335D Touring-Any good?
Discussion
we've had a 335d M sport (with adaptive) from new in 2014.
List was 52k, beat the dealer down to about 42.5.
One of the best cars I've owned.
Goes like stick when you want it to, and the xdrive makes the handling neutral for my for my wife who uses it daily.
I actually like the engine noise when pressing on....
And giving it death off the line with launch control is pretty good fun too.
List was 52k, beat the dealer down to about 42.5.
One of the best cars I've owned.
Goes like stick when you want it to, and the xdrive makes the handling neutral for my for my wife who uses it daily.
I actually like the engine noise when pressing on....
And giving it death off the line with launch control is pretty good fun too.
I think it's quite sad that you think a car that does 0-60 in 7 seconds and has a top speed of 140mph is slow !
My first car was a Morris minor which I don't think would even do 60 mph
now that was slow
The car I looked at was 55k list discounted down to 35k
The point I was making is that it is not sufficiently different from a 320d to make me upgrade
My first car was a Morris minor which I don't think would even do 60 mph
now that was slow The car I looked at was 55k list discounted down to 35k
The point I was making is that it is not sufficiently different from a 320d to make me upgrade
numtumfutunch said:
Which depends entirely on how much you paid for it
Last summer I was offered PCP deals with a GFV of 18k at 3 years with 10k miles per annum
Whilst I have no idea how much most people pay I'd have to suspect the majority do not pay 34k and it's probably closer to the sticker 44k possibly with a small sweetener and a bunch of flowers so call it 41k
I'm generalising here, most on this site would have performed due diligence before a car sale
So at 3y a PHer would have broadly paid 16k to run their 335d whilst Joe Public would have paid 23k
Quite a difference
Further assumptions that GFV has probably been eroded and has been set such that you will not have any equity at term but I've offset this by totally omitting interest payments!
Of note is that the bmw configurator used to freely give you an accurate GFV but this is no longer accessible without creating an online account
Cheers
I got 22% off list. PCP. It was loosing around £1000/month after 12 months. I always change my cars frequently and have never had such rampant depreciation. The trade value was backed up by a number of dealers. In the end at 21months old the car traded at £22k. New price list was £51 I think (and I got 22% off that). So even on the reduced price, 50% in less than two years on a car with great spec. Last summer I was offered PCP deals with a GFV of 18k at 3 years with 10k miles per annum
Whilst I have no idea how much most people pay I'd have to suspect the majority do not pay 34k and it's probably closer to the sticker 44k possibly with a small sweetener and a bunch of flowers so call it 41k
I'm generalising here, most on this site would have performed due diligence before a car sale
So at 3y a PHer would have broadly paid 16k to run their 335d whilst Joe Public would have paid 23k
Quite a difference
Further assumptions that GFV has probably been eroded and has been set such that you will not have any equity at term but I've offset this by totally omitting interest payments!
Of note is that the bmw configurator used to freely give you an accurate GFV but this is no longer accessible without creating an online account
Cheers
So, yes, huge depreciation.
If I had kept it for the term of the PCP then it would have been worth a chunk less than the GFV which I suppose would have been good for me and made sense. But I didn't want to keep it so that's my problem.
This is not meant to be anything other than pointing out the reality of these cars and the depreciation/running costs even when taking into account the huge discounts (which of course are significantly why they depreciate so much.
So buy with open eyes and make sure it is the one you want.......i.e. The 335 or the 340?
Till135 said:
numtumfutunch said:
Which depends entirely on how much you paid for it
Last summer I was offered PCP deals with a GFV of 18k at 3 years with 10k miles per annum
Whilst I have no idea how much most people pay I'd have to suspect the majority do not pay 34k and it's probably closer to the sticker 44k possibly with a small sweetener and a bunch of flowers so call it 41k
I'm generalising here, most on this site would have performed due diligence before a car sale
So at 3y a PHer would have broadly paid 16k to run their 335d whilst Joe Public would have paid 23k
Quite a difference
Further assumptions that GFV has probably been eroded and has been set such that you will not have any equity at term but I've offset this by totally omitting interest payments!
Of note is that the bmw configurator used to freely give you an accurate GFV but this is no longer accessible without creating an online account
Cheers
I got 22% off list. PCP. It was loosing around £1000/month after 12 months. I always change my cars frequently and have never had such rampant depreciation. The trade value was backed up by a number of dealers. In the end at 21months old the car traded at £22k. New price list was £51 I think (and I got 22% off that). So even on the reduced price, 50% in less than two years on a car with great spec. Last summer I was offered PCP deals with a GFV of 18k at 3 years with 10k miles per annum
Whilst I have no idea how much most people pay I'd have to suspect the majority do not pay 34k and it's probably closer to the sticker 44k possibly with a small sweetener and a bunch of flowers so call it 41k
I'm generalising here, most on this site would have performed due diligence before a car sale
So at 3y a PHer would have broadly paid 16k to run their 335d whilst Joe Public would have paid 23k
Quite a difference
Further assumptions that GFV has probably been eroded and has been set such that you will not have any equity at term but I've offset this by totally omitting interest payments!
