New Vanq 3 on the way
Discussion
alscar said:
Jon39 said:
To ensure that no one thinks this might be DB12 with alterations, we are told that the wheelbase is longer than a DB12.
Longer by 80mm. The width of my thumbnail is more than 80mm !
What is going on ?
Thank you alscar for pointing out my mistake. Trying to work in both imperial and metric, is too much for me.
If I am correct now, the Vanquish wheelbase is 3 inches longer than the DB12.
Does that mean the DB12 wheelbase is not perfect for ultra-luxury handling?
christof said:
Real world video, red and white cars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-esisDQDM
I wished to like it, but from some angles it just looks not right.
Can't believe that I write this, but I much prefer the Ferrari 12C after having seeing it in flesh at a launch event.
The pick of the range seems to be the DB12, which looks like a proper Aston.
That looks fantastic and that interior is just superb!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-esisDQDM
I wished to like it, but from some angles it just looks not right.
Can't believe that I write this, but I much prefer the Ferrari 12C after having seeing it in flesh at a launch event.
The pick of the range seems to be the DB12, which looks like a proper Aston.
LTP said:
Dewi 2 said:
Can any engineers here explain how the Vanquish turbo boost operates?
Aston Martin's explanation Is as follows;
'It also debuts a clever 'boost-reserve' function for 'added power delivery' to give it added oomph – and a roaring exhaust pipe soundtrack to match. Explaining how the 'boost reserve' system works, Aston Martin said it increases and then seamlessly balances turbo boost pressure above that normally required for any given throttle position, so that it is 'ready to go when full power is needed'. The manufacturer adds: 'When the driver demands full power and torque, the throttle releases the accumulated boost pressure for immediate response.'
That seems to suggest a pressurised storage tank.
Existing versions of turbo boost tend to be electrical, involving electric power for the turbos prior to reaching operating speed, or an electrical starter/generator, which can increase the engine rotation at lower revs using regenerated electricity.
EDIT
I suppose with a 5.2 litre V12, turbo lag would hardly be noticed anyway.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/tech/volvos...
And, even with a 5.2 V12, you can still feel the turbo lag. It's not like a 1990's SAAB 900 Turbo, but you do notice it (or I could on the early DB11 I tried)
But that would have resulted in "No press junkets or cars for you!"*
- Seinfeld's Soup Nazi-style
The Vanquish is a very wide car, so as has already been mentioned, might be quite tricky on some British roads.
I have tried to assemble a few figures that might be of interest, in particular to show the width compared to a Mercedes S Class, a car that is easier to drive on a dual carriageway and motorway.
The answer appears to be that the Vanquish is 5 inches wider than an S Class.
( Please correct me if any numbers are wrong. )
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September 2024 - List prices before options;
Vantage ............. £165,000
DB12 .................. £188,500
DBX 707 ............. £208,500
Vanquish ............ £330,000
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DIMENSIONS
2024 Aston Martin Vanquish
Length ........ 4,850 mm (190.9 in)
Width .......... 2044 mm (80.5 in)
Height ......... 1290 mm (50.8 in)
Wheelbase .. 2885 mm (113.6 in)
Comparison with a large saloon car:
2020 Mercedes S Class (W223)
Length .......... 5179 mm (203.9 in)
Width ............ 1921 mm (75.6 in)
Height ........... 1503 mm (59.2 in)
Wheelbase .... 3106 mm (122.3 in)
Edited by Dewi 2 on Wednesday 4th September 19:41
Dewi 2 said:
The Vanquish is a very wide car, so as has already been mentioned, might be quite tricky on some British roads.
I have tried to assemble a few figures that might be of interest, in particular to show the width compared to a Mercedes S Class, a car that is easier to drive on a dual carriageway and motorway.
The answer appears to be that the Vanquish is 5 inches wider than an S Class.
( Please correct me if any numbers are wrong. )
..........................................................................................................
September 2024 - List prices before options;
Vantage ............. £165,000
DB12 .................. £188,500
DBX 707 ............. £208,500
Vanquish ............ £330,000
..............................................................
DIMENSIONS
2024 Aston Martin Vanquish
Length ........ 4,850 mm (190.9 in)
Width .......... 2044 mm (80.5 in)
Height ......... 1290 mm (50.8 in)
Wheelbase .. 2885 mm (113.6 in)
Comparison with a large saloon car:
2020 Mercedes S Class (W223)
Length .......... 5179 mm (203.9 in)
Width ............ 1921 mm (75.6 in)
Height ........... 1503 mm (59.2 in)
Wheelbase .... 3106 mm (122.3 in)
Edited by Dewi 2 on Wednesday 4th September 19:41
Conclusion - it’s bloody wide - 4” narrower than the average uk single garage door.
