130i........doesn't feel as fast as it should?
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aeropilot said:
The 8sp ZF is the better transmission option by a long way, suits the engine much better than the 6MT.
6MT option is the much better gearbox for this car, as it is a drivers car. Suits the nature of the engine better as the auto has too many gears. 
Edit: forgot to say that blue cars are better than red ones. Muse is also much better than Nickleback as they suit the human ears more. Don't get me started on Apples being so much better than bananas.
Edited by Mike335i on Tuesday 20th June 13:19
Mike335i said:
aeropilot said:
The 8sp ZF is the better transmission option by a long way, suits the engine much better than the 6MT.
6MT option is the much better gearbox for this car, as it is a drivers car. Suits the nature of the engine better as the auto has too many gears. paul n said:
the car I am looking at is a black 2012 3 door manual with heated seats sat nav etc. very low miles at 20k and I would only be putting about 7k a year on it so thinking keep it for 2 years I shouldn't lose much as it will still be pretty low miles!
any body know if that is a desirable spec? I prefer a manual but everybody seems to be going for the auto and flappy paddles these days!
Sounds pretty decent.any body know if that is a desirable spec? I prefer a manual but everybody seems to be going for the auto and flappy paddles these days!
You need to try the auto and the manual. I had the manual on demo but ended up buying an auto. The 8 speed auto box works really well.
aeropilot said:
Mike335i said:
aeropilot said:
The 8sp ZF is the better transmission option by a long way, suits the engine much better than the 6MT.
6MT option is the much better gearbox for this car, as it is a drivers car. Suits the nature of the engine better as the auto has too many gears. paul n said:
rm163603 said:
The N52 (the 130 engine) is definitely more reliable than the N54 (twin turbo 135i coupe) engine.
No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
the car I am looking at is a black 2012 3 door manual with heated seats sat nav etc. very low miles at 20k and I would only be putting about 7k a year on it so thinking keep it for 2 years I shouldn't lose much as it will still be pretty low miles! No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
aeropilot said:
Given you said you wanted a hatch because of baby stuff etc.,etc......I would be looking for a 5-door M135 not a 3-dr, as you'll soon tire of trying to get the nipper into and out of a baby seat through the door with the seat forward.......!!!
A 5 door could be better but for the price I, ll be paying it is worth the hassle as I have a skoda octavia estate for all the main baby duties (work car) so it wouldnt be our main car. Steering wide I thought it was pretty good! And this is from a guy who has had a caterham! Of course it is not going to be as good as that but compared to my work cars (VAG group) and other cars I have driven (including audi rs4) feels pretty good to me!
So guess's people of value of that spec car in 2 years with 35k on the clock?
Given that there are some M135is now in the mid to high teens , in a couple of years time , even with low miles, 11k sale price would be my guess assuming good condition; but lower necessary to sell reasonably quickly if there's too many around.
I agree with whoever said they will keep dropping until they hit 10k where they will be such bargains they will be snapped up. Thus demand will eat into supply.
I'm basing this a little on 335i coupe valuations though i believe they were never as popular.
Paul , didn't realise you wanted a hatch in which case the 135i coupe was not a good recommendation.
I agree with whoever said they will keep dropping until they hit 10k where they will be such bargains they will be snapped up. Thus demand will eat into supply.
I'm basing this a little on 335i coupe valuations though i believe they were never as popular.
Paul , didn't realise you wanted a hatch in which case the 135i coupe was not a good recommendation.
rm163603 said:
That's a really good point actually. My 130 was a facelift so had electric steering. The 135i coupe I've got now has much nicer hydraulic steering. The M135i is somewhere in between, not quite as artificial feeling as the 130 but still nowhere near as nice as the hydraulic set up.
To be honest I agree that the steering has taken a backwards step. My hydraulic setup in my LCI E90 is great compared to the electric setup in the M235i I have driven, but the reality is all cars are headed this way and the BMW electric setup is a little better than some rivals. It's a bit naff, but still a great car to drive! Smuler said:
Given that there are some M135is now in the mid to high teens , in a couple of years time , even with low miles, 11k sale price would be my guess assuming good condition; but lower necessary to sell reasonably quickly if there's too many around.
I agree with whoever said they will keep dropping until they hit 10k where they will be such bargains they will be snapped up. Thus demand will eat into supply.
I'm basing this a little on 335i coupe valuations though i believe they were never as popular.
Paul , didn't realise you wanted a hatch in which case the 135i coupe was not a good recommendation.
Bloody hell 2.5 k a year !! I agree with whoever said they will keep dropping until they hit 10k where they will be such bargains they will be snapped up. Thus demand will eat into supply.
