Would you still buy a diesel BMW?

[bad company]

kingofdbrits said:

i don't think the Euro 6 engines are subject to the increased charges being proposed, so doubt much will change with new car sales?

In the recent test on what Nitrogen dioxide diesel engines actually chuck out compared to manufacturer claims, BMW was one of the best performers.

I think private buyers will be put off, but company car fleets less so, though i think petrol models will start to make an appearance on the company car choice lists for those that do low mileage.

Agree with above BUT residuals will be effected badly imo.

[smashy]

kingofdbrits said:

i don't think the Euro 6 engines are subject to the increased charges being proposed, so doubt much will change with new car sales?

In the recent test on what Nitrogen dioxide diesel engines actually chuck out compared to manufacturer claims, BMW was one of the best performers.

I think private buyers will be put off, but company car fleets less so, though i think petrol models will start to make an appearance on the company car choice lists for those that do low mileage.

"They " are saying cars before 2015 will be hammered so what is wrong with my oct 2014 car which is euro 6 according to the AA website

EDIT think they are sadly wrong according to this http://www.dieselcar.com/features/euro-6-understan... my 64 plate was NOT a newly introduced model

Edited by smashy on Thursday 6th April 22:12

[Welshbeef]

bad company said:

Agree with above BUT residuals will be effected badly imo.

Winners and losers always.

So let's say you run a 320d how would you fancy a D5 which is smashed in value? Cost to change is vastly reduced.

In the last 7 years I can only recall twice having needed to buy London Congestion charge so even if that does escalate dramatically in £ it's frequency makes it a non issue (ph and those two times cost was expensed so no personal impact).

[JNW1]

Fox- said:

However I notice it's now been updated and the combined figure of the most efficient 540i is 40.9mpg which is much better - but still 22mpg short of the most efficient 530d.

Edited by Fox- on Thursday 6th April 18:30

I appreciate you're only quoting what it says on the BMW website but I reckon there's very little chance of a 530d achieving over 60mpg in normal driving unless you're going so slowly as to render a 30d pointless! Personally I agree with the other comments on this thread to the effect petrols tend to get much closer to their claimed figures than diesels - that's certainly been my experience.

[335d]

Fox- said:

In an ideal world the 540i is clearly a superior car to the 530d and the obvious choice.(

A couple of the reviews have suggested the opposite:

http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/5-series/18586/bmw-540i-r...

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/bmw/bmw-5...

I haven't driven either though, but I can understand what they mean - I certainly think the 640d is a better car than the 640i

[Fox-]

JNW1 said:

I appreciate you're only quoting what it says on the BMW website but I reckon there's very little chance of a 530d achieving over 60mpg in normal driving unless you're going so slowly as to render a 30d pointless! Personally I agree with the other comments on this thread to the effect petrols tend to get much closer to their claimed figures than diesels - that's certainly been my experience.

I realise the figures are rubbish but then there is no chance of a 540i doing 50mpg extra urban either, so they are hopefully comparatively rubbish.

[E-bmw]

Why limit the question?

I wouldn't buy a diesel the end.

[Kateg28]

E-bmw said:

Why limit the question?

I wouldn't buy a diesel the end.

But then you are not the target market are you? The question is about whether you would change your buying preference due to the current diesel backlash. If you would never have bought a diesel anyway, why are you answering? You actually haven't added anything to the conversation.

[bad company]

E-bmw said:

Why limit the question?

I wouldn't buy a diesel the end.

I said that until my dealer lent me a 640d which changed my mind. After the 640d I bought a 335d x-drive. Both cars had great performance and economy, fantastic.

As I said above I have now bought a new 540i and wouldn't even try the Diesel engine. Like it or not the tide is turning.

[aeropilot]

Fas1975 said:

would I buy a diesel BMW? I just did. X6 40d.

So did I.....X5 40d.

Didn't really have much other option with that type of vehicle, the 5.0i V8 version and X5M were way out of my price range in terms of buying and running costs, so soot-chucker it had to be.

[GTEYE]

daemon said:

alock said:

GTEYE said:

What would people choose if you were buying a new "reasonably priced" BMW now?

The entire lease & pcp industry is based on predicting residual values. While diesel monthly payments are still cheaper than petrol it would be fair to assume depreciation will be better.

Thats exactly it.

Whilst most buyers of new cars on PH seem to be Powerfully Built Company Directors who buy with cash, the vast bulk are sold via PCH or PCP deals, so any medium term residual value concerns arent really an issue.

Would it a reasonable assumption that as long as lease rates on diesel to petrol remain stable, there's no immediate cause for concern, but if BMW starts to wind back assumed residuals and increase lease rates on diesels, then perhaps cause for concern?

Going back to the original question, I personally wouldn't pick a 320i over a 320d - whilst perhaps a sweeter engine, if you do any kind of mileage (which lets face it most of these cars do), surely the 320d (EU6 obviously) still has to be the more logical choice at the moment?

On the 330e - whilst they benefitted from a 7% BIK rate for 2016/17, that loophole is fast closing and by 2019/20 it rises up to 16% - but in fairness still much better than a non-hybrid petrol or diesel.

