Would you still buy a diesel BMW?

[Wills2]

aeropilot said:

Fas1975 said:

would I buy a diesel BMW? I just did. X6 40d.

So did I.....X5 40d.

Didn't really have much other option with that type of vehicle, the 5.0i V8 version and X5M were way out of my price range in terms of buying and running costs, so soot-chucker it had to be.

Diesels make sense in 2 tonne+ SUV and suit the cars very well, but in a 3 or 5 series a modern 3ltr petrol is much better than the diesel variant.

[smashy]

Wills2 said:

Diesels make sense in 2 tonne+ SUV and suit the cars very well, but in a 3 or 5 series a modern 3ltr petrol is much better than the diesel variant.

Not when your doing 35k a year and every pound counts ,you just cant come out with a 100% statement like that wills ,740 miles this week and 49.8 on the MPG and can shift when I need to in the 3 ltr derv Sadly they will be like steam trains in the not too distant future ie History

[anonymous-user]

Wills2 said:

aeropilot said:

Fas1975 said:

would I buy a diesel BMW? I just did. X6 40d.

So did I.....X5 40d.

Didn't really have much other option with that type of vehicle, the 5.0i V8 version and X5M were way out of my price range in terms of buying and running costs, so soot-chucker it had to be.

Diesels make sense in 2 tonne+ SUV and suit the cars very well, but in a 3 or 5 series a modern 3ltr petrol is much better than the diesel variant.

Many owners of 3 litre 5 series diesels might not agree with you and most reviewers seem to prefer the diesel to the petrol in the F30.

Of course there is only one 3 litre F30, the 540, with xdrive at the moment.

I would say, as the owner of a 530D F10, I'd certainly like to try a petrol 3 litre. It would presumably be less expensive to buy and I don't do that many miles any more

However, I have no need of or interest in 4WD so unless they bring out a 2WD 540, it looks like it'll be another diesel or another brand.

[smashy]

I also would really like to try a 340i to see what the fuss is about. Last petrol car I drove in 20 years was a 3 cylinder 1ltr corsa 2 years ago as a courtesy car , sounded like a scalextric car very fizzy thing it was

[boxedin]

smashy said:

Not when your doing 35k a year and every pound counts ,you just cant come out with a 100% statement like that wills ,740 miles this week and 49.8 on the MPG and can shift when I need to in the 3 ltr derv Sadly they will be like steam trains in the not too distant future ie History

Agreed, as someone who does 30K a year around the UK and Europe. I did a lot of looking into petrol vs diesel last year and decided on another diesel after weighing it all up. I like low-revving, torque heavy engines too, whether its 2 wheels or four.

Plus there's something I like about filling up in Luxembourg and driving home with plenty of spare fuel left over!

[FurryExocet]

E-bmw said:

Why limit the question?

I wouldn't buy a diesel the end.

I was also in that camp years ago, always had petrol engines, fast saloons and hatchbacks, then my circumstances changed and I couldn't afford the fuel, doing 100 miles a day, just for work.

Once the need for the diesel had gone, I would probably still have one, I get the same performance as my old Vrs, but the mpg is sooo much better (although I do miss the engine sound)

[E-bmw]

FurryExocet said:

E-bmw said:

Why limit the question?

I wouldn't buy a diesel the end.

I was also in that camp years ago, always had petrol engines, fast saloons and hatchbacks, then my circumstances changed and I couldn't afford the fuel, doing 100 miles a day, just for work.

Once the need for the diesel had gone, I would probably still have one, I get the same performance as my old Vrs, but the mpg is sooo much better (although I do miss the engine sound)

And, in those circumstances I could possibly have a different answer to the original question.

At 8,000m in 18 months there is only one answer.

Even at 20,000/year I was still running a 3.0 petrol e39.

[E-bmw]

Pioneer said:

E-bmw said:

You, yourself have just asked the question "The question is about whether you would change your buying preference due to the current diesel backlash."

My answer is no.

Then you say by answering I have added nothing to the question.

If the OP didn't want the question answering, why bother asking the question?

Are you the internet forum police or something?

Your answer is no. Your answer is also irrelevant. Your buying preference is already petrol so the question does not apply to you. That's what he meant.

I am well aware of what he meant but that doesn't change the fact that someone asked a question and why should anyone who (to put it quite simply) 100% totally irrevocably disagrees for their own reasons?

That strikes me as not being a particularly balanced view.

[Wills2]

smashy said:

Wills2 said:

Diesels make sense in 2 tonne+ SUV and suit the cars very well, but in a 3 or 5 series a modern 3ltr petrol is much better than the diesel variant.

Not when your doing 35k a year and every pound counts ,you just cant come out with a 100% statement like that wills ,740 miles this week and 49.8 on the MPG and can shift when I need to in the 3 ltr derv Sadly they will be like steam trains in the not too distant future ie History

I did 1000 miles last week at an average of 32mpg, we do the same amount of miles cost different is about £40 a week.

