The final insult to the 6 Series badge
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iSore said:
BMW will sell anything to shift more and more volume. It's all about money at the end of the day, even if they have become more Next than Hugo Boss.
This will be a decent company car for someone.
I believe this to be the case, look at the Mini options now, so many people forget that its just about the money rather than the "ultimate driving machine" etc This will be a decent company car for someone.
other brands are also guilty of this I suppose its always been there just far more obvious nowadays If you don't want BMW to do this stuff, you need to get your wallet out and start buying brand new high-displacement petrol 6s, and in large numbers - something howmanyleft suggests that y'all aren't doing 
As you can probably guess, I fail to see the problem. Clearly there are plenty of people who don't really care what the engine sounds like, and just want a nice-looking car with an upmarket badge and a bunch of toys and running costs that aren't ridiculous. Why shouldn't BMW cater for them, as well as the snobs?
I've seen a few people praise the refinement of the latest 520d, even compared to older versions of the 330d, so maybe this thing will be fine from the inside and just a bit slower than you might like.
As you can probably guess, I fail to see the problem. Clearly there are plenty of people who don't really care what the engine sounds like, and just want a nice-looking car with an upmarket badge and a bunch of toys and running costs that aren't ridiculous. Why shouldn't BMW cater for them, as well as the snobs?
I've seen a few people praise the refinement of the latest 520d, even compared to older versions of the 330d, so maybe this thing will be fine from the inside and just a bit slower than you might like.
BMW's raison detra is the 18d/20d and low PCP finance rates these days isn't it? It's what they do best, it's what they are known for. I see countless 218d 18 plates at the school drop off. Good on BMW for giving the masses what they want. They reinvented themselves as the whirlpool of whitegoods.
I think BMW’s engine range is good enough.
I’m not sure a 6er is the place for a 4 pot engine though.
If you’re blowing £££ on depreciation then 40d or 30d >> 20d isn’t going to be a huge difference.
If you do mega miles then maybe, but who runs 6ers on mega miles?
You’d still be throwing money away.
I’m not sure a 6er is the place for a 4 pot engine though.
If you’re blowing £££ on depreciation then 40d or 30d >> 20d isn’t going to be a huge difference.
If you do mega miles then maybe, but who runs 6ers on mega miles?
You’d still be throwing money away.
I used to own a 5GT with the 2.0d engine and Ive previously owned a 535d (e60) and at idel the four pot sounded surprisingly similar. Very quiet with a decent thrum.
On the move it was only later in the rev range that the performance gulf was apparent. The 2.0d was surprisingly good, not fast by any means but adequate and never fell slow.
I can see there is a market for this 620d - just not for performance minded folk.
Honestly - it was a perfectly refined, flexible and frugal lump.
On the move it was only later in the rev range that the performance gulf was apparent. The 2.0d was surprisingly good, not fast by any means but adequate and never fell slow.
I can see there is a market for this 620d - just not for performance minded folk.
Honestly - it was a perfectly refined, flexible and frugal lump.
lord trumpton said:
I used to own a 5GT with the 2.0d engine and Ive previously owned a 535d (e60) and at idel the four pot sounded surprisingly similar. Very quiet with a decent thrum.
On the move it was only later in the rev range that the performance gulf was apparent. The 2.0d was surprisingly good, not fast by any means but adequate and never fell slow.
I can see there is a market for this 620d - just not for performance minded folk.
Honestly - it was a perfectly refined, flexible and frugal lump.
All the diesels sound dire at idle(I've had 20d/30d/40d). The 520d Touring I had the performance was poor especially when loaded up and already carrying a 1700kg kerbweight. Granted you don't buy a 20d for performance but it wasn't frugal either because of the weight. On the move it was only later in the rev range that the performance gulf was apparent. The 2.0d was surprisingly good, not fast by any means but adequate and never fell slow.
I can see there is a market for this 620d - just not for performance minded folk.
Honestly - it was a perfectly refined, flexible and frugal lump.
I suppose the bit for me is a premium car should have a premium engine, and I didn't feel the 20d engine belonged in the 5 series(its a 1 series engine when all said and done). I would also argue that the 40d engine shouldn't belong in the 6 series either, but at least it offers a very good performance/economy mix.
The bottom line for me is that any diesel engine isn't really a premium engine. Premium Bmw's in other markets have big petrol V8's or larger and not rattly oil burners.
If you were in the showroom buying a new 620d and you see the list price, and then you realise it has the same engine as the 120d...I'd feel pretty short changed.
lord trumpton said:
I used to own a 5GT with the 2.0d engine and Ive previously owned a 535d (e60) and at idel the four pot sounded surprisingly similar. Very quiet with a decent thrum.
