2019 X5 v Velar D300

[GreigR]

Hi,

We’re considering a new 30d X5 M-Sport, drove one over the weekend and was very impressed.

The other half has always wanted a Range Rover and would like the Velar D300.

Has anyone considered either or even owned the Velar previously?

Would be really interested to hear thoughts?

Oh.......and Grey or White?

[Sixpackpert]

Having owned two Disco 4’s that have had no problems I would say go for the Velar...however...

Dad has a MY18 RRS and has had to call out support twice because of the handbrake not releasing rendering the car undrivable. The deployable side steps have a mind of their own. The infotainment system is pretty laggy and dated.

Stick with a BMW.

ETA: The Velar is pretty gopping IMHO.

[gf15]

I think the Velar is epic.......Great looking car.
They are lovely to be in (not driven one).
And we have had a BMW centric house!

[rayyan171]

IMO the Velar doesn't compete with the X5, I feel it would be more of a choice between a F-Pace and Velar. The RRS is one that competes with the X5 in terms of size, and IMO the RRS, whilst it has its issues, likely has no more problems than a X5 would have anyway.

[Fat Wolfie]

I had a Velar First Edition D300 for just over a year.

I am very glad to be out of it..

Mine didn’t have any significant problems but there are plenty that do. (I ended up in the Velar following rejection of a new Full Fat so am unfortunately only too familiar with the variable quality of JLR products).

The good points -

The interior was a truely lovely place to be. Immense feel good factor .

Handling was pretty good, certainly better than the Full Fat.

The D300 engine was epic. Plenty of power, especially in Sport mode. Pretty economical too when on a long run (pretty rubbish around town)

The digital dash display configurability and presentation was brilliant. But like most people, once your favourite set up is established you don’t touch it again..

The bad points

I had the matrix light set up. I was hugely unimpressed by them, they seem to have a flat beam and you have a big black area in front of the windscreen then there’s the lit road. Swmbo thought they were great, so that was probably just me.

The dual screen looks great but makes the car very difficult to use in real life. Highly distracting to do just about anything - putting heated seats on/off, changing temperature in cabin, changing radio station. If fact the more I drove the car the more I hated that feature..

D300 on 22 inch rims suffer from a driveshaft grinding noise on tight locks. That grates after a while

The whole infotainment set up worked with a mind of its own. Sometimes. But it was first world things like not always displaying album artwork (some days it would and other days the same track wouldn’t), the JLR sat nav design every so often shrinks the map to 3/4 size and puts an information bar down the right hand side. To get back to full screen you have to tap the map. Apparently it’s designed to do that, god knows why.

The cameras are able to communicate with the spirit world as they often see stuff that’s just not there..

The cost of parts is frightening. For example one Matrix headlight unit is £2,500 + VAT + fitting. And they are susceptible to the bottom edge being “nibbled” by stone chips.

Overall, must admit to being glad to be out of the car.

Out of interest, while new car was on order I was loaned a Skoda Kodiaq with a 190 bhp engine. It was highly impressive and TBH if I wanted a family sized SUV that’s where my money would go..

Good luck with whatever decision you make!

[toon10]

The X5 is more RRS territory than Velar. I think the Velar's are horrendous but that's just me. I know 3 people with the previous gen RRS who all sold them on after less than a year due to major reliability issues. my brother in law has the current RRS and I think that has been fine. Can't comment on the Velar though, not been in one.

The X5 would be my choice. Awesome bit of kit and a reliable and desirable do it all car.

[EC2]

Tried an X5 and really liked it but the seats are a long way from the doors so it is not easy to get in and out off despite being able to lower the air suspension. Drove really well mind and the split boot lid was great.

Comparison wise trouble is Velar feels like class below and RRS class above.

Edited by EC2 on Thursday 6th June 23:19

[DJMC]

Don't buy British. Just don't do it!

[aeropilot]

toon10 said:

The X5 would be my choice. Awesome bit of kit and a reliable and desirable do it all car.

Yep, I agree.

2 or so years ago I looked at all of the options from JLR, BMW, VAG, Jeep, Jap makers etc., and ended up reducing the choice down to between the X5 and a Cayenne. Was 50:50 really in terms of pluses and minuses.......and X5 edged it because of the usefulness (to me) of the split tailgate, plus the great I-Drive, visibility out, and better diesel engine, and more expansive dealer network.
With Porsche dropping diesel engines, that discounts even the Cayenne now, which just leaves the X5, although BMW dropping the fabulous 40d engine from the new X5 range is a big negative for me, and probably why I'll be keeping my F15 X5 for a lot longer than I was expecting to.