Of note is that the bmw configurator used to freely give you an accurate GFV but this is no longer accessible without creating an online account
Cheers
So, yes, huge depreciation.
If I had kept it for the term of the PCP then it would have been worth a chunk less than the GFV which I suppose would have been good for me and made sense. But I didn't want to keep it so that's my problem.
This is not meant to be anything other than pointing out the reality of these cars and the depreciation/running costs even when taking into account the huge discounts (which of course are significantly why they depreciate so much.
So buy with open eyes and make sure it is the one you want.......i.e. The 335 or the 340?
If I got lucky on a private sale I might just clear the finance outstanding but if wanted to get rid now my easiest way out would be to just VT and walk away. Not something that sits well with me as a concept but apparently lots of people do it and are in many cases encouraged to do so by their BMW dealer as it makes it easier to get them into another car; crazy world we live in.....
ack0 said:
VT?
Sorry a new one on me
Apologies, VT is an abbreviation for Voluntary Termination! Sorry a new one on me
In essence, what that means is providing your finance agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act you have a legal right to hand the keys back and walk away once you've paid half of the total amount payable. I can't actually believe this get out was designed to help people who can perfectly well afford to fulfil the terms of the agreement they signed-up for but you've a legal right to do it and apparently exercising your right to VT has no affect on either your credit score or your ability to get finance on another car.
This is a really good vid on the problem of the standard suspension on this xdrive car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=137EVxK9G-s&lc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=137EVxK9G-s&lc...
Nearly two years in on my LCI from new. Optioned the thing out with a 22% discount but the depreciation still hits hard! I had a wobble with the car about six months ago and decided to get rid and get into a Macan. After testing various Macans I settled on a GTS but in the end didn't bother as the cost to change was just stupid and the Macan didn't do anything demonstrably better than my 3 apart from have a better exhaust sound. Unlike others I don't have a problem with the suspension (but then I did spec Adaptive) and in many ways it's all the car you would ever need but it's hard to fall in love with, it's not the most involving of cars. That said, the wave of torque it has can be quite addictive..
I'm just approaching a year with mine and circa 9k miles and it's been everything I wanted it to be. Yes it could be a bit bigger at times, but we just did a week in France with the daughter and dog and it really excelled over the 1300 miles. If you like a grunty drive then the combination of the 35d and 8sp is very good.
Overall my consumption is around 38mpg which could be better. I achieved 44mpg overall on the France trip and have seen 50+ on the OBC on 20 mile early morning commute so probably 48ish real MPG. Handling is about what I'd expect from this kind of car.
Almost every car will hurt on depreciation, but the dealer will always find some way to get you into another car when the PCP is up. I try not to think about it too much.
Mine is pretty good spec. My pro's and cons.
Pros
Adaptive lights are awesome.
Pro Nav is a no brainer. Go for the pack that includes HUD - I love HUD.
MSport+ looks so much better with the bigger wheels. The sports mode on adaptive dampers makes the ride better.
I like my heated seats and oddly the heated s/wheel is great (came as part of a package)
Cruise with the radar works really well. Much better than the camera only based systems.
I wish I had surround view.
Cons
Could be bigger, mostly on golf trips...!
Ride is shocking on the RFTs.
MPG could be better, but acceptable for the available performance.
Overall my consumption is around 38mpg which could be better. I achieved 44mpg overall on the France trip and have seen 50+ on the OBC on 20 mile early morning commute so probably 48ish real MPG. Handling is about what I'd expect from this kind of car.
Almost every car will hurt on depreciation, but the dealer will always find some way to get you into another car when the PCP is up. I try not to think about it too much.
Mine is pretty good spec. My pro's and cons.
Pros
Adaptive lights are awesome.
Pro Nav is a no brainer. Go for the pack that includes HUD - I love HUD.
MSport+ looks so much better with the bigger wheels. The sports mode on adaptive dampers makes the ride better.
I like my heated seats and oddly the heated s/wheel is great (came as part of a package)
Cruise with the radar works really well. Much better than the camera only based systems.
I wish I had surround view.
Cons
Could be bigger, mostly on golf trips...!
Ride is shocking on the RFTs.
MPG could be better, but acceptable for the available performance.
After two 330D's Manuals and about 350k miles, I bit the bullet and got into a 2015 335D X Drive Touring, with the 8 Speed AUTO! All in all, what a weapon - yes the standard suspension is a little floaty and under damped, but 67k miles and just over two years later (and nearly 39mpg), I'm in a MY2018 version of the same thing; and what have they done with the suspension? Is it just me or is it significantly improved, compliant yet pleasantly firm, and loads of the pothole crashiness gone too, it really sharpens the whole package up immensely; and if anything, the engine just feels even better too, smoother and even more grunty. Early indications are that it might even be a bit less juicy, although really I thought the old one was pretty good considering what's on tap when you feel like it. These cars are awesome.
