Would you still buy a diesel BMW?

[moffat]

I agree, couldn't imagine owning an X5 with a petrol engine.

[smashy]

This diesel hating is a real sod ..just done 200 miles up to lincs and back to west london 52.8 OBC a typical journey for me in my 3ltr derv

[Ahbefive]

Letting off loads of nitrogen oxides and harmful carcinogenic particulates whilst saving yourself a tenner good for you.

[smashy]

Ahbefive said:

Letting off loads of nitrogen oxides and harmful carcinogenic particulates whilst saving yourself a tenner good for you.

We are all going to die of something might as well save £50 a week while doing it...anyway thankyou for reaching out.

Edited by smashy on Friday 21st April 20:36

[travelbug63]

Thanks everyone for your input, I should really stop been a big girls blouse and just make a decision.... Which I think I have.

For a few moments yesterday I had nearly decided on the 540i, but the residuals for that I believe are going to be even worse than a diesel I'm sure whatever the legislation.
So I'm going to order a diesel next week, now it's just making a decision on the options, because very rarely will you get much back on the residuals for them.

Thanks again

[daemon]

smashy said:

Ahbefive said:

Letting off loads of nitrogen oxides and harmful carcinogenic particulates whilst saving yourself a tenner good for you.

We are all going to die of something might as well save £50 a week while doing it...anyway thankyou for reaching out.

Edited by smashy on Friday 21st April 20:36

+1

Whats better - using a smaller amount of a particular fossil fuel, or more of a different one?

Its not like a petrol car puffs out fairy dust.

[rayyan171]

daemon said:

smashy said:

Ahbefive said:

Letting off loads of nitrogen oxides and harmful carcinogenic particulates whilst saving yourself a tenner good for you.

We are all going to die of something might as well save £50 a week while doing it...anyway thankyou for reaching out.

Edited by smashy on Friday 21st April 20:36

+1

Whats better - using a smaller amount of a particular fossil fuel, or more of a different one?

Its not like a petrol car puffs out fairy dust.

The diesels do 'puff' out ash and nano particles that can lead to cancer's, and have been proven to do so, at a talk I went to that a university held on the issue of diesel and the particles in it. It is known for some time now that diesels are much more harmful than running a petrol, but a petrol isn't harmless either!

[rayyan171]

335d said:

Even as someone who likes large petrol engines, having had 3 V8 BMWs, I find that the current crop of diesel engines are extremely well-suited to larger BMWs. In the type of car that you don't want to take to the red line, low down shove is preferable to high end power. The reverse is true for small cars - I would much rather have the 40i engine in a 1 Series than the 35d, which they sensibly don't offer in any case.

Interesting that (as mentioned before) some of the reviewers which I would expect to be enthusing about the 540i, have declared a preference fof the 530d http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/5-series/18586/bmw-540i-r...http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/bmw/bmw-5...

If I lived in London or drove there frequently, I might think twice about buying a diesel, even a Euro 6 one, but as I don't I would still choose diesel for a larger BMW.

You make a very good point here. The X5 3.0si struggles to get the car moving due to it's sheer size; the diesel simply moves the car much better and much more easily off the line and makes for a much more effortless drive. The same goes for the 7 series, the 740i has a 0-60 of 5.9s yet the 740d is 0-60 in 5.5 (or less?). Torque really gets larger, more luxurious cars moving much better, which is why the 5 series is now completely turbocharged to give more torque to the petrol engines too.

[daemon]

rayyan171 said:

daemon said:

smashy said:

Ahbefive said:

Letting off loads of nitrogen oxides and harmful carcinogenic particulates whilst saving yourself a tenner good for you.

We are all going to die of something might as well save £50 a week while doing it...anyway thankyou for reaching out.

Edited by smashy on Friday 21st April 20:36

+1

Whats better - using a smaller amount of a particular fossil fuel, or more of a different one?

Its not like a petrol car puffs out fairy dust.

The diesels do 'puff' out ash and nano particles that can lead to cancer's, and have been proven to do so, at a talk I went to that a university held on the issue of diesel and the particles in it. It is known for some time now that diesels are much more harmful than running a petrol, but a petrol isn't harmless either!

True. Though the real culprits for diesel pollution are the shipping industry.

Lets be honest diesel cars are going to be seen as an "easy target" for government taxes, justified of course by the hysteria being whipped up in the newspapers.

[rayyan171]

daemon said:

True. Though the real culprits for diesel pollution are the shipping industry.

Lets be honest diesel cars are going to be seen as an "easy target" for government taxes, justified of course by the hysteria being whipped up in the newspapers.

Yeah, really does seem like a cash cow for the government to take advantage of. Scare tactics work well, as demonstrated in the US.

