F31 330d Xdrive Touring Limp Home?
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Hullo folks,
Hoping you can help out on this one...
My ma's Sept 2013 F31 330d Xdrive Touring had a bit of a funny turn today; after running at 70MPH for approximately 10 minutes (car does a lot of short distances due to her job as a country GP) the car suddenly lost drive and said 'unable to engage gear' or equivalent. It has the ZF Auto 'box. On trying to restart it and get going again, it said 'unable to select neutral' or equivalent, and ran rougher than a JCB. After waiting a while by the side of the road on the slip road, some traffic officers showed up, and between the three of them they managed to get the car into gear and rolling again. They suspected that it was down to poor-quality fuel, as the car was down to its last 50 miles in the tank, and after a fresh tank of diesel it is now running well again (although it has only travelled for around an hour to get home).
The car was last serviced a week ago at the main dealer, and has only covered 53000 miles.
When I got home, I ran my cheapo OBD to see if I shed any light on the matter, and it threw up the following stored codes:
24CF00 air mass meter ratio measured to calculated too small.
290B00 EGR CIRCUIT PULSE DUTY FACTOR AIR MASS TO HIGH
287500 Lambda probe oxygen concentration is low
253400 Swirl flap actuator position control swirl flaps wide open / positive deviation.
Any ideas?
My thoughts on potential culprits are:
- DPF, due to short journeys.
- Poor fuel quality.
- A sensor/glowplug/injector fault (cold starts in the winter have become palpably rougher with this car IMO).
- Something else?
I'd be very grateful for any help!
AC.
Hoping you can help out on this one...
My ma's Sept 2013 F31 330d Xdrive Touring had a bit of a funny turn today; after running at 70MPH for approximately 10 minutes (car does a lot of short distances due to her job as a country GP) the car suddenly lost drive and said 'unable to engage gear' or equivalent. It has the ZF Auto 'box. On trying to restart it and get going again, it said 'unable to select neutral' or equivalent, and ran rougher than a JCB. After waiting a while by the side of the road on the slip road, some traffic officers showed up, and between the three of them they managed to get the car into gear and rolling again. They suspected that it was down to poor-quality fuel, as the car was down to its last 50 miles in the tank, and after a fresh tank of diesel it is now running well again (although it has only travelled for around an hour to get home).
The car was last serviced a week ago at the main dealer, and has only covered 53000 miles.
When I got home, I ran my cheapo OBD to see if I shed any light on the matter, and it threw up the following stored codes:
24CF00 air mass meter ratio measured to calculated too small.
290B00 EGR CIRCUIT PULSE DUTY FACTOR AIR MASS TO HIGH
287500 Lambda probe oxygen concentration is low
253400 Swirl flap actuator position control swirl flaps wide open / positive deviation.
Any ideas?
My thoughts on potential culprits are:
- DPF, due to short journeys.
- Poor fuel quality.
- A sensor/glowplug/injector fault (cold starts in the winter have become palpably rougher with this car IMO).
- Something else?
I'd be very grateful for any help!
AC.
- DPF, due to short journeys.
- Poor fuel quality.
- A sensor/glowplug/injector fault (cold starts in the winter have become palpably rougher with this car IMO).
Won’t be Dpf as no codes are stored for it.
Won’t be fuel as no relevant codes
Won’t be sensor/glowplug/injector fault
May be clogged inlet manifold/egr valve/swirl flaps
May be faulty egr valve/swirl flaps
May be one of other numerous faults
Shouldn’t take a specialist/dealer long to sort with the correct software and diagnostic experience.
- Poor fuel quality.
- A sensor/glowplug/injector fault (cold starts in the winter have become palpably rougher with this car IMO).
Won’t be Dpf as no codes are stored for it.
Won’t be fuel as no relevant codes
Won’t be sensor/glowplug/injector fault
May be clogged inlet manifold/egr valve/swirl flaps
May be faulty egr valve/swirl flaps
May be one of other numerous faults
Shouldn’t take a specialist/dealer long to sort with the correct software and diagnostic experience.
helix402 said:
- DPF, due to short journeys.
- Poor fuel quality.
- A sensor/glowplug/injector fault (cold starts in the winter have become palpably rougher with this car IMO).
Won’t be Dpf as no codes are stored for it.