Edited by neverraced on Monday 13th November 12:55
Edited by neverraced on Monday 13th November 16:43
I had one of these with all the toys as a loan car and it was surprisingly rapid and handled very well on the adaptive suspension. I didn't get to throw it around as it belonged to someone else, but I certainly enjoyed it for the two weeks I had it. I have the bigger brother an F11 535d and that handles well for such a big bus.
335d said:
I haven't tried the newer 40i engine, but was not particularly impressed with the 35i which it replaced. It just lacks urgency after driving a 35d, unless you are really hammering the 35i. Perhaps I need to spend a bit longer with one to get back in the habit of using the entire rev range.
the M-Performance kit on the 340 transforms the car. I was able to try the dealers 340-with and 340-without back to back demonstrators before buying mine and for me the responsiveness made it worth the upgrade.JNW1 said:
Well, despite one or two other posts on this thread, personally I've not found the mpg to be that fantastic; my overall average across those 42k miles (measured accurately as opposed to off the trip) is 38mpg and I've never got anywhere near the 50mpg some people claim - to get that I'd be driving so sedately as to render a 335d utterly pointless!
I'm getting an average of 35mpg off a 340i xdrive. (according to the trip). No town driving but lots of mountain passes in sport / manual.neverraced said:
After two 330D's Manuals and about 350k miles, I bit the bullet and got into a 2015 335D X Drive Touring, with the 8 Speed AUTO! All in all, what a weapon - yes the standard suspension is a little floaty and under damped, but 67k miles and just over two years later (and nearly 39mpg), I'm in a MY2018 version of the same thing; and what have they done with the suspension? Is it just me or is it significantly improved, compliant yet pleasantly firm, and loads of the pothole crashiness gone too, it really sharpens the whole package up immensely; and if anything, the engine just feels even better too, smoother and even more grunty. Early indications are that it might even be a bit less juicy, although really I thought the old one was pretty good considering what's on tap when you feel like it. These cars are awesome.
In mid 15 they revised all the steering/suspension on the LCI facelift.Edited by neverraced on Monday 13th November 12:55
Edited by neverraced on Monday 13th November 16:43
So likely you had a pre-LCI and now a new LCI.
I just wish there was a bit more life to the steering. Non-rft, or better rft is probably the route to that.
I've done about 500 miles on ours now.
I'm happy with it generally.
If it were lower it'd be stiffer and thus terrible for the roads in the Yorkshire Dales and West Yorks urban areas.
As it is I think BMW got the LCI 335d spot on.
I only went 335d as it guaranteed soft suspension (and the higher ride height looks fine imo) and awd.
It also guarantees a half decent base spec.
For £1500 extra new vs 330d for awd and power and stuff, why would you not?
Used the difference disappears.
Given finding a good spec car is already impossible, finding an msport susp delete xdrive 330d with leccy seats, I'd be waiting decades haha!
The prices are a joke though. BMW discounting at one end then shafting trade in value the other, then reselling used back up at a keen price again.
All the more reason to buy a 'great price' model against the market, popular options, and get a car that'll be desirable to sell privately in years to come... or if the market tanks, is at least a half decent model without big compromises.
I'm amazed models with leccy seats for instance are so rare.
I'd understand if the manual seats were amazing, but they're a joke.
I'm happy with it generally.
If it were lower it'd be stiffer and thus terrible for the roads in the Yorkshire Dales and West Yorks urban areas.
As it is I think BMW got the LCI 335d spot on.
I only went 335d as it guaranteed soft suspension (and the higher ride height looks fine imo) and awd.
It also guarantees a half decent base spec.
For £1500 extra new vs 330d for awd and power and stuff, why would you not?
Used the difference disappears.
Given finding a good spec car is already impossible, finding an msport susp delete xdrive 330d with leccy seats, I'd be waiting decades haha!
The prices are a joke though. BMW discounting at one end then shafting trade in value the other, then reselling used back up at a keen price again.
All the more reason to buy a 'great price' model against the market, popular options, and get a car that'll be desirable to sell privately in years to come... or if the market tanks, is at least a half decent model without big compromises.
I'm amazed models with leccy seats for instance are so rare.
I'd understand if the manual seats were amazing, but they're a joke.
The manual seats are a joke but the electric option is when I looked nearly £1000 and most of these cars are done on leases or PCP where that option is clearly not popular and if it's not popular then BMW aren't going to spec their demos/allocation stock cars with it either.
Only way to get the car you want is to spec a new one, difficult to complain about other peoples choices if you're not willing to pony up yourself.
Only way to get the car you want is to spec a new one, difficult to complain about other peoples choices if you're not willing to pony up yourself.
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