The new Vantage?
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I'd say it's number 4.
The others would make sense if they were mechanical options. But I don't see how tungsten silver or titanium silver paint, along with the semi aniline leather which used to be standard fit/ no cost options ( if I remember right) or at least low cost options on all prior cars in the range now have that high of options price. I mean come on 20K for tungsten silver, really ? and I get it, I can just order a similar silver that's cheaper. but I just think that is really taking the customer for a ride. Those were also really popular "staple" colors on the VH era cars. I also have no issue spending quite a bit for the carbon brakes or BW sound system.
I know they are different sectors of the industry and vastly different value propositions, but a fairly highly optioned new SL 55 amg is about 155-160K, ofc less power and not a AM, and I detest the ipad interior stack, but that's still a very similar use case scenario car to a db12/vantage while saving easily 100-150K USD.
Do I have the same desire for the SL, ofc not, but would it be a probably equally fun weekend road trip type of GT car with the other half? 90% yes it would be. Keep in mind it has the same basic engine as the AMs just lower hp tune. This is one area where I think I would find the vantage or espescially the db12, if it had a lower output AM v12 in it, more desirable than the competition if they had a unique AML designed engine. Vs getting the same engine as a WAY cheaper SL55 ( which realistically I don't really need more power than it has anyway in the real world with rear wheel drive).
I don't mean to rant, it just in a way sorta kills me with stuff like that. I want so badly to pull the trigger on a db12 volante, and may end up anyway, or waiting a bit and finding one used for likely a vastly cheaper amount. but I just don't quite feel comfortable with the value proposition in the spec I'd want. guess I better start looking at other poor man silver colors ...
The others would make sense if they were mechanical options. But I don't see how tungsten silver or titanium silver paint, along with the semi aniline leather which used to be standard fit/ no cost options ( if I remember right) or at least low cost options on all prior cars in the range now have that high of options price. I mean come on 20K for tungsten silver, really ? and I get it, I can just order a similar silver that's cheaper. but I just think that is really taking the customer for a ride. Those were also really popular "staple" colors on the VH era cars. I also have no issue spending quite a bit for the carbon brakes or BW sound system.
I know they are different sectors of the industry and vastly different value propositions, but a fairly highly optioned new SL 55 amg is about 155-160K, ofc less power and not a AM, and I detest the ipad interior stack, but that's still a very similar use case scenario car to a db12/vantage while saving easily 100-150K USD.
Do I have the same desire for the SL, ofc not, but would it be a probably equally fun weekend road trip type of GT car with the other half? 90% yes it would be. Keep in mind it has the same basic engine as the AMs just lower hp tune. This is one area where I think I would find the vantage or espescially the db12, if it had a lower output AM v12 in it, more desirable than the competition if they had a unique AML designed engine. Vs getting the same engine as a WAY cheaper SL55 ( which realistically I don't really need more power than it has anyway in the real world with rear wheel drive).
I don't mean to rant, it just in a way sorta kills me with stuff like that. I want so badly to pull the trigger on a db12 volante, and may end up anyway, or waiting a bit and finding one used for likely a vastly cheaper amount. but I just don't quite feel comfortable with the value proposition in the spec I'd want. guess I better start looking at other poor man silver colors ...
Edited by Beckson on Thursday 6th February 18:07
Having recently ordered an AM (coming from BMWs and Benz's), I was thinking along the same lines as you Beckson. I spent a great deal of time examining the options list believe me and a lot of it does not make sense price-wise.
Until I got past the fact that purchasing an AM in itself is not a value proposition, never-mind the pricey options! I personally would not overthink the depreciation. Honestly, if people are particularly disconcerted by that then they probably should reconsider such a purchase. If you've got the money and don't mind spending it then just do it. Having an understanding wife helps! Get the spec you want - that's half the attraction of ordering new.
In this segment of the market there are no value propositions - Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce etc. It's the price of entry these days. There is no comparison in terms of brand cachet to my previous owned cars...or even beauty. The new Vantage/DB12/Vanquish are superb.
Until I got past the fact that purchasing an AM in itself is not a value proposition, never-mind the pricey options! I personally would not overthink the depreciation. Honestly, if people are particularly disconcerted by that then they probably should reconsider such a purchase. If you've got the money and don't mind spending it then just do it. Having an understanding wife helps! Get the spec you want - that's half the attraction of ordering new.
In this segment of the market there are no value propositions - Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce etc. It's the price of entry these days. There is no comparison in terms of brand cachet to my previous owned cars...or even beauty. The new Vantage/DB12/Vanquish are superb.
So, let’s talk about the significantly increased size of the windscreen sensor/ADAS box on ‘new new Vantage.
Here’s the (lights & wipers) sensor box from the 2019 Vantage;
…and here’s how my dashcam (a BlackVue DR970X Box-2CH Plus) fits neatly on the screen (to one side of the sensor but hidden behind the rear view mirror);
Whilst here are some photos of the increased size windscreen ADAS box (now containing multiple cameras as well as sensors) from the 2025MY model;
The challenge is how best to fit a dashcam on the new car so that it doesn’t look awful. (Note: If Aston had been really smart, they could have copied Tesla in using one of the existing ADAS cameras (in ‘dual purpose’ mode) as a dashcam, avoiding the need to fit an additional dashcam).