Won’t be fuel as no relevant codes
Won’t be sensor/glowplug/injector fault
May be clogged inlet manifold/egr valve/swirl flaps
May be faulty egr valve/swirl flaps
May be one of other numerous faults
Shouldn’t take a specialist/dealer long to sort with the correct software and diagnostic experience.
Good suggestions on all of those, thanks. - Poor fuel quality.
- A sensor/glowplug/injector fault (cold starts in the winter have become palpably rougher with this car IMO).
Won’t be Dpf as no codes are stored for it.
Won’t be fuel as no relevant codes
Won’t be sensor/glowplug/injector fault
May be clogged inlet manifold/egr valve/swirl flaps
May be faulty egr valve/swirl flaps
May be one of other numerous faults
Shouldn’t take a specialist/dealer long to sort with the correct software and diagnostic experience.
Probably will be taken back to the $tealer as it's only been a week since the service and they may have some ideas. A mechanic friend who spends a lot of time around BMs reckoned the codes pointed to a faulty MAF sensor, which also sounds inherently plausible to me.
DJMC said:
Supermarket fuel?
That's what caused our 2016 X1 to conk out.
Only Shell, Texaco, BP now.
Could be, but thinking about it she almost invariably gets fuel at a local Texaco. Always the cheap stuff mind, never premium. That's what caused our 2016 X1 to conk out.
Only Shell, Texaco, BP now.
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te, make sure the EGR Cooler and Valve is replaced as that will have caused the original problem https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/deta...
The coolant will have leaked from the cooler system into the inlet manifold and the EGR possibly stuck in the open position exposing the manifold to excessive temperatures. Usually they just melt and smoke a bit (in the most extreme scenarios the car will set fire).
However, this is the first time I have heard of an N57 being screwed by the inlet manifold breaking down and killing the engine.
Glad the car is getting a new engine FOC though despite being out of warranty, did you have to argue for that?
I would ensure in future the car does some longer journeys at higher speeds though, some of the issues WILL have almost certainly been caused by shorter journeys which will not necessarily get the car upto temperature or high enough speed to ensure that everything is kept a bit more in working order (and I used to live around that area as well so there is some decent roads if based on your profile!)
Overall the EGR Cooler is a very well known problem and do wonder because of the nature of the failure in question whether that aided your argument in getting an engine replacement FOC. BMW has replaced many EGR coolers at reduced or FOC out of warranty because the problem is that bad.
I do wonder whether part of the issue in BMW's case is using cheaper korens EGR systems than the older Mahle ones they used to fit to some of the M series engines.
te, make sure the EGR Cooler and Valve is replaced as that will have caused the original problem https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/deta...The coolant will have leaked from the cooler system into the inlet manifold and the EGR possibly stuck in the open position exposing the manifold to excessive temperatures. Usually they just melt and smoke a bit (in the most extreme scenarios the car will set fire).
However, this is the first time I have heard of an N57 being screwed by the inlet manifold breaking down and killing the engine.
Glad the car is getting a new engine FOC though despite being out of warranty, did you have to argue for that?
I would ensure in future the car does some longer journeys at higher speeds though, some of the issues WILL have almost certainly been caused by shorter journeys which will not necessarily get the car upto temperature or high enough speed to ensure that everything is kept a bit more in working order (and I used to live around that area as well so there is some decent roads if based on your profile!)
Overall the EGR Cooler is a very well known problem and do wonder because of the nature of the failure in question whether that aided your argument in getting an engine replacement FOC. BMW has replaced many EGR coolers at reduced or FOC out of warranty because the problem is that bad.
I do wonder whether part of the issue in BMW's case is using cheaper korens EGR systems than the older Mahle ones they used to fit to some of the M series engines.
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 18th September 15:59
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 18th September 16:03
^^ good advice, thanks.
Thankfully it was a 'straight to BMW UK' job, no arguments.
The only scary bit was the initial night where we were told that the replacement would cost £17.5k if there was no aid from BMW UK, as the car is worth circa £15k at this stage.
Halliwell Jones and BMW UK have been excellent throughout this process.
I reckon you're right to suspect the EGR Cooler, as apparently there is a recall brewing on this...
Thankfully it was a 'straight to BMW UK' job, no arguments.
The only scary bit was the initial night where we were told that the replacement would cost £17.5k if there was no aid from BMW UK, as the car is worth circa £15k at this stage.
Halliwell Jones and BMW UK have been excellent throughout this process.
I reckon you're right to suspect the EGR Cooler, as apparently there is a recall brewing on this...
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