscar said:

VantageHead said:

I see you’re looking at the Dick Lovett site for Bristol, however the official Aston Martin Website for Bristol (link above) still doesn’t show this car. You’ve got to ask why it’s not on the official AML site but is on the Dick Lovett (not official AML) site.

Might be a timing issue depending on how / when they are uploaded into the different sites but either way not sure anything particularly “ suspicious “ about it ?

Not sure anyone has used the word ‘suspicious’, however looks like it’s been advertised outside of the official AML dealer sites since at least 13th December - surely enough time to mirror on the official site (if they wanted to)?

It is interesting that there isn’t at least ONE new new Vantage on AML’s official Timeless site (used Astons), given that we know there are ex-dem cars up for sale at many dealers.

Personal thinking is that car is too newly launched for AML to allow it to appear on official site as that could negatively affect perception of depreciation. We know from AML MDs that ‘Stroll & Co’ anxious to reduce depreciation on the newly refreshed cars, and this may be a possible response to that?

As I said, all IMHO. YMMV.

[alscar]

VantageHead said:

alscar said:

VantageHead said:

I see you’re looking at the Dick Lovett site for Bristol, however the official Aston Martin Website for Bristol (link above) still doesn’t show this car. You’ve got to ask why it’s not on the official AML site but is on the Dick Lovett (not official AML) site.

Might be a timing issue depending on how / when they are uploaded into the different sites but either way not sure anything particularly “ suspicious “ about it ?

Not sure anyone has used the word ‘suspicious’, however looks like it’s been advertised outside of the official AML dealer sites since at least 13th December - surely enough time to mirror on the official site (if they wanted to)?

It is interesting that there isn’t at least ONE new new Vantage on AML’s official Timeless site (used Astons), given that we know there are ex-dem cars up for sale at many dealers.

Personal thinking is that car is too newly launched for AML to allow it to appear on official site as that could negatively affect perception of depreciation. We know from AML MDs that ‘Stroll & Co’ anxious to reduce depreciation on the newly refreshed cars, and this may be a possible response to that?

As I said, all IMHO. YMMV.

That’s why I used the “ “ but yes probably not the right word to use !
All I would say is that DL is hardly being secretive about their website advert and would suggest that someone within AML probably monitors those anyway.
The general buying public won’t differentiate between DL as an official dealer and the parent.
The price ( to me at least ) doesn’t indicate depreciation at all - indeed if anything it shows a figure which if they were able to sell at would no doubt delight Mr.Stroll.

[VantageHead]

alscar said:

That’s why I used the “ “ but yes probably not the right word to use !
All I would say is that DL is hardly being secretive about their website advert and would suggest that someone within AML probably monitors those anyway.

So why isn’t it on the official AML site - indeed, why are there NO new new Vantages on the official site?

alscar said:

The general buying public won’t differentiate between DL as an official dealer and the parent.

Not strictly true - I only look at the official site (more convenient as all in one place) as there are too many ‘sub sites’ to scan otherwise.

alscar said:

The price ( to me at least ) doesn’t indicate depreciation at all - indeed if anything it shows a figure which if they were able to sell at would no doubt delight Mr.Stroll.

Thank you for illustrating my point brilliantly! By keeping new new Vantages off of the official AML second hand site (‘Timeless’), it helps to build a perception that there isn’t a surplus of these cars (e.g. you can only obtain one by completing an official factory order), hence helping to keep prices high - which is exactly what you have seen.

As I said - all IMHO.

[alscar]

VantageHead said:

alscar said:

That’s why I used the “ “ but yes probably not the right word to use !
All I would say is that DL is hardly being secretive about their website advert and would suggest that someone within AML probably monitors those anyway.

So why isn’t it on the official AML site - indeed, why are there NO new new Vantages on the official site?

No idea - maybe not in sufficient numbers for AM to have changed their website format yet ?
Also not all cars at AM dealers on the official website ( there is a GT8 for sale at Works for example ) so maybe SOR might be at play here ?

alscar said:

The general buying public won’t differentiate between DL as an official dealer and the parent.

Not strictly true - I only look at the official site (more convenient as all in one place) as there are too many ‘sub sites’ to scan otherwise.

PH is only a very small piece of the general buying public perhaps ?

alscar said:

The price ( to me at least ) doesn’t indicate depreciation at all - indeed if anything it shows a figure which if they were able to sell at would no doubt delight Mr.Stroll.

Thank you for illustrating my point brilliantly! By keeping new new Vantages off of the official AML second hand site (‘Timeless’), it helps to build a perception that there isn’t a surplus of these cars (e.g. you can only obtain one by completing an official factory order), hence helping to keep prices high - which is exactly what you have seen.

As I said - all IMHO.

As above in terms of timing or indeed SOR but I do take your point.
I just think you might be over thinking it.
I think there is however a more general knowledge out there that the new Vantage is very expensive and it is not flying off the shelves.
It will be interesting to see how long that DL car remains for sale at that price point.

[Jon39]

VantageHead said:

I saw the DB12 though…… (looks identical to Vantage from the front).

I couldn't tell the difference either.
My son told me that he had fixed all that model confusion.

Happy New Year,
from Andy Palmer's mother.

[Jon39]

VantageHead said:

We know from AML MDs that ‘Stroll & Co’ anxious to reduce depreciation on the newly refreshed cars, ...

Lawrence Stroll wanted to reduce depreciation

(Warren Buffett quote; I buy expensive suits, but the always look cheap on me.)



King Canute wanted to stop the tides





Kier Starmer wanted economic growth



Which would suggest, that saying is the easy part.

[VantageHead]

Excellent Jon (both posts)!! Couldn’t have put it better myself!

[ThomW]

Interesting how the savage depreciation on the V12V has now aligned with the optimistic pricing of the new V8.

Limited run with an epic V12, massive spec and probbaly £100k of depreciation already done. What would you go for?