On the move it was only later in the rev range that the performance gulf was apparent. The 2.0d was surprisingly good, not fast by any means but adequate and never fell slow.
I can see there is a market for this 620d - just not for performance minded folk.
Honestly - it was a perfectly refined, flexible and frugal lump.
So, I went from a F30 330d to a F10 520d.On the move it was only later in the rev range that the performance gulf was apparent. The 2.0d was surprisingly good, not fast by any means but adequate and never fell slow.
I can see there is a market for this 620d - just not for performance minded folk.
Honestly - it was a perfectly refined, flexible and frugal lump.
The 6 cylinder was smooth, quiet and effortless.
The 4 cylinder was noisy, unrefined but did its job.
Fuel economy was not much different (5 series heavier, of course).
The only reason to but the 4-pot from any BMW model, quite frankly, is if you can't afford the 6-pot.
I test drove a 15 ish vintage X3 with a 20d and it sounded like a 90s Landrover Defender, but with less charm.
It certainly wasn’t an engine I’d want in a £35,000+ car!
My old Peugeot 306 diesels, yes, light frugal and cheap and cheerful. Perfect.
If they could literally isolate the engine sound/nah entirely then fine... but in my view, a sporty big BMW Coupe that costs £££ still needs a certain amount of grunt to feel acceptable.
To me it just comes down to £/quality ratio.
Good business for BMW but I’d just feel like a real plonker if I bought a 620d.
If you’re that tight with the money then what the flip are you doing buying a 6er?
It certainly wasn’t an engine I’d want in a £35,000+ car!
My old Peugeot 306 diesels, yes, light frugal and cheap and cheerful. Perfect.
If they could literally isolate the engine sound/nah entirely then fine... but in my view, a sporty big BMW Coupe that costs £££ still needs a certain amount of grunt to feel acceptable.
To me it just comes down to £/quality ratio.
Good business for BMW but I’d just feel like a real plonker if I bought a 620d.
If you’re that tight with the money then what the flip are you doing buying a 6er?
bmwmike said:
BMW's raison detra is the 18d/20d and low PCP finance rates these days isn't it? It's what they do best, it's what they are known for. I see countless 218d 18 plates at the school drop off. Good on BMW for giving the masses what they want. They reinvented themselves as the whirlpool of whitegoods.
They probably still have the best range of cars on the market though. Not sure what finance has to do with anything. And how do you know those (alledged) "countless" 218 are financed one way or the other. Do your own thing perhaps and don't worry too much about other people's choice, as you probably don't even know them.nickfrog said:
bmwmike said:
BMW's raison detra is the 18d/20d and low PCP finance rates these days isn't it? It's what they do best, it's what they are known for. I see countless 218d 18 plates at the school drop off. Good on BMW for giving the masses what they want. They reinvented themselves as the whirlpool of whitegoods.
They probably still have the best range of cars on the market though. Not sure what finance has to do with anything. And how do you know those (alledged) "countless" 218 are financed one way or the other. Do your own thing perhaps and don't worry too much about other people's choice, as you probably don't even know them.bmwmike said:
Did I say those 218d were financed? I said they were making cars and finance packages for the mass market. These are mass market cars.
BMW are for people who simultaneously hold in their heads the twin views that BMW is luxury but also that it's so cheap they can afford it for next to nothing. They think they're being big shots and everyone is impressed by their PCP 2 series costing tuppence h'appeny a month. The coffin was nailed shut a long time ago, the shark jumped. nickfr0g said:
bmwmike said:
Did I say those 218d were financed? I said they were making cars and finance packages for the mass market. These are mass market cars.
BMW are for people who simultaneously hold in their heads the twin views that BMW is luxury but also that it's so cheap they can afford it for next to nothing. They think they're being big shots and everyone is impressed by their PCP 2 series costing tuppence h'appeny a month. The coffin was nailed shut a long time ago, the shark jumped. bmwmike said:
Did I say those 218d were financed? I said they were making cars and finance packages for the mass market. These are mass market cars.
Your inference was strong. Nothing new with BMW being mass market, same with Audi, Mercedes. That inherently doesn't prevent the product to be either brilliant, poor or somewhere in between. Not everyone is brand obsessed. Apart from the usual PH "everything is s
t" type.nickfrog said:
Your inference was strong. Nothing new with BMW being mass market, same with Audi, Mercedes. That inherently doesn't prevent the product to be either brilliant, poor or somewhere in between. Not everyone is brand obsessed. Apart from the usual PH "everything is st" type.
Why drive a BMW then if not brand obsessed? There are superior cars from 'lesser' manufacturers at almost every price point and for every need. Incidentally in Germany VW is a more prestigious brand than BMW. t" type.
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