One thought is to mount the camera above the new ADAS box on the screen where the black ‘hatched’ dots are, with the camera sensor positioned to one side to’ look through’ the clear glass (which is swept). Here’s a crude mock-up of what I’m trying to describe (with blue box representing dashcam). Less ‘central’, but also less visually obtrusive.
Any other thoughts for Dashcam mounting solutions on the new model?
(No, a Go-Pro on the roof is not the answer!!
)
Here’s the (lights & wipers) sensor box from the 2019 Vantage;
…and here’s how my dashcam (a BlackVue DR970X Box-2CH Plus) fits neatly on the screen (to one side of the sensor but hidden behind the rear view mirror);
Whilst here are some photos of the increased size windscreen ADAS box (now containing multiple cameras as well as sensors) from the 2025MY model;
The challenge is how best to fit a dashcam on the new car so that it doesn’t look awful. (Note: If Aston had been really smart, they could have copied Tesla in using one of the existing ADAS cameras (in ‘dual purpose’ mode) as a dashcam, avoiding the need to fit an additional dashcam).
One thought is to mount the camera above the new ADAS box on the screen where the black ‘hatched’ dots are, with the camera sensor positioned to one side to’ look through’ the clear glass (which is swept). Here’s a crude mock-up of what I’m trying to describe (with blue box representing dashcam). Less ‘central’, but also less visually obtrusive.
Any other thoughts for Dashcam mounting solutions on the new model?
(No, a Go-Pro on the roof is not the answer!!
)AlexT said:
Can the dashcam be adhered to the black dots?
Would be interested in seeing how you mount the cam and also most importantly how you wire it all up.
Thank you, and good point Alex. Would be interested in seeing how you mount the cam and also most importantly how you wire it all up.
My Car Audio guy wired in my existing cams, and all wires are hidden in the headliner, down the ‘A Pillar’ and then hard wired directly into the fuse box. Anticipate that the new install will be the same. These cameras are much smaller than usual, as the electronics (including MicroSD memory card) of this model are hidden in a separate (locked) box hidden elsewhere in the car - it also means if a thief breaks in and steals the cameras, I’ve still got the footage safe and sound in the hidden box (most dashcams have the storage card within the dashcam unit itself).
He also tells me that using 3M adhesive pads (which are ‘foam-like’), will safely adhere to the black dotted glass. I was still curious to see if anyone had other creative solutions as well as raising awareness of the issue for future new new Vantage owners.
https://youtu.be/LHWmQzagodE
CAR Magazine reviews new new Vantage against new 911 Carrera GTS and Mercedes-AMG GT63. BRM.
CAR Magazine reviews new new Vantage against new 911 Carrera GTS and Mercedes-AMG GT63. BRM.
I was just about to post that! Thanks for sharing.They do a great job of assessing the strengths and weaknesses of both cars and have a good knowledge of the engineering and chassis differences, alongside how the cars drive on track and off. Much more detailed than 90% of the YouTube car reviews.
Agree 100% Ben.
Funny that although the Porsche is the more ‘perfect’ car (continuous improvement of exactly same formula), the Vantage put a much bigger smile on the reviewers’ faces (you could tell they enjoyed driving the ‘hooligan’ Vantage much more than the ‘clinically precise’ 911)!
Hasn’t made me regret ordering a ‘new new Vantage’!
Funny that although the Porsche is the more ‘perfect’ car (continuous improvement of exactly same formula), the Vantage put a much bigger smile on the reviewers’ faces (you could tell they enjoyed driving the ‘hooligan’ Vantage much more than the ‘clinically precise’ 911)!
Hasn’t made me regret ordering a ‘new new Vantage’!
mogg said:
Will there be a V12 version of this Vantage ? - I'm guessing not (unfortunately)
Apologies if this has already been covered in the forum.
Apologies if this has already been covered in the forum.
I expect there will be.
From purely a business point of view, it must be temptingly profitable and presumably having done it already, the engineering would be straight forward.
In 2022, Aston Martin did not appear to have any difficulty in quickly selling 333 V12 Vantages, at a huge price.
Keep mentioning Limited Model and queues usually form.
I think many here might agree, that a 2026 V12V would be a better car than the 2022 model, if so, then more desirable.
CSK1 said:
The new Vanquish’s V12 engine squeezed into the Vantage’s shorter wheelbase would be quite a car.
AML said the last one would be the final V12 Vantage but we never know, they have made such statements before, only to change their mind afterwards.
That sounds like a plan :-)AML said the last one would be the final V12 Vantage but we never know, they have made such statements before, only to change their mind afterwards.
Although surely they would reduce outputs somewhat for the Vantage application, to keep the Vanquish at the pinnacle !?
Finally! The User Manual for 2025MY ‘new new Vantage’ is now available online as a PDF at https://www.astonmartin.com/en-gb/owners/owners-gu....
Here’s page showing the overhead view of the car (showing correct model)…….
Here’s page showing the overhead view of the car (showing correct model)…….
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