Is my Dad talking crap?

Is my Dad talking crap?

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The DJ 27

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2,666 posts

253 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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Now, as I have discussed before on these pages, I want to buy a Mk1 MR2. I've spotted a 1990 G-Reg example with 84,000 miles on the clock for £1400 on autotrader.

So I ran the idea past my parents tonight, and my Dad reckons I'd need a full workshop to run a car like that, becuase its 14 years old, and he reckons everything on it will be on the point of failure. Now, I've read in several places that they're nice, reliable little cars, they just have rust issues on the rear arches and front cross-member.

So, to return to the point, is my Dad talking crap, and should I buy one?

mustard

6,992 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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Bodywork is the biggest issue... rusty wheel arches and undersides, needs a good prod all over... mechanically if its been well maintained it'll be as sweet as a nut with loads of life left in it

The DJ 27

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Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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Exactly what I thought. Obviously, any car of that age is going to have certain rust issues, but I'm prepared to deal with that. I think it's the mechanical side of it that he's more worried about. I've told him to read the buying guide in this months Retro Cars, but I don't think he will

mustard

6,992 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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Just remember its a Toyota Corolla with all its mechanics rearranged!

Nuf said!

They are quite rust prone though

CarZee

13,382 posts

267 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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Your dad talks sense, I'm afraid.

A 14 year old car is likely to have lots of potential problems and it would be naive to think you could run such a car without either being on first name terms with your local mechanic or being handy with a spanner yourself. I gather the mid-engine setup makes these cars challenging to work on too.

But then I gather that when they do work, they're jolly good fun, and when it comes to buying cars, the head rarely triumphs over the heart if you're a true PHer.

cptsideways

13,545 posts

252 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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Err it's Japanese!!!!!!

It won't break down if its been serviced properly, so long as you have new plugs, leads, oil, everthing is as it should be & it basically wont go wrong.

Just don't buy one thats had 5 owners or more, that always spells trouble.

Good ones have usually been well looked after.

400sedave

120 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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I'd say your old man is talking poo.

I bought a c reg MR2 last year, with 135000 on the clock, and it got thrashed on a daily basis, and never missed a beat. And when i say thrashed, i mean ragged all the way to Le Mans, HUUUUUUUGE burnouts in Arnarge, then ragged home again, plus i took it to Santa pod a few times aswell.
The only thing i did was change the cambelt, and the fuel filter (which are easy jobs to do yourself, or cheap ones for a garage if you aren't too confident with the spanners).
I sold it at the end of the summer and it was fine.

Toyotas are very well screwed together mechanically, the only weak points are rust as mentioned above, the sychro' on 2nd can be weak, and some of them jump out of 5th gear. The engine is bombproof.
Just make sure you test drive lots before you buy. Get a good one, and you'll never look back.

>> Edited by 400sedave on Wednesday 3rd March 21:41

CarZee

13,382 posts

267 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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I stand corrected...



Remember, DJ27, Dave's here to help you with all your MR2 troubles..

>> Edited by CarZee on Wednesday 3rd March 22:03

IS200RJR

796 posts

242 months

Wednesday 3rd March 2004
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its toyota it will out live you no doubt about it! buy it get the rust sorted and enjoy running it problay the best £1400 you will ever spend

shadowninja

76,354 posts

282 months

Thursday 4th March 2004
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Bought a '93 200sx for a year (ie 10 yr old car) and it ran perfectly (it has a turbo too...). Just mild rust in the usual place.

douglasr

1,092 posts

272 months

Thursday 4th March 2004
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Your dad has a valid point, however it is based on cars of the 60's and 70's maybe - not the 90's (guessing). In saying that, I sold my BMW to my data and its now 10 years old. It is starting to
suffer from old age - battery, alternator, suspension bushes, electric window motor etc. Nothing major, but constant maintanence required. The only thing you need to worry about on the MR2 is any failure
requiring an engine out job - try one of the MR2 boards to gauge opinion on how often this happens (cam belt maybe ?)

mechsympathy

52,750 posts

255 months

Thursday 4th March 2004
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I had various problems with mine over 4 years/40k.

New water pump - fiddly as hell to do.
New head gasket - garage job.
Big end went - replaced the engine, one hell of a weekend.
5th gear selector went - Garage job, lasted 11 months, fixed under warranty, lasted 13 months
And the T-bar roof leaked.

Bizarrely mine had almost no rust

I imagine the cambelt change would be a pig as it's tight as a ticks winky in the engine bay.

After all this I still have vague regrets about selling it - it was brilliant.

The DJ 27

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2,666 posts

253 months

Tuesday 9th March 2004
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My dad has talked me out of having an MR2 as a daily driver (git!), but the idea has been resurrected as me and my mates first trackday car, what with it being rear wheel drive and all. Any thoughts on it's suitablility for trackdays

mechsympathy

52,750 posts

255 months

Tuesday 9th March 2004
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Strip it of all excess weight and I reckon you'll have a hoot.

The DJ 27

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Tuesday 9th March 2004
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The plan at the moment is:

Strip the interior completely, bung in a pair of racing seats and harnesses

Bit of and induction kit, exhaust, Koni adjustable shocks with fast road/track springs, track day mentalist tyres or even used slicks.

We've added it up and we reckon we can do that, including a decent MR2, for about £2800. Seems a cracking idea to me

DustyC

12,820 posts

254 months

Tuesday 9th March 2004
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Its a Dad thing, they all say that!
if you told him you were getting an old volvo* he'd probably say "thats a bit dull!"

Had a Celica for 9 years (bewtween me and my brother).

Serviced it ourselves the whole time with one problem that involved a garage.
All the Jap stuff is good for reliability.


*replace "Volvo" with any car manufacturer you think is dull. Dont flame me, you are wasting your time. I dont care!

The DJ 27

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Tuesday 9th March 2004
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Well his current argument is that the metal is 14 years old and it'll be knackered. To be fair he is a very skilled metal worker, but I've researched this to death and I can't see any major bills lurking if I buy carefully and look after it. And if it's a track car then rust won't be quite the issue it could be if it was my daily driver. The more I think about it the more tempted I am.

The DJ 27

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Tuesday 9th March 2004
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Car: £1300 (give or take a couple of hundred quid either way)

Fully adjustable koni dampers and 35mm drop fast road springs: £600-£700 fitted

Blitz induction kit: £139

Mongoose stainless steel exhaust: £290

Brakes: £400 ish

That little lot comes to £2729, taking some prices as ballpark figures. That's split between two people, so it's a pretty affordable way of doing trackdays to me. It's a Mk1 MR2, not a Mk2

The DJ 27

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Tuesday 9th March 2004
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Bugger, the car we were looking at has been sold. I have a feeling this is going to be a long search

DustyC

12,820 posts

254 months

Tuesday 9th March 2004
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The DJ 27 said:
Bugger, the car we were looking at has been sold. I have a feeling this is going to be a long search



Tell me about it!
you gotta be quick.

BTW, buy the brakes before the other mods.

Edited: and dont forget the helmet and insurance

>> Edited by DustyC on Tuesday 9th March 17:25