What's wrong with my E90 330i?

What's wrong with my E90 330i?

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Zebrs

Original Poster:

461 posts

192 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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Hi all, just had my 330 recovered to a local garage. Was on the motorway only 5 or 6 miles after leaving home, having just stopped a couple of miles back for fuel.

Idrive flashes up amber temperature warning, which turned to red in about 30 secs. As luck would have it just passing services so pull in.

So all the coolant has emptied out of the tank, AA chap tells me bottom hose from rad is cold, while top is hot. Thinking water pump but doesn't seem to be similar symptoms to other failures. Anyone got any other theories?

Collectingbrass

2,206 posts

195 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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Could be an airlock in the coolant routes through the engine block or in the rad? Have you topped the coolant up recently?

Zebrs

Original Poster:

461 posts

192 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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No, but AA chap filled it up and it all flowed straight back out the tank again.

Gunk

3,302 posts

159 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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I had similar symptoms with an E46 330i and it was a cracked expansion tank, not an expensive fix.

Mr Tidy

22,259 posts

127 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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Just a thought, but BMW expansion tanks do seem prone to splitting.

Although my first thought when I saw your heading was electric water pump - I had one die in a Z4 Coupe, but it didn't lose coolant (got very hot very quickly though - but at least it has a proper temperature gauge)!

Hope you get it sorted OK. thumbup

Zebrs

Original Poster:

461 posts

192 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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We'll it was the water pump, sports fans. What's the consensus on replacing thermostat at the same time?

bearman68

4,652 posts

132 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Zebrs said:
We'll it was the water pump, sports fans. What's the consensus on replacing thermostat at the same time?
Electric or mechanical one?

Zebrs

Original Poster:

461 posts

192 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Think both are electrically operated on the E90.

helix402

7,856 posts

182 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Yes, do thermos at the same time.

Mr Tidy

22,259 posts

127 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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I was advised to change my thermostat when the water pump died on my N52, so I had it done!

OEM parts + labour at an independent the whole disaster only cost a little over £800! banghead

So I sold the car (or is that money pit)! rolleyes

It didn't last too long though, I (stupidly?) bought another and love it (well until it rapes my wallet)! laugh


Zebrs

Original Poster:

461 posts

192 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Mr Tidy said:
I was advised to change my thermostat when the water pump died on my N52, so I had it done!

OEM parts + labour at an independent the whole disaster only cost a little over £800! banghead

So I sold the car (or is that money pit)! rolleyes

It didn't last too long though, I (stupidly?) bought another and love it (well until it rapes my wallet)! laugh
That's the ball park I've been advised for this - the pump itself from BM is over £400 plus vat! Hopefully once this is done I've only got to worry about coil packs and idrive units laugh

bearman68

4,652 posts

132 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Unbelievable isn't it, why on earth would you not fit a mechanical water pump?

bmwmike

6,941 posts

108 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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bearman68 said:
Unbelievable isn't it, why on earth would you not fit a mechanical water pump?
Emissions apparently. Total BS though. They could have fitted a clutch to an existing mechanical pump surely.

What is the net carbon footprint of the mechanical pump vs the electronic pump and all the components and engineering that went into that?

SebringMan

1,773 posts

186 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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bmwmike said:
Emissions apparently. Total BS though. They could have fitted a clutch to an existing mechanical pump surely.

What is the net carbon footprint of the mechanical pump vs the electronic pump and all the components and engineering that went into that?
Or they could have gone fully electronic. Davis Craig have been knocking them out for years as have various American companies in the Hot Rod scene ; quite a few Muscle cars now feature electric pumps for a variety of reasons.

Power is the other reason they went semi electric. Even back in the day an M54 could only churn out 230BHP while sticking to emissions. Sure, the S54 3.2 made 338BHP but it also came with its issues and was less refined and pricey to maintain. The N52/3 making 270BHP seems like a comfortable halfway house.

I'm not say a mechanical pump will kill loads of power but many crumbs do make a cake. Or in this case many minor changes do add up.


stevesingo

4,854 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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bearman68 said:
Unbelievable isn't it, why on earth would you not fit a mechanical water pump?
Just the same reason as to why it does not have points ignition and a carburetor.

Technology moves on and it makes cars better. Compared to an E46 330 the car performs better, uses less fuel and emits less pollutants, despite being able to isolate the occupants better from the outside world, offering them more toys and protecting them better in a crash, all of which adds weight. It is all of the small things which help, and an electric water pump is on of those things which allows faster warm up and load dependant engine temperatures. This allows better emissions and more power.

If the starter had failed, would you be asking for a cranking handle?