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just out of interest and as a result of a thread we were chatting on about V Max 200 recently on the Supercar forum, does anyone know much about the F10 M5 that managed 207mph there recently, and what sort of £££ was spent to get that sort of performance out of it?
this was from the results
DME F10 M5 207mph
it was up in the top ten cars overall, along with a few tuned 997 turbos etc, value for money wise it may be one of the performance bargains just looking at top speed alone. I dont know much about them in terms of tuneability or performance, was it a time bomb waiting to go off? :-)
this was from the results
DME F10 M5 207mph
it was up in the top ten cars overall, along with a few tuned 997 turbos etc, value for money wise it may be one of the performance bargains just looking at top speed alone. I dont know much about them in terms of tuneability or performance, was it a time bomb waiting to go off? :-)
These guys by the looks of it! https://www.facebook.com/dmetuning/
PixelpeepS3 said:
TartanPaint said:
You're missing the fact that it did 207mph in a measured mile from a standing start. The standard car might take a 45 minutes on an oval to wind up to 205mph.
Right. in that case... wow...that is pretty impressive!
HoHoHo said:
According to fastestlaps the standard top end is 190mph when derestricted on the F10 M5 (from memory I also heard it was 186mph some time ago, so neither being 200mph+ if true).
There is a secondary limiter on the DCT gearbox at 186/190 mph, hence that top speed is quoted if the Drivers pack is optioned.Most likely parts :
Upgraded Turbo chargers (likely Pure Turbos Stage 1)
Uprgraded Downpipes with cats removed
Methanol Injection
Uprated Boost Sensors (or not if very smartly mapped)
Remapped for boost higher and fuelling than standard remaps (Standard remaps only allow a max boost of circa 22.8psi, which all F10 M5s can actually achieve even with stock maps when conditions require it to achieve the maximum advertised HP/Lb.Ft.(Standard remaps simply call for this 22.8 psi more often to achieve higher than stock HP/Lb.Ft. at all given scenarios)) Proper remaps, given the right fuelling and cooling, usually cured with Methanol Injection and sometimes race fuel, can boost to 27/29 psi.
Possibly combined with JB4 box for good methanol injection control and crucial data logging.
Upgraded clutch packs, perhaps.
Upgraded intake system (but not really necessary from what I understand).
So about £10K or thereabouts....pretty cheap to be honest.
Upgraded Turbo chargers (likely Pure Turbos Stage 1)
Uprgraded Downpipes with cats removed
Methanol Injection
Uprated Boost Sensors (or not if very smartly mapped)
Remapped for boost higher and fuelling than standard remaps (Standard remaps only allow a max boost of circa 22.8psi, which all F10 M5s can actually achieve even with stock maps when conditions require it to achieve the maximum advertised HP/Lb.Ft.(Standard remaps simply call for this 22.8 psi more often to achieve higher than stock HP/Lb.Ft. at all given scenarios)) Proper remaps, given the right fuelling and cooling, usually cured with Methanol Injection and sometimes race fuel, can boost to 27/29 psi.
Possibly combined with JB4 box for good methanol injection control and crucial data logging.
Upgraded clutch packs, perhaps.
Upgraded intake system (but not really necessary from what I understand).
So about £10K or thereabouts....pretty cheap to be honest.
Edited by M5 London on Wednesday 4th October 13:59
M5 London said:
Most likely parts :
Upgraded Turbo chargers (likely Pure Turbos Stage 1)
Uprgraded Downpipes with cats removed
Methanol Injection
Uprated Boost Sensors (or not if very smartly mapped)
Remapped for boost higher and fuelling than standard remaps (Standard remaps only allow a max boost of circa 22.8psi, which all F10 M5s can actually achieve even with stock maps when conditions require it to achieve the maximum advertised HP/Lb.Ft.(Standard remaps simply call for this 22.8 psi more often to achieve higher than stock HP/Lb.Ft. at all given scenarios)) Proper remaps, given the right fuelling and cooling, usually cured with Methanol Injection and sometimes race fuel, can boost to 27/29 psi.