[VerySideways]

To put a different perspective on it - if i was buying, i'd buy a petrol (because i like them!), but if it was a company car i would almost certainly get a diesel even though i massively prefer petrols and am happy to pay the extra on fuel.
Why?
Because the government still insists on taxing (BIK) based on g/km emissions which still favour diesels, and you can't get a 330e in a touring format.

If the government wants to encourage people out of diesels due to NOx and so on, they should maintain or improve the tax benefits to company cars users so that petrol/electric hybrid technology becomes more attractive to more people. That in turn would encourage the manufacturers to put more effort into that area also.

I am fairly certain that the vast majority of new cars, and certainly new 3ers and 5ers, are bought as company cars.
The government forced a switch from petrols to diesels for the fleet market when they implemented the current taxation scheme.
They could just as easily push the fleet market in a different direction by manipulating the BIK rules.

[E-bmw]

Kateg28 said:

E-bmw said:

Why limit the question?

I wouldn't buy a diesel the end.

But then you are not the target market are you? The question is about whether you would change your buying preference due to the current diesel backlash. If you would never have bought a diesel anyway, why are you answering? You actually haven't added anything to the conversation.

You, yourself have just asked the question "The question is about whether you would change your buying preference due to the current diesel backlash."

My answer is no.

Then you say by answering I have added nothing to the question.

If the OP didn't want the question answering, why bother asking the question?

Are you the internet forum police or something?

[smashy]

come on lads lets not a? The BMW section is pretty good when it comes to BS nonsense ,which is why I never venture over to general Gassing and stay here,good luck. me i am the proverbial gutted with all this Diesel hate,travel the country visit so many Cities no one pays for my Fuel......could be a real blow

[CarsOrBikes]

The current BMW diesel engines are euro 6 compliant, and the diesels are running CO equal or less than the petrol equivalent and Nox lower than most, this has come from massive investment, so I hope that BMW do not actually suffer the brunt of future taxation.

The Government need to tax the manufacturer models that simply aren't meeting the criteria.

I have had in the last 16 months, 320d, 120d x2 435d x2 and now an M140, which is on 30,8mpg, the 120 rwd was 48, the x drive was 46, the first 435 was 42, the second 40, and none of those, or any current BMW diesel I have seen, chucks out plumes of soot on throttle that almost any other make I've been behind in traffic does.

So for me, I'll have another diesel even if taxed more, the overall economy, and performance is worth it.

The maintenance costs of petrol used to be lower, but now it isn't as it has inherited diesel fuelling technology now with very high pressure systems, and smart cooling, the diesel is actually a better long term proposition in my mind.

Another 435d coupe please. (needs to be a 440d in the range really)

Only my2p though

[jjr1]

Welshbeef said:

smashy said:

re MPG on that 540i wasnt the old back of a fag packet formula for your real mpg the combined minus 20% ,,,,works on my 330d

All of my main cars on my commute and brim to brim are very close to if not ahead of the official combined. However everybodies combined mpg will be totally different as use driving style weight carried mechanical aymoathy.

What the fk is 'aymoathy'?

[Pioneer]

E-bmw said:

You, yourself have just asked the question "The question is about whether you would change your buying preference due to the current diesel backlash."

My answer is no.

Then you say by answering I have added nothing to the question.

If the OP didn't want the question answering, why bother asking the question?

Are you the internet forum police or something?

Your answer is no. Your answer is also irrelevant. Your buying preference is already petrol so the question does not apply to you. That's what he meant.

[Mr Tidy]

I was doing business mileage with a car allowance back in 2005, so I bought a 320td. Luckily no swirl flap ingestion before I swapped it for a 123d!

Then I left the business use arena and started to read N47 engine cam-chain horror stories, so after nearly a decade of tractoring I decided to buy something I really wanted!

So I got a Z4 Coupe, and discovered the joys of straight 6 petrol ownership - lovely! Then I bought a 325ti as a daily for practical purposes.

Would I ever buy another diesel (BMW or otherwise) - NO!

It may cost me a bit more, but that is a price I am happy to pay for the driving experience.

But to be fair if I was still doing loads of miles for work with mileage allowance I would probably go for a 330d - I believe the 6 cylinder diesels have fewer problems than the 4s.

[daemon]

GTEYE said:

Would it a reasonable assumption that as long as lease rates on diesel to petrol remain stable, there's no immediate cause for concern, but if BMW starts to wind back assumed residuals and increase lease rates on diesels, then perhaps cause for concern?

Yes. I think that BMW, etc will start to reduce the residual values gradually, and perhaps improve / promote the "offers" on petrol variants.

Of interest actually, i've just had a look at the BMW website and all the PCP offers that they are promoting at the minute on 1 series, 2, 3 & 4 series are all on petrol variants. Its the 5 series before they pitch diesel deals. I'm sure there are offers on the diesel variants too of sub 5 series models, but its interesting they're pitching petrol deals....

https://offers.bmw.co.uk/finance-offers/

[smashy]

jjr1 said:

What the fk is 'aymoathy'?

Come on you know he meant to type Sympathy .........typos? Who cares