New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

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pingu393

4,481 posts

171 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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I've done a bit of searching and this only seems to apply to BMWs and not Minis - is this true, or are Minis affected as well?

va1o

15,951 posts

173 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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pingu393 said:
I've done a bit of searching and this only seems to apply to BMWs and not Minis - is this true, or are Minis affected as well?
It hasn't been confirmed. Theoretically an R56 MINi shares the same technology and potentially the same flaw so would be affected, but in practice I haven't seen any reports.

Steffan

10,362 posts

194 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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va1o said:
pingu393 said:
I've done a bit of searching and this only seems to apply to BMWs and not Minis - is this true, or are Minis affected as well?
It hasn't been confirmed. Theoretically an R56 MINi shares the same technology and potentially the same flaw so would be affected, but in practice I haven't seen any reports.
I think that the consensus on the forum has recognised that the very high parts value of these cars and desirability makes the theft very much more profitable because the thieves can and are turning the thefts into real cash relatively easily. The owners are to an extent victims of the Brand strength. Other cars such as the BMW Mini's are probably just at risk of theft, BUT cannot be fenced for anything like the same value.

Small comfort but I do think that is the primary reason why other brands who have similar primary security flaws are not on the missing list. Just not as easily fenced.

Chr1sch

2,560 posts

159 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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So... I sold my 530d on a 56 plate a few weeks ago however just had a call from Rybrook down the road...

Even though BMW were adamant my car wasn't eligible (being a Nov 06 car with key fob not blade) they now say it is and were inviting me in for a software update...

LeoSayer

6,408 posts

210 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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A friend of the family had her 4 week old Fiesta nicked a couple of weeks ago from outside her house during the night. She still has the keys.

The Police told her that 50 Fiestas had been stolen in the past month in the East London area.

stevensdrs

2,812 posts

166 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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LeoSayer said:
A friend of the family had her 4 week old Fiesta nicked a couple of weeks ago from outside her house during the night. She still has the keys.

The Police told her that 50 Fiestas had been stolen in the past month in the East London area.
Would that be the ones with the fancy new key you don't need to put in the ignition?

MikeIndiaZero

12 posts

105 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Chr1sch said:
So... I sold my 530d on a 56 plate a few weeks ago however just had a call from Rybrook down the road...

Even though BMW were adamant my car wasn't eligible (being a Nov 06 car with key fob not blade) they now say it is and were inviting me in for a software update...
Similar here - 2 months ago local BMW dealer adamant my car (55 plate) wasn't affected even though I argued that actually no I think it is.

Phone call today to offer me the software upgrade.

aeropilot

24,485 posts

193 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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stevensdrs said:
LeoSayer said:
A friend of the family had her 4 week old Fiesta nicked a couple of weeks ago from outside her house during the night. She still has the keys.

The Police told her that 50 Fiestas had been stolen in the past month in the East London area.
Would that be the ones with the fancy new key you don't need to put in the ignition?
Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Similarily, I'd be curious to know what the stats on all the nicked BMW's is regarding percentage of cars nicked that had comfort access option vs. those without.

Elroy Blue

8,398 posts

158 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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stevensdrs said:
LeoSayer said:
A friend of the family had her 4 week old Fiesta nicked a couple of weeks ago from outside her house during the night. She still has the keys.

The Police told her that 50 Fiestas had been stolen in the past month in the East London area.
Would that be the ones with the fancy new key you don't need to put in the ignition?
Fiesta's are suffering the same problem as BMWs

t8cmf

342 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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More information on the "security fix" has been shared on some other forums. The links are below for those of you who haven't found them yet.

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=654...

http://www.bmwforums.info/bmw-ice-security-mobile-...

spbspb

1 posts

103 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Hi Guys,
I had my 08 M3 nicked last Sat night/Sun morning. By the time I reported theft to Trafficmaster, the tracker was not sending a signal.
Now, what was interesting - and where I would like expert advice - is about what Trafficmaster told me about their tracking system.
They say that when the car is started, the tracker sends its last parked location.
They say the last transmission located it at my local shops (and not on my drive from which it was nicked). I had indeed been to the local shops earler in the day and that was my last journey.
Hence it sounds like thieves did not clone key and use it to drive off.
Trafficmaster also say that if the car is rolled onto a lowloader, the movement without ignition being used will also cause an alert to be transmitted.
I guess the thieves could have cloned the key, opened the car, found the tracker and ripped it out, then driven off. But that would surely have taken a lot of time unless they knew where to look?
Does anyone know details of the Trafficmaster system? Are they telling me BS? Or if the thieves are just getting more clever?
Any input would be appreciated.

Steffan

10,362 posts

194 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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spbspb said:
Hi Guys,
I had my 08 M3 nicked last Sat night/Sun morning. By the time I reported theft to Trafficmaster, the tracker was not sending a signal.
Now, what was interesting - and where I would like expert advice - is about what Trafficmaster told me about their tracking system.
They say that when the car is started, the tracker sends its last parked location.
They say the last transmission located it at my local shops (and not on my drive from which it was nicked). I had indeed been to the local shops earler in the day and that was my last journey.
Hence it sounds like thieves did not clone key and use it to drive off.
Trafficmaster also say that if the car is rolled onto a lowloader, the movement without ignition being used will also cause an alert to be transmitted.
I guess the thieves could have cloned the key, opened the car, found the tracker and ripped it out, then driven off. But that would surely have taken a lot of time unless they knew where to look?
Does anyone know details of the Trafficmaster system? Are they telling me BS? Or if the thieves are just getting more clever?
Any input would be appreciated.
I am extremely sorry to hear of the theft of your car. It does seem to me that the thieves or their informants are clearly at least as up to date as the manufacturers and security firms in the car business, Very possibly better informed.