Edited by oilit on Thursday 5th September 05:12
Dewi 2 said:
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September 2024 - List prices before options;
Vantage ............. £165,000
DB12 .................. £188,500
DBX 707 ............. £208,500
Vanquish ............ £330,000
...........................................................
That seems craaaaazy !
mogg said:
Dewi 2 said:
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September 2024 - List prices before options;
Vantage ............. £165,000
DB12 .................. £188,500
DBX 707 ............. £208,500
Vanquish ............ £330,000
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That seems craaaaazy !
It's long been the case that of Astons core range the cheapest car is roughly half the price of the most expensive. It's been this way since the DB7 was introduced.
e.g 2005 V8 Vantage base price £80,000 maybe 87k OTR with a few essential options, 2005 V12 Vanquish S £175k OTR. Twice the price.
GT3ZZZ said:
Too wide (and long) for the UK unfortunately, especially if you live in the countryside. Designed for the US and other overseas markets primarily.
Ideal length for a driver's car is 4.5m - 4.6m IMHO. Just like my V12 Vantage Final.
V12 Vantage Final or the Final Final or the last one . Ideal length for a driver's car is 4.5m - 4.6m IMHO. Just like my V12 Vantage Final.
Man, these cars are really getting oversized. Probably fine on our wide open North American roads, but surely a challenge on some of the narrower UK and European roads.
As a styling exercise I'm not convinced. The front grille is too big, the side vent is awkward and clashes with the rest of the car's lines, and I'm sorry but the rear view screams "Ford Mustang!!!!"
Of the current range I would rank the DB12 as best for styling (just an ideal blend of elegance and aggression), the Vantage next, and this Vanquish last.
Sounds like an incredible engine, though! And I do like that they have done away with the silly pretence of a back seat.
As a styling exercise I'm not convinced. The front grille is too big, the side vent is awkward and clashes with the rest of the car's lines, and I'm sorry but the rear view screams "Ford Mustang!!!!"
Of the current range I would rank the DB12 as best for styling (just an ideal blend of elegance and aggression), the Vantage next, and this Vanquish last.
Sounds like an incredible engine, though! And I do like that they have done away with the silly pretence of a back seat.
Crappuccino said:
The dimensions are not exactly correct for the Vanquish, it is 1980 mm wide without wing mirrors, and is 2122 with mirrors included. The S class width you stated was also body width, so the difference is actually 59 mm. Still a big car by any means.
Thank you for your corrections.
Trying to find the exact dimensions always seems to be tricky, because whether it is with or without door mirrors is rarely stated.
Not sure how accurate this site is but it might help, Dewi 2. Checking my owner’s manual, the VH Vantage era data looks correct:
https://www.automobiledimension.com/car-comparison...
https://www.automobiledimension.com/car-comparison...
quench said:
Man, these cars are really getting oversized. Probably fine on our wide open North American roads, but surely a challenge on some of the narrower UK and European roads.
As a styling exercise I'm not convinced. The front grille is too big, the side vent is awkward and clashes with the rest of the car's lines, and I'm sorry but the rear view screams "Ford Mustang!!!!"
Of the current range I would rank the DB12 as best for styling (just an ideal blend of elegance and aggression), the Vantage next, and this Vanquish last.
Sounds like an incredible engine, though! And I do like that they have done away with the silly pretence of a back seat.
Agreed on Mustang thing. I keep on seeing the fronts of Fords and getting excited about seeing an Aston and then “oh, it’s just another Ford”. Now the same will happen when I see the backside of a FordAs a styling exercise I'm not convinced. The front grille is too big, the side vent is awkward and clashes with the rest of the car's lines, and I'm sorry but the rear view screams "Ford Mustang!!!!"
Of the current range I would rank the DB12 as best for styling (just an ideal blend of elegance and aggression), the Vantage next, and this Vanquish last.
Sounds like an incredible engine, though! And I do like that they have done away with the silly pretence of a back seat.
I'm not getting this "the back looks like a mustang" comparison tbh.
The two cars have completely different shapes and profiles, different rear window and roofline, different arches, different lights, different diffuser, different bumper / licence plate area, different tyre thickness, etc., etc.
The only possible reason I can see for saying this is that the mustang traditionally has a recessed black panel between it's tail lights and now this new Vanquish is being presented with a [differently shaped and profiled, non-recessed] carbon panel between it's tail lights, which can be configured in body colour instead. To suggest AM were copying Ford in any way is extremely reaching imo...
The two cars have completely different shapes and profiles, different rear window and roofline, different arches, different lights, different diffuser, different bumper / licence plate area, different tyre thickness, etc., etc.
The only possible reason I can see for saying this is that the mustang traditionally has a recessed black panel between it's tail lights and now this new Vanquish is being presented with a [differently shaped and profiled, non-recessed] carbon panel between it's tail lights, which can be configured in body colour instead. To suggest AM were copying Ford in any way is extremely reaching imo...
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