Possibly combined with JB4 box for good methanol injection control and crucial data logging.
Upgraded clutch packs, perhaps.
Upgraded intake system (but not really necessary from what I understand).
So about £10K or thereabouts....pretty cheap to be honest.
very interesting. cheaper as a package then than the 997 Turbos *(say £50k car plus £20k mods) to get 200+mph out of.Upgraded Turbo chargers (likely Pure Turbos Stage 1)
Uprgraded Downpipes with cats removed
Methanol Injection
Uprated Boost Sensors (or not if very smartly mapped)
Remapped for boost higher and fuelling than standard remaps (Standard remaps only allow a max boost of circa 22.8psi, which all F10 M5s can actually achieve even with stock maps when conditions require it to achieve the maximum advertised HP/Lb.Ft.(Standard remaps simply call for this 22.8 psi more often to achieve higher than stock HP/Lb.Ft. at all given scenarios)) Proper remaps, given the right fuelling and cooling, usually cured with Methanol Injection and sometimes race fuel, can boost to 27/29 psi.
Possibly combined with JB4 box for good methanol injection control and crucial data logging.
Upgraded clutch packs, perhaps.
Upgraded intake system (but not really necessary from what I understand).
So about £10K or thereabouts....pretty cheap to be honest.
Edited by M5 London on Wednesday 4th October 13:59
how reliable have these sort of mods been though, you can imagine quite a large bill for blowing one of those engines up, again as you would with a modified porsche turbo engine.
stunning if reliable power! do they need meth (always a risk needing methanol to control inlet air temps and det)?
rassi said:
There is a secondary limiter on the DCT gearbox at 186/190 mph, hence that top speed is quoted if the Drivers pack is optioned.
As above, although i think the secondary limiter is closer to 200mph, albeit 198/9. This limiter is hard coded into the M-DCT ECU & is quite a task to remove, however the regular ECU limiter is pretty straight forward to code out.Mine was DMS Stage 2 tuned & although i didn't get the opportunity to hit 200mph, several times she achieved well into the 180's & a couple of times close to 190.
w8pmc said:
As above, although i think the secondary limiter is closer to 200mph, albeit 198/9. This limiter is hard coded into the M-DCT ECU & is quite a task to remove, however the regular ECU limiter is pretty straight forward to code out.
Mine was DMS Stage 2 tuned & although i didn't get the opportunity to hit 200mph, several times she achieved well into the 180's & a couple of times close to 190.
are they generally raising the boost/fuelling tweaks then plus better exhausts /downpipes etc within these stages? My friends 997 turbo was still running cats , and a stock engine for 206mph, just better turbos, plenum, filters and a proper 9e map.Mine was DMS Stage 2 tuned & although i didn't get the opportunity to hit 200mph, several times she achieved well into the 180's & a couple of times close to 190.
S800VXR said:
All of the above minus the turbos. If you want big power don't use DMS and ignore their Dyno figures!
Mines now Evolve tuned and a SRR 750hp. Getting JB4 and meth after March when the updated box goes in so hopefully about 820ish as only a toy. ??
Why's that?? Mine ran on a local DD Dyno & was within 6bhp & 4lbsft of the 748bhp & 700lbsft DMS achieved on their Dyno & to be fair, it was a warmer day.Mines now Evolve tuned and a SRR 750hp. Getting JB4 and meth after March when the updated box goes in so hopefully about 820ish as only a toy. ??
Hello guys, I have been watching this forum and as I am currently awaiting a build date for my new Alpina B5 Biturbo Touring I have been looking out for tuning information to increase the power from its current 600 bhp! I received a recent message from GAD Tuning saying that currently the B5 Biturbo has the MG1 or the MGD1 ECU and currently there are no communication protocols available. Is this true? I thought that as the car is based on the F10 M5 the ECU would be similar and as that ECU has been modified accoprding to your posts are there other tuners that DO have the equipment?
KeithBlueK3 said:
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