[HoHoHo]

You will almost certainly get a much better discount on the X5 than Velar

[Pioneer]

Have you considered a X7? Always had 2 or 3 BMWs on the drive in one guise or another ever since I was young. But I never warmed to the X5. We must be on our 5th Disco by now. We eventually decided to go to a FFRR as we don't need the space the Disco offers however the outlaws are driving less and less so a proper 7 seater still makes sense. Not liking the new shape Disco we've been looking at alternatives. The X7 looks like it's a league well above the Velar and RRS. Big old lump though and not sure it's up with the FFRR. Yet to drive one, but the BMW reliability and company itself appeals over JLR at the moment!

[Earthdweller]

Surely the X5 is a size up from the Velar which would be more X3 sized

[anonymous-user]

The BMW doesn’t really seem any more or less reliable than a JLR product these days. Certainly there are far more forums crammed with grumbles for BMW than JLR.

There always the chance of a poor car. (Unless you buy Korean or Malaysian etc, it seems.) Plenty of horror stories for the X5 as well as the JLR products.

As for infotainment etc. Jaguar have moved a long way with that. Cars from 2017 now can receive SOTA updates and I wouldn’t regard the latest versions as laggy. IME it’s better than the early G30, though I guess they’ve been updated by now too. Voice rec, Apple and Android CarPlay and the SatNav all works well in my XF.

[rayyan171]

REALIST123 said:

The BMW doesn’t really seem any more or less reliable than a JLR product these days. Certainly there are far more forums crammed with grumbles for BMW than JLR.

There always the chance of a poor car. (Unless you buy Korean or Malaysian etc, it seems.) Plenty of horror stories for the X5 as well as the JLR products.

As for infotainment etc. Jaguar have moved a long way with that. Cars from 2017 now can receive SOTA updates and I wouldn’t regard the latest versions as laggy. IME it’s better than the early G30, though I guess they’ve been updated by now too. Voice rec, Apple and Android CarPlay and the SatNav all works well in my XF.

Really am starting to think this way about BMW's. Having an X5, we really wonder if it is going to be any different if we had a RRS instead, as many things have had to be fixed.

[Chestrockwell]

Definitely go for the X5, a tried and tested formula. I think the new ones look stunning and have a major presence on the road.

The Velar is also a looker but only in the right spec and colour, I’m not a fan of the twin screens in the car that are all touch screen, I’m currently driving a Civic with touch screen and much preferred the I-drive in my BMW, the swivel wheel is the best way of sagely navigating through your infotainment system. I can’t imagine changing temperatures and turning the heated seas on/off.

I haven’t owned an RR or LR so I can’t comment on reliability but my BMW was pretty reliable, few niggles here and there but the support from BMW was very good, 4 dealers within a 20 mile radius. I didn’t even consider rejecting the car once unlike some other JLR owners I’ve heard about. No car like the X5 or in that category is going to be 100% reliable. They’re big complex beasts so it’s a given.

Go for the X5 I reckon

[aeropilot]

rayyan171 said:

REALIST123 said:

The BMW doesn’t really seem any more or less reliable than a JLR product these days. Certainly there are far more forums crammed with grumbles for BMW than JLR.

There always the chance of a poor car. (Unless you buy Korean or Malaysian etc, it seems.) Plenty of horror stories for the X5 as well as the JLR products.

As for infotainment etc. Jaguar have moved a long way with that. Cars from 2017 now can receive SOTA updates and I wouldn’t regard the latest versions as laggy. IME it’s better than the early G30, though I guess they’ve been updated by now too. Voice rec, Apple and Android CarPlay and the SatNav all works well in my XF.

Really am starting to think this way about BMW's. Having an X5, we really wonder if it is going to be any different if we had a RRS instead, as many things have had to be fixed.

I've been more than happy with mine, especially after the constant issues I had with my previous 135i.
Only issue I've had in 2 years with my X5, was it needed a replacement steering wheel, as the stitching came loose in one small area at about 9 months old.

[rayyan171]

aeropilot said:

rayyan171 said:

REALIST123 said:

The BMW doesn’t really seem any more or less reliable than a JLR product these days. Certainly there are far more forums crammed with grumbles for BMW than JLR.