I'm basing this a little on 335i coupe valuations though i believe they were never as popular.
Paul , didn't realise you wanted a hatch in which case the 135i coupe was not a good recommendation.
I think I have lose the grand total of about 250 quid in depreciation on my last 4 cars total so this all new to me!
Maybe I should stick to what I know!!
Either that or keep for a little longer to spread the pain a little.
I would weep buying one of these from new!!
aeropilot said:
paul n said:
rm163603 said:
The N52 (the 130 engine) is definitely more reliable than the N54 (twin turbo 135i coupe) engine.
No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
the car I am looking at is a black 2012 3 door manual with heated seats sat nav etc. very low miles at 20k and I would only be putting about 7k a year on it so thinking keep it for 2 years I shouldn't lose much as it will still be pretty low miles! No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
It's only a guess-timate, but if it's (fairly)accurate then yes, you could probably keep it another year and not lose much (if anything) more.
In my humble opinion, don't see what will keep them from depreciating over next two years in which case why would an example like this now 15k private sale, not to be offered for around 12k and thus , assuming everyone gets discount, sell for a bit less.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
In my humble opinion, don't see what will keep them from depreciating over next two years in which case why would an example like this now 15k private sale, not to be offered for around 12k and thus , assuming everyone gets discount, sell for a bit less.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
My brother was offered a 2013 M135i yesterday, 26000 miles on it, with Professional Media, black with red leather, manual, upgraded hifi and full BMW history for £14k. The guy has had it for sale for 3 months now, had it at £16500, dropped £500 every couple of weeks and now at £15k but said he would take £14k.
He said dealer bids are at £11-12700 for it.
The thing is a 13 plate sounds new still, however, it is a four and half year old car now. In 2-3 years time it will be coming up to 7-8 years old, and with 60-80k miles on it it will be like many of the 130i's are now.
There are some 59 plates with 80k at £7-8k retail and £5-6k trade in, so be realistic, the M135i in another 3 years will be in the £9-10k retail bracket with a £7-8k trade in.
Not sure what sort of price you have been offered your one at, but it will be worth around £11-12k to a dealer now, and it will lose at least another £1500 a year over the next 3 years at least.
Edit: Literally just had a text from my bother saying the guy has been in touch to say to say WBAC offered him £14k for it last night and he is taking it in tomorrow.
Just goes to show, WBAC are not always that evil. Haha
He said dealer bids are at £11-12700 for it.
The thing is a 13 plate sounds new still, however, it is a four and half year old car now. In 2-3 years time it will be coming up to 7-8 years old, and with 60-80k miles on it it will be like many of the 130i's are now.
There are some 59 plates with 80k at £7-8k retail and £5-6k trade in, so be realistic, the M135i in another 3 years will be in the £9-10k retail bracket with a £7-8k trade in.
Not sure what sort of price you have been offered your one at, but it will be worth around £11-12k to a dealer now, and it will lose at least another £1500 a year over the next 3 years at least.
Edit: Literally just had a text from my bother saying the guy has been in touch to say to say WBAC offered him £14k for it last night and he is taking it in tomorrow.
Just goes to show, WBAC are not always that evil. Haha
Edited by gizlaroc on Tuesday 20th June 16:48
Smuler said:
It's only a guess-timate, but if it's (fairly)accurate then yes, you could probably keep it another year and not lose much (if anything) more.
In my humble opinion, don't see what will keep them from depreciating over next two years in which case why would an example like this now 15k private sale, not to be offered for around 12k and thus , assuming everyone gets discount, sell for a bit less.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Interesting, I just put the reg of that car in WBAC and they are offering £14k for that, which seems more than fair. He is close to you Paul, offer him £14250 for it. That would be a good buy at that price. In my humble opinion, don't see what will keep them from depreciating over next two years in which case why would an example like this now 15k private sale, not to be offered for around 12k and thus , assuming everyone gets discount, sell for a bit less.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
gizlaroc said:
Interesting, I just put the reg of that car in WBAC and they are offering £14k for that, which seems more than fair. He is close to you Paul, offer him £14250 for it. That would be a good buy at that price.
yeah that car is near me and pretty much the same spec as my friends apart from black leather instead of red! my friend will do his under that price (basically sell it to me rather than we buy any car!) which is a great deal but if I am going to lose 2k a year then I am going to have to give it a miss!!
seems crazy that a 34k car can be worth so little after 7-8 years with low miles and nothing wrong with it!
many thanks for everybody's help. I think I will look for a Mk 5 GTi edition 30 or a Forester STI (as that is what I wanted originally) as they are pretty much at their bottom price right now and then in 2-3 years maybe grab a M135i when it is at 9-10k!
