E91 Straight Six Bearding

E91 Straight Six Bearding

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Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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ferrisbueller said:
It's not accurate.
That's pretty negative, but not in any way informative! banghead

You could always try to explain what is different - if it doesn't involve too much typing. rolleyes

g3org3y

20,606 posts

190 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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ferrisbueller said:
g3org3y said:
Mr Tidy said:
Good info.
Thanks for that, certainly cleared things up thumbup
It's not accurate.
Appreciate any elaboration/clarification. smile

These fancy pants E90/91/92/93s are far too complicated for a simple person like me. laugh

With the E36 6 Cyls it was straightforward (except perhaps for the later 323i which was actually a 2.5).

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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g3org3y said:
ferrisbueller said:
g3org3y said:
Mr Tidy said:
Good info.
Thanks for that, certainly cleared things up thumbup
It's not accurate.
Appreciate any elaboration/clarification. smile

These fancy pants E90/91/92/93s are far too complicated for a simple person like me. laugh

With the E36 6 Cyls it was straightforward (except perhaps for the later 323i which was actually a 2.5).
BMW lost the plot with nomenclature in the mid noughties and there are quite a few N52 derivatives. We've been around the houses a few times on this in various threads and established that various online sources, including Wikipedia, weren't accurate and the databases used to feed information into things like autotrader ads were also spurious.

Original press releases, road test data, actual car chassis numbers etc have been used as references to try and make sense of it over time. Whereas previously BMW would use the same engine in numerous places they started having more variants, perhaps for product differentiation i.e. making the couple more powerful than the less sporting derivatives, though maybe there are logistical reasons, too, and obviously development and technology changes through product life cycles. Using kW helps to an extent as the various uses of PS and bhp confuses folk, and certified emissions values are an indication, though V5s can also be erroneous.

E90/1 N52 190kW
E92/3 N52 has a "K" suffix and 200kW.

The ultimate conclusion, especially for 2007/8 cars where N53 was introduced was to use references as a guide and check the engine code from the chassis number as there were examples of N52s in cars which "should" have been N53s. I've not found an accurate database online other than checking the engine code on the build sheet.




ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Elsewhere in the range the hidden gem concealed behind the nomenclature nonsense is the N52 in the 125i which can be bumped up to 330i numbers with a remap.

JakeT

5,406 posts

119 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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This looks nice, and has the incredibly rare Individual audio. Having just been in The Netherlands, most BMWs there seem to be none sport models. I think they look great. This would make a lovely daily driver.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

ATM

18,083 posts

218 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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g3org3y said:
ferrisbueller said:
g3org3y said:
g3org3y said:
I've sent the seller a text to ask.
SOLD.
To your good self?
Oops, sorry that should have been clearer with a sad face or something.

Already sold. frown (not to me)
Seller of What?

g3org3y

20,606 posts

190 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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ATM said:
Seller of What?
A rather nice 330i convertible that was linked on the previous page.

Re keys. I'd like a spare. It is a case of buying something like this and getting it coded to the car and the key cut? According to the advert, the dealer can't code it?

Or is it a dealer only (£££) job and them ordering from Germany?

Edited by g3org3y on Thursday 13th June 18:15

ATM

18,083 posts

218 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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g3org3y said:
ATM said:
Seller of What?
A rather nice 330i convertible that was linked on the previous page.

Re keys. I'd like a spare. It is a case of buying something like this and getting it coded to the car and the key cut? According to the advert, the dealer can't code it?

Or is it a dealer only (£££) job and them ordering from Germany?

Edited by g3org3y on Thursday 13th June 18:15
I bought a replacement key for my e61 which looks like the same key. They can order it ready and working without seeing the car. Just need v5 to prove you're the owner. Key arrives already coded to the car and working. Plug and play.

g3org3y

20,606 posts

190 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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ATM said:
I bought a replacement key for my e61 which looks like the same key. They can order it ready and working without seeing the car. Just need v5 to prove you're the owner. Key arrives already coded to the car and working. Plug and play.
Do you mean via BMW or aftermarket?

squareflops

1,808 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Right lets try again

Hi guys,

my e92 330i is up for sale on AT after performing faultlessly on a 2500 mile European tour. It's in for an MOT today and has failed on a front near side shock. I'll be replacing both fronts of course and would like to stick with Sachs. Does anyone know if the ECP Sachs shocks here

https://www.eurocarparts.com/shock-absorber

are correct for the M Sport model? They simply state 'with standard chassis' but no other shocks mention anything re a sports or M Sport specific shock (or damper to be correct).

Any info gratefully received.

and no, not ideal having to replace both front shocks just before she goes, I'm glad someone will be getting a looked after 3 series though

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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I think they're Sachs # 311 405 and 6

ATM

18,083 posts

218 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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g3org3y said:
ATM said:
I bought a replacement key for my e61 which looks like the same key. They can order it ready and working without seeing the car. Just need v5 to prove you're the owner. Key arrives already coded to the car and working. Plug and play.
Do you mean via BMW or aftermarket?
Main dealer

BMW

£165

Some insurance companies now cover keys. Some affect your no claim bonus but some do not. I didn't realise in time and paid for it myself.

Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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squareflops said:
Right lets try again

Hi guys,

my e92 330i is up for sale on AT after performing faultlessly on a 2500 mile European tour. It's in for an MOT today and has failed on a front near side shock. I'll be replacing both fronts of course and would like to stick with Sachs. Does anyone know if the ECP Sachs shocks here

https://www.eurocarparts.com/shock-absorber

are correct for the M Sport model? They simply state 'with standard chassis' but no other shocks mention anything re a sports or M Sport specific shock (or damper to be correct).

Any info gratefully received.

and no, not ideal having to replace both front shocks just before she goes, I'm glad someone will be getting a looked after 3 series though
What year is it? I'm not getting any Sachs coming up for the E92 on say a 2007 plate? Just Anschler or Bilstein.

squareflops

1,808 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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sorry bud my bad, 2007 330i Msport. ECP comes
up with Sachs when I put in the reg PF57 OEE

cheers Ferris i’ll take a look

Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Hmmm. Did BMW not use a mix of Sachs or Bilstein? The Billies are listed as for Sport Suspension.

I fitted the Billies from Carparts4less to mine last year with BMW supplied shock kits for the rear.

squareflops

1,808 posts

182 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Swervin_Mervin said:
Hmmm. Did BMW not use a mix of Sachs or Bilstein? The Billies are listed as for Sport Suspension.

I fitted the Billies from Carparts4less to mine last year with BMW supplied shock kits for the rear.
The part numbers quoted by Ferris bring up Sachs units. I'm not too concerned either way tbh as either will be much better than what's on there now smile

I've found these from Ferris' provided numbers

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/sachs-1224307.htm...

If someone could give me better than 50/50 odds that they'll fit my model that would be great, I ideally need to order them today!

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Friday 14th June 2019
quotequote all
squareflops said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Hmmm. Did BMW not use a mix of Sachs or Bilstein? The Billies are listed as for Sport Suspension.

I fitted the Billies from Carparts4less to mine last year with BMW supplied shock kits for the rear.
The part numbers quoted by Ferris bring up Sachs units. I'm not too concerned either way tbh as either will be much better than what's on there now smile

I've found these from Ferris' provided numbers

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/sachs-1224307.htm...

If someone could give me better than 50/50 odds that they'll fit my model that would be great, I ideally need to order them today!
BMW Parts diagram: http://www.bmminiparts.com/DiagramView.aspx?Diagra...

Autodoc etc have a chat function. You could confirm with them before ordering.

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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ferrisbueller said:
BMW lost the plot with nomenclature in the mid noughties and there are quite a few N52 derivatives. We've been around the houses a few times on this in various threads and established that various online sources, including Wikipedia, weren't accurate and the databases used to feed information into things like autotrader ads were also spurious.

Original press releases, road test data, actual car chassis numbers etc have been used as references to try and make sense of it over time. Whereas previously BMW would use the same engine in numerous places they started having more variants, perhaps for product differentiation i.e. making the couple more powerful than the less sporting derivatives, though maybe there are logistical reasons, too, and obviously development and technology changes through product life cycles. Using kW helps to an extent as the various uses of PS and bhp confuses folk, and certified emissions values are an indication, though V5s can also be erroneous.

E90/1 N52 190kW
E92/3 N52 has a "K" suffix and 200kW.

The ultimate conclusion, especially for 2007/8 cars where N53 was introduced was to use references as a guide and check the engine code from the chassis number as there were examples of N52s in cars which "should" have been N53s. I've not found an accurate database online other than checking the engine code on the build sheet.
BMW only ever quoted outputs in PS, rather than BHP (1 PS is 0.986 bhp I believe).

E90/91 had 258 PS, but E87, E85/86, E92/93 all had 265PS according to BMW, so you'd hope they would know!

But I would definitely want to avoid any N53 with the HPFP, injector and coking up issues they seem to have. laugh

Mike335i

4,985 posts

101 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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Mr Tidy said:
BMW only ever quoted outputs in PS, rather than BHP (1 PS is 0.986 bhp I believe).

E90/91 had 258 PS, but E87, E85/86, E92/93 all had 265PS according to BMW, so you'd hope they would know!

But I would definitely want to avoid any N53 with the HPFP, injector and coking up issues they seem to have. laugh
Unless of course the injectors and hpfp have already been replaced, which most will have had by now. The coming up just means that every 40-60k miles you have the intake cleaned, which isn't that expensive and probably only done once in most ownership periods.

ATM

18,083 posts

218 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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Mike335i said:
Mr Tidy said:
BMW only ever quoted outputs in PS, rather than BHP (1 PS is 0.986 bhp I believe).

E90/91 had 258 PS, but E87, E85/86, E92/93 all had 265PS according to BMW, so you'd hope they would know!

But I would definitely want to avoid any N53 with the HPFP, injector and coking up issues they seem to have. laugh
Unless of course the injectors and hpfp have already been replaced, which most will have had by now. The coming up just means that every 40-60k miles you have the intake cleaned, which isn't that expensive and probably only done once in most ownership periods.
Do they perform egr like a diesel?