The whole security question on these cars is clearly a very complicated issue, In your case the fact that the tracker did not give ANY information, out on movement, last position etc MUST be a real concern.

It does seem to me that the scumbag scrotes who are involved in this have better access to the reality of how these security systems can be scuppered than all of the owners of the cars, the manufacturers and the supposed experts in vehicle security.

There will have to be a major change in limiting access via the OBD ports and other similar devices which clearly compromises the security of all the effected vehicles. I think the only way to avoid the problem currently in urban areas is to not buy the affected brand of cars.

I appreciate that this is not welcome news. But rereading the post above definitely suggests to me that there is, as yet NO REAL DEFENCE to determined thieves on the affected cars.

I do not think the tracker failing to operate correctly is a coincidence in any way shape or form. The scrotes clearly have a means of effecting silence upon the tracker. I doubt if the tracker makers yet know how.

bathamj

14 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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I'm fairly new to this one but read on a site explaining the move of the OBD port that it is cars 2006 to 2011; so a car ordered in November now, would be safeguarded; will it?

va1o

15,951 posts

173 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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bathamj said:
I'm fairly new to this one but read on a site explaining the move of the OBD port that it is cars 2006 to 2011; so a car ordered in November now, would be safeguarded; will it?
Hard to answer, in theory Yes but to me what would be different about e.g. a 2012 E92 to make it not at risk compared to a 2007? They've said the latest F-models are OK but I don't know about the E-models which are still sold.

bathamj

14 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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well what about a new M135i? Is that likely to have security concerns; couldn't/haven't BMW moved the OBD port and changed some software or whatever? I confess I haven't checked out all 128 pages of this thread so I might have missed plenty

Simes205

4,044 posts

194 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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fraz1001 said:
Simes205 said:
Birdster said:
Anyone had their 3 series done yet?

ETA: Read back a few pages and see November has been suggested. Will see. smile

Edited by Birdster on Monday 29th October 16:41
I called BMW back in August regarding our 2005/6 E91. They basically told me that nothing was going to be done but they would call.
During that time I relocated the OBD port etc.

Today BMW called me and stated that my main dealer would be carrying out the security upgrade in the next two weeks.
I await their call.
So BMW called ypu just to tell you that? Has anyone else received a call like this?

I didn't trust the call and didn't give them my details incase it was some undesireable looking to steal my motor.
My local dealer called today.
Car booked in for the free "Security enhancement" and a free hoover/wash and health check.
This all from my call to customer services back in late August for our E91 2006.


pingu393

4,481 posts

171 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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spbspb said:
Hi Guys,
I had my 08 M3 nicked last Sat night/Sun morning. By the time I reported theft to Trafficmaster, the tracker was not sending a signal.
Now, what was interesting - and where I would like expert advice - is about what Trafficmaster told me about their tracking system.
They say that when the car is started, the tracker sends its last parked location.
They say the last transmission located it at my local shops (and not on my drive from which it was nicked). I had indeed been to the local shops earler in the day and that was my last journey.
Hence it sounds like thieves did not clone key and use it to drive off.
Trafficmaster also say that if the car is rolled onto a lowloader, the movement without ignition being used will also cause an alert to be transmitted.
I guess the thieves could have cloned the key, opened the car, found the tracker and ripped it out, then driven off. But that would surely have taken a lot of time unless they knew where to look?
Does anyone know details of the Trafficmaster system? Are they telling me BS? Or if the thieves are just getting more clever?
Any input would be appreciated.
The Tracker system is usually buried deep inside the car and has its own power supply. To remove it in 10 minutes, they would need to know exactly where it was and destroy a lot of the car to get to it. I suspect that they may have found a way of jamming/blocking the signal.

[edit] I meant Tracker, not TrafficMaster silly

Edited by pingu393 on Wednesday 14th November 12:35

Mr Bimmer

283 posts

130 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Oh dear. Here's one for those that jumped ship to Audi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGsWCdg3fQU

aeropilot

24,485 posts

193 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Mr Bimmer said:
Oh dear. Here's one for those that jumped ship to Audi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGsWCdg3fQU
It was mentioned on here a while back by one of the BiB posters that Audi was likely the next target.


James P

2,822 posts

203 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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t8cmf said:
I've noticed from trawling various forums that BMW has started contacting owners of vehicles other than X5 / X6 owners over the last couple of days informing them that their upgrade / update will be ready in a week or two.

Has anybody on here been contacted by BMW saying that they will be upgrading their firmware very shortly?

If anybody does go in could you ask if there is a Service Information Bulletin (SIB) associated with this issue? If so, could you find the number. My dealership are very evasive on this matter and I like to be armed with some official BMW reference number or correspondence the next time I go in.
I had a call from my dealer today and have booked in for the "security update" (their words) - I'll ask about SIB when I'm there.

NB last time I was at the dealers the service assistant said that my vehicle (2011 Z4) was not affected - hopefully the same woman will be there next time to explain ...