BMW Finance

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Muzzer79

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9,907 posts

187 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Hi all

I am looking at opting out of my company car scheme and getting a 1 year old 5 series touring.

Contrary to common PH-wisdom, I will be buying the car on a PCP finance deal.

When one looks at the BMW website, the finance calculator shows a frankly ridiculous APR of some 12%. Surely this is negotiable in this current market.

They do low APR rates on new cars - some 3%, which I don't expect to be matched but what is a realistic expectation to go for here?

TIA

ThunderSpook

3,603 posts

211 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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My local does 11.9% on used cars if that helps bring the cost down biggrin

CastroSays

182 posts

76 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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PCP on a second-hand car is one of the craziest financial actions someone can do to themself. Please rethink!

skeeterm5

3,343 posts

188 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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They will negotiate on that rate.

Dinoboy

2,498 posts

217 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Expect to get around 7%.

Ziplobb

1,357 posts

284 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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why dont you get a bank loan - 3.9%APR is what i apid on the last one I had and you own it .

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Yeah do the maths very carefully, I got 2.8% from Hitachi recently.
The amount saved in interest meant that doing it over 60 months instead of 48 the car was owned outright rather than having a £12000 balloon.

If looking at a year old look at new from a broker, you mind find it works out a fair bit less than buying a used one if using finance.

My old man was looking at an X5, on a £35000 car with £8000 down it was coming in at £515 a month.
He then looked at a Cayenne, same price, with £8000 down it came in at £294 a month because of Porsches much better residuals and better APR.


msej449

177 posts

121 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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I'd always work out a bank loan, mortgage extension, parental loan etc. cash buy as a baseline for comparison before committing. I got my previous 3 Series using BMW financing but they were offering 3.9% for the loan, and an option to buy for £18K or return the car after 36m. For my current M235i Convertible, I used my offset mortgage and it worked out £4,100 cheaper over 36m compared to the BMW financing. I 'paid off' the money I'd 'borrowed' from myself, so to speak, over about 20 months, but with a lot of variation in what I put aside each month. Even given the interest payments at 2.9% it still worked out the cheapest option.

I'd just make the obvious point about locking yourself into a car financing scheme: in my case, with the previous car I changed jobs after about 18 months and wasn't doing the high motorway mileage any more, but I had to persevere with a car that wasn't really right for my circumstances for another 18 months because of the terms of what I'd signed-up to. I know some schemes allow for early cancellation of the contract, so make sure you can do this if you go for a longer term.

Also most financing is based on residuals and residuals are based on mileage. I know a number of people who've greatly exceeded their expected mileage thanks to changes to their job (or simply been too optimistic about low mileage) and got hit by a big charge at the end.


Edited by msej449 on Saturday 21st July 23:53

Wills2

22,785 posts

175 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Peter Vardy are offering a 520d M sport touring for £408 in and £408 per month 0% APR over 48 months, or if you're willing to look at other brands Volvo are doing the V90 for £299 a month 2k in over 24 months on a lease.











Muzzer79

Original Poster:

9,907 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Thanks for the replies all.

I'm fairly open to any kind of financial deal but I've always taken the view that my car allowance pays for the car (and interest on payments) as a direct offset of each other.

I'm not one of these types who sees it as extra salary and, besides, I have restrictions as to what I can drive (must be less than 3 years old, etc)

A few years back I had a Golf brand new on a PCP, which worked well, but looking for something more upmarket now.

Wills2 said:
Peter Vardy are offering a 520d M sport touring for £408 in and £408 per month 0% APR over 48 months

Do you have a link for this please?

Muzzer79

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9,907 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Ziplobb said:
why dont you get a bank loan - 3.9%APR is what i apid on the last one I had and you own it .
Up to £25k and a bank loan can be had for a low rate.

Over £25k then it's more like 6.5-7% from a bank

CCCMINI

38 posts

118 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Used car finance rate with BMW is negotiable, expect to get to around 7% or 8% depending on how much you are borrowing.

As other people have said, if you are looking at a year old 5 Series a strong deal on a new one with the much lower APR would be very similar I would think. From experience this has always been the case.

Based on how I know the new car market for BMW is at the moment, I would think a competitive deal would be easy to get no matter which dealer you go to.

That said there will be some dealers (probably most) with Pre-Registered cars at reduced prices that can be done on the "new car rate", I work for MINI and I know our BMW site have lots!

Hope that helps smile

CCC

Wills2

22,785 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Muzzer79 said:
Do you have a link for this please?
https://www.petervardy.com/bmw/offers



4rephill

5,040 posts

178 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Muzzer79 said:
Ziplobb said:
why dont you get a bank loan - 3.9%APR is what i apid on the last one I had and you own it .
Up to £25k and a bank loan can be had for a low rate.

Over £25k then it's more like 6.5-7% from a bank
Read the small print on the 3~3.9% APR headline bank loans - Most of them will state somewhere that the rate you are actually offered could be higher, depending on your personal circumstances, and your credit score. You are not guaranteed to be offered the advertised low rate, even when they practically guarantee you will be offered it!

Be aware also that in many cases, if you apply for a bank loan, lured in by a 3~3.9% APR, and then decide not to proceed with the loan because the actual rate you've been offered is a lot higher (@ 6.9% APR seems to be quite common), it can have a negative effect on your personal credit score!





Muzzer79

Original Poster:

9,907 posts

187 months

Wednesday 1st August 2018
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Thanks for the info all

The 0% finance deal has now ended and they had limited stock, so I’ve not pursued

However, a 1 year old touring with all the toys can be had for under £30k so this takes me into personal loan at low APR rates territory. I’ll also own the car at the end, rather than paying a balloon

A £50k car with someone else taking a 40% hit in depreciation over the first year appeals quite highly and I intend to keep it for a good few years. 🙂

Wills2

22,785 posts

175 months

Wednesday 1st August 2018
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No one pays retail if it's 50k list then the first owner would have paid around 40k, still plenty of depreciation to suffer don't you worry. But that's car buying wherever you enter the curve unless you start buying sheds but that brings its own issues.