[Wills2]

REALIST123 said:

Wills2 said:

aeropilot said:

Fas1975 said:

would I buy a diesel BMW? I just did. X6 40d.

So did I.....X5 40d.

Didn't really have much other option with that type of vehicle, the 5.0i V8 version and X5M were way out of my price range in terms of buying and running costs, so soot-chucker it had to be.

Diesels make sense in 2 tonne+ SUV and suit the cars very well, but in a 3 or 5 series a modern 3ltr petrol is much better than the diesel variant.

Many owners of 3 litre 5 series diesels might not agree with you and most reviewers seem to prefer the diesel to the petrol in the F30.

Of course there is only one 3 litre F30, the 540, with xdrive at the moment.

I would say, as the owner of a 530D F10, I'd certainly like to try a petrol 3 litre. It would presumably be less expensive to buy and I don't do that many miles any more

However, I have no need of or interest in 4WD so unless they bring out a 2WD 540, it looks like it'll be another diesel or another brand.

I'm not those reviewers hence I gave my opinion, I feel the same way about diesel as you do about AWD.

[smashy]

£40 a week Wills on a 46 week year that to me is a barrel load of money ,not sure what your trying to say ?

[Wills2]

smashy said:

£40 a week Wills on a 46 week year that to me is a barrel load of money ,not sure what your trying to say ?

Well it isn't is it? Less than £6 a day, many people spend more than that on packet of cigarettes or a couple of Starbucks coffees a day.

Why didn't you get a 320ed and save even more money? You'd save more than £40 a week buying and running one of those to running a 330d,

You're trying to convince yourself it's a huge cost difference but it isn't really.

[GTEYE]

Wills2 said:

smashy said:

£40 a week Wills on a 46 week year that to me is a barrel load of money ,not sure what your trying to say ?

Well it isn't is it? Less than £6 a day, many people spend more than that on packet of cigarettes or a couple of Starbucks coffees a day.

Why didn't you get a 320ed and save even more money? You'd save more than £40 a week buying and running one of those to running a 330d,

You're trying to convince yourself it's a huge cost difference but it isn't really.

For me, the difference isn't so much about cost, but it's about range.

In the diesel I can safely cover my week's motoring of 5-600 miles without having to find a filling station.

I still have nightmares from many years ago with thirsty six cylinder VR6 Golfs that would only do 250 miles on a tank.....

Undoubtedly things are now much better, but when you're used to decent range (and you do a lot of miles) it is a factor.

Having said that I still fancy a 440i....

[bad company]

GTEYE said:

For me, the difference isn't so much about cost, but it's about range.

In the diesel I can safely cover my week's motoring of 5-600 miles without having to find a filling station.

I still have nightmares from many years ago with thirsty six cylinder VR6 Golfs that would only do 250 miles on a tank.....

Undoubtedly things are now much better, but when you're used to decent range (and you do a lot of miles) it is a factor.

Having said that I still fancy a 440i....

With the 440i you will probably fill up twice a week rather than once. That's around 5 minutes out of your week.

[JackReacher]

What are the four cylinder turbo petrols like in terms of economy and long term reliability? Would a 328i or later 330i see 40mpg on a run?

[smashy]

Wills Please dont come over all salesman like with your "its just a daily visit to the newsagent " schtik ive been doing the exact same thing to customers for years I wanted a 330d I wanted that power to go with the great MPG i dont want a 320ed or a petrol is that fair enough?

Edited by smashy on Tuesday 11th April 15:54

[Maracus]

JackReacher said:

What are the four cylinder turbo petrols like in terms of economy and long term reliability? Would a 328i or later 330i see 40mpg on a run?

I've got an 328i Touring auto. At 70 it will see 45+. My long term average over 2 1/2 years/35k is 35mpg. When I compare it to my old E46 325i auto, its about 10mpg better.

[Maracus]

JackReacher said:

What are the four cylinder turbo petrols like in terms of economy and long term reliability? Would a 328i or later 330i see 40mpg on a run?

I've got an 328i Touring auto. At 70 it will see 45+. My long term average over 2 1/2 years/35k is 35mpg. When I compare it to my old E46 325i auto, its about 10mpg better.

[JackReacher]

Maracus said:

I've got an 328i Touring auto. At 70 it will see 45+. My long term average over 2 1/2 years/35k is 35mpg. When I compare it to my old E46 325i auto, its about 10mpg better.

Thanks that's better than expected. There aren't many used ones around, guess most people go for the 320d or 330d. The residuals don't seem that strong either compared to diesel but maybe that will change. I often hear people saying that BMW 4 cylinders are unreliable, is there much to report with the recent engines?

[Maracus]

Not had any issues with our 328i. It uses no oil and bar a failed Cat (fixed under warranty) it's been faultless.