Cheers Paul
Don't bother with a MK5 GTi, I bought one after all the rave reviews and sold it after 3 weeks, it was so dull.
Forester sounds good, I have a soft spot for those.
I think I am going to keep my 130i, I went up to the coast yesterday in it and it is such a good little car, as you know, I was only selling it as I have lost my free parking space and currently paying £120 a month to rent a garage for he 130i.
But as much as I love my petrol E350 estate, I think I might swap that for a Discovery and keep the 130i.
Still in two minds, because I do love my E350, I bought the Mercedes DAB kit last week as that is the only thing missing, can't believe a £45k 2012 car didn't have DAB.
But thinking I could swap for a late Disco 4 and have the 130i for when I want to have a bit of a blast, could be a great combo.
Forester sounds good, I have a soft spot for those.
I think I am going to keep my 130i, I went up to the coast yesterday in it and it is such a good little car, as you know, I was only selling it as I have lost my free parking space and currently paying £120 a month to rent a garage for he 130i.
But as much as I love my petrol E350 estate, I think I might swap that for a Discovery and keep the 130i.
Still in two minds, because I do love my E350, I bought the Mercedes DAB kit last week as that is the only thing missing, can't believe a £45k 2012 car didn't have DAB.
But thinking I could swap for a late Disco 4 and have the 130i for when I want to have a bit of a blast, could be a great combo.
paul n said:
my friend will do his under that price (basically sell it to me rather than we buy any car!) which is a great deal but if I am going to lose 2k a year then I am going to have to give it a miss!!
seems crazy that a 34k car can be worth so little after 7-8 years with low miles and nothing wrong with it!
Don't forget though that it wouldn't have been a £34k car unless the first owner got mugged, an M135i manual with a couple of toys would probably have only been about £28k-29k when new with discounts avalable in 2013, and compounding that discounts have grown in the last year or two so the same equivalent car could be bought for probably £26k now, which obviously has a knock on effect for values of older cars.seems crazy that a 34k car can be worth so little after 7-8 years with low miles and nothing wrong with it!
Most cars under ~8-10 years old will still depreciate at 4 figure sums per year though, even desirable ones, so it's not unique to BMW by any means. If you want something new-ish it's the price you pay unless you happen to find yourself driving an appreciating future classic like a 1M or Cayman GT4 before the market really takes off but that doesn't happen very often and even less often for cars that are affordable to start with!
Edited by LocoBlade on Wednesday 21st June 22:10
I've had a MK5 GTI as well running 270bhp. Kept it for a 12 months but only because I spent a bit on it and wanted to get my monies worth. It was so dull to drive and felt really heavy. Once you got used to the power, which is around 4 weeks it's just a Golf.
My 130i now is in a different league. The same power but taking it to the red line is far more fun than the shove from a turbo. I don't even need to start on the handling, the GTI wouldn't see which way the 130i went.
My 130i now is in a different league. The same power but taking it to the red line is far more fun than the shove from a turbo. I don't even need to start on the handling, the GTI wouldn't see which way the 130i went.
ManaghGB said:
I've had a MK5 GTI as well running 270bhp. Kept it for a 12 months but only because I spent a bit on it and wanted to get my monies worth. It was so dull to drive and felt really heavy. Once you got used to the power, which is around 4 weeks it's just a Golf.
My 130i now is in a different league. The same power but taking it to the red line is far more fun than the shove from a turbo. I don't even need to start on the handling, the GTI wouldn't see which way the 130i went.
even down a bumpy b road? My 130i now is in a different league. The same power but taking it to the red line is far more fun than the shove from a turbo. I don't even need to start on the handling, the GTI wouldn't see which way the 130i went.
it's funny I started this thread disappointed in the punch from the BMW engine but after driving the golf I think it is the ride of the BMW rarther than the engine is what would put me off most now!
paul n said:
ManaghGB said:
I've had a MK5 GTI as well running 270bhp. Kept it for a 12 months but only because I spent a bit on it and wanted to get my monies worth. It was so dull to drive and felt really heavy. Once you got used to the power, which is around 4 weeks it's just a Golf.
My 130i now is in a different league. The same power but taking it to the red line is far more fun than the shove from a turbo. I don't even need to start on the handling, the GTI wouldn't see which way the 130i went.
even down a bumpy b road? My 130i now is in a different league. The same power but taking it to the red line is far more fun than the shove from a turbo. I don't even need to start on the handling, the GTI wouldn't see which way the 130i went.
it's funny I started this thread disappointed in the punch from the BMW engine but after driving the golf I think it is the ride of the BMW rarther than the engine is what would put me off most now!
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