[HoHoHo]

As far as I'm aware Diesels that are Euro 6 are pretty (as far as I can see read as very) clean

I have a new X5 M50d and love it (having come from an F10 M5). The way the engine carries the (heavy) car around is astonishing and as it stands I'm not included in any additional London (or wherever) pay as you drive costs, so yes I have one and would buy another diesel

[smashy]

HoHoHo said:

As far as I'm aware Diesels that are Euro 6 are pretty (as far as I can see read as very) clean

I have a new X5 M50d and love it (having come from an F10 M5). The way the engine carries the (heavy) car around is astonishing and as it stands I'm not included in any additional London (or wherever) pay as you drive costs, so yes I have one and would buy another diesel

Hi .apart from ringing up BMW does anyone know the definitive way to check if your car is a 5 or 6? I have read councils and gov are saying a cut off for penalising is cars made before sep 2015 or did I dream that?

EDITED http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/know-how/euro-em... so does this mean my car which is oct 2014 but model from sept 2012 means I am a 5?

Edited by smashy on Saturday 22 April 19:49

[HoHoHo]

smashy said:

HoHoHo said:

As far as I'm aware Diesels that are Euro 6 are pretty (as far as I can see read as very) clean

I have a new X5 M50d and love it (having come from an F10 M5). The way the engine carries the (heavy) car around is astonishing and as it stands I'm not included in any additional London (or wherever) pay as you drive costs, so yes I have one and would buy another diesel

Hi .apart from ringing up BMW does anyone know the definitive way to check if your car is a 5 or 6? I have read councils and gov are saying a cut off for penalising is cars made before sep 2015 or did I dream that?

EDITED http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/know-how/euro-em... so does this mean my car which is oct 2014 but model from sept 2012 means I am a 5?

Edited by smashy on Saturday 22 April 19:49

According to the RAC cars built after September 2014 must be Euro 6 compliant

[smashy]

Ho just checked my V5 its Euro 5 bugger!! researching shows a bit of ducking and diving from manufacturers

[Ahbefive]

Luckily they will be taxed off the roads soon enough and become borderline worthless.

[smashy]

Ahbefive said:

Luckily they will be taxed off the roads soon enough and become borderline worthless.

So your happy and gloating that many members on here would have lost thousands.You sound a real horrible git

Edited by smashy on Sunday 23 April 11:08

[335d]

Ahbefive said:

Luckily they will be taxed off the roads soon enough and become borderline worthless.

It's going to be a very long time until Euro 6 diesels are taxed off the roads. It would be political suicide with so many diesel cars on the road and with so many new ones being sold.

Some left-leaning London borough councils might make life tough for diesel owners, but that's so narrow in scope that I can't see that making much difference to used values. As I said, if I lived in London, I would probably think twice about buying a new diesel car today, but BMWs are quite capable of becoming worthless through over-supply, discounting and consequent savage depreciation without any help from the Government!

[Evanivitch]

daemon said:

True. Though the real culprits for diesel pollution are the shipping industry.

Lets be honest diesel cars are going to be seen as an "easy target" for government taxes, justified of course by the hysteria being whipped up in the newspapers.

The defence of the diesel engine isn't helped by moronic references about the shipping industry. Diesel ships don't travel within metres of people's front doors.

If you look at some of the most poluted streets in the UK you'll see that none are near ports or shipping lanes...

I'd still buy a diesel if i was doing mostly motorway miles to meetings/hotels in out-of-town locations. Infact that's exactly what I plan to do unless I can find an Ampera nearby.

[Ahbefive]

smashy said:

Ahbefive said:

Luckily they will be taxed off the roads soon enough and become borderline worthless.

So your happy and gloating that many members on here would have lost thousands.You sound a real horrible git

Edited by smashy on Sunday 23 April 11:08

No I'm happy that I, my children and everyone else won't have to breath in so many harmful particulates from selfish tight s that want to save a bit of cash at the expense of everyone elses health.

Anyway it's not too late to cash out before they are worthless. The real horrible git is the selfish diesel drivers (such as yourself) that put their pocket way above peoples health. A petrol isn't ideal but is way better for air quality and peoples lungs than stty diesel engines.

I hate being behind a diesel car and getting lungs full of that dirty diesel smell, it has gotten too popular and in the coming years you will see statistics of a huge increase in poor health directly related to the huge increase in diesels. Hopefully this will be reversed sooner rather than later.

[bad company]

Ahbefive said:

No I'm happy that I, my children and everyone else won't have to breath in so many harmful particulates from selfish tight s that want to save a bit of cash at the expense of everyone elses health.

Anyway it's not too late to cash out before they are worthless. The real horrible git is the selfish diesel drivers (such as yourself) that put their pocket way above peoples health. A petrol isn't ideal but is way better for air quality and peoples lungs than stty diesel engines.

I hate being behind a diesel car and getting lungs full of that dirty diesel smell, it has gotten too popular and in the coming years you will see statistics of a huge increase in poor health directly related to the huge increase in diesels. Hopefully this will be reversed sooner rather than later.

You'd make a great subject for this thread:-

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Seriously millions of people bought diesels because they thought and were told that they were BETTER for the environment.