There always the chance of a poor car. (Unless you buy Korean or Malaysian etc, it seems.) Plenty of horror stories for the X5 as well as the JLR products.

As for infotainment etc. Jaguar have moved a long way with that. Cars from 2017 now can receive SOTA updates and I wouldn’t regard the latest versions as laggy. IME it’s better than the early G30, though I guess they’ve been updated by now too. Voice rec, Apple and Android CarPlay and the SatNav all works well in my XF.

Really am starting to think this way about BMW's. Having an X5, we really wonder if it is going to be any different if we had a RRS instead, as many things have had to be fixed.

I've been more than happy with mine, especially after the constant issues I had with my previous 135i.
Only issue I've had in 2 years with my X5, was it needed a replacement steering wheel, as the stitching came loose in one small area at about 9 months old.

Happiness is one thing. We love ours. However the cost of maintaining it and keeping it A1 is steep. I have a readers cars thread if you want to take a look at how running costs have been.

[aeropilot]

rayyan171 said:

aeropilot said:

rayyan171 said:

REALIST123 said:

The BMW doesn’t really seem any more or less reliable than a JLR product these days. Certainly there are far more forums crammed with grumbles for BMW than JLR.

There always the chance of a poor car. (Unless you buy Korean or Malaysian etc, it seems.) Plenty of horror stories for the X5 as well as the JLR products.

As for infotainment etc. Jaguar have moved a long way with that. Cars from 2017 now can receive SOTA updates and I wouldn’t regard the latest versions as laggy. IME it’s better than the early G30, though I guess they’ve been updated by now too. Voice rec, Apple and Android CarPlay and the SatNav all works well in my XF.

Really am starting to think this way about BMW's. Having an X5, we really wonder if it is going to be any different if we had a RRS instead, as many things have had to be fixed.

I've been more than happy with mine, especially after the constant issues I had with my previous 135i.
Only issue I've had in 2 years with my X5, was it needed a replacement steering wheel, as the stitching came loose in one small area at about 9 months old.

Happiness is one thing. We love ours. However the cost of maintaining it and keeping it A1 is steep. I have a readers cars thread if you want to take a look at how running costs have been.

To be fair to the OP's question, he was thinking about a new X5, and yours is 10 years old with over a 100k on the clock, so questioning the running costs based on a 10 year old E70 against a 2 generations newer G05 is not really a valid comparison.
I bet though that your yearly running costs are still lower than the yearly depreciation on a new one

[rayyan171]

aeropilot said:

rayyan171 said:

aeropilot said:

rayyan171 said:

REALIST123 said:

The BMW doesn’t really seem any more or less reliable than a JLR product these days. Certainly there are far more forums crammed with grumbles for BMW than JLR.

There always the chance of a poor car. (Unless you buy Korean or Malaysian etc, it seems.) Plenty of horror stories for the X5 as well as the JLR products.

As for infotainment etc. Jaguar have moved a long way with that. Cars from 2017 now can receive SOTA updates and I wouldn’t regard the latest versions as laggy. IME it’s better than the early G30, though I guess they’ve been updated by now too. Voice rec, Apple and Android CarPlay and the SatNav all works well in my XF.

Really am starting to think this way about BMW's. Having an X5, we really wonder if it is going to be any different if we had a RRS instead, as many things have had to be fixed.

I've been more than happy with mine, especially after the constant issues I had with my previous 135i.
Only issue I've had in 2 years with my X5, was it needed a replacement steering wheel, as the stitching came loose in one small area at about 9 months old.

Happiness is one thing. We love ours. However the cost of maintaining it and keeping it A1 is steep. I have a readers cars thread if you want to take a look at how running costs have been.

To be fair to the OP's question, he was thinking about a new X5, and yours is 10 years old with over a 100k on the clock, so questioning the running costs based on a 10 year old E70 against a 2 generations newer G05 is not really a valid comparison.
I bet though that your yearly running costs are still lower than the yearly depreciation on a new one

No doubt about that

Saying that, even somewhat newer versions have been plagued with issues sometimes. All of them hate having non * marked tyres (therefore cheaper tyres), and can mess up the transmission in the process. Facelift E70's all the way up to the 63 plate ones had the driveshaft issues which would shoot through the engine block or something silly like that.