Discussion
JNW1 said:
Of course they do but all I'm saying is I think the current deals on the M340i are mediocre at best compared to some other models in the BMW range.
That's no doubt because it's a new model - and therefore not attracting the level of support BMW are offering elsewhere - but to be spending the equivalent of over £800/month on one makes no sense to me. Something like an X3 M40i is probably closer to an M340i in terms of being a rounded daily driver and they've also been some good offers on those recently (circa £500 down followed by £500 for 48 months IIRC); the offer on the X3M Competition - which is an £80k list price car - is also considerably cheaper than £800/month even when you adjust the headline figures for a 3-year, 36 month agreement.
So each to their own but personally I think you have to be pretty keen on the M340i to be tempted by the deals that are currently on offer!
Looking at the configurator some of the best deals now are on the 4 series, a big deposit contribution for a start. I’m just not sure I want a ‘run out’ model or the weight penalty for the convertible.That's no doubt because it's a new model - and therefore not attracting the level of support BMW are offering elsewhere - but to be spending the equivalent of over £800/month on one makes no sense to me. Something like an X3 M40i is probably closer to an M340i in terms of being a rounded daily driver and they've also been some good offers on those recently (circa £500 down followed by £500 for 48 months IIRC); the offer on the X3M Competition - which is an £80k list price car - is also considerably cheaper than £800/month even when you adjust the headline figures for a 3-year, 36 month agreement.
So each to their own but personally I think you have to be pretty keen on the M340i to be tempted by the deals that are currently on offer!
I wouldn't either to be fair, I don't mind buying a run out model, I bought my F11 like that, but it was £14k cash, I wouldn't want to be paying out a few hundred a month though.
Also, no offence to owners, but I though the last range of 3 and 4's a bit of a let down build wise, inter trim not great, lots of cabin noise, just didn't feel as solid as the generation before imho. This new one is great though, and I could happily go back into a 3er with the G21.
I would speak to Alpina about the B3, with the options you have and the better residuals it might be worth considering?
Also, no offence to owners, but I though the last range of 3 and 4's a bit of a let down build wise, inter trim not great, lots of cabin noise, just didn't feel as solid as the generation before imho. This new one is great though, and I could happily go back into a 3er with the G21.
I would speak to Alpina about the B3, with the options you have and the better residuals it might be worth considering?
Just read the last few pages.
An X3M is not an 80k car, the reality is somewhere in the 50’s
A 440i GC is not a 52k car, the reality is somewhere in the 30’s
Are people really duped thinking they are actually getting a ‘80k (or 52k) car for ‘x’ per month? It’s totally fake.
I suppose Honda could put the ‘list price’ of a jazz up to £100k but knock them out for £179/month. That would be an amazing deal!
An X3M is not an 80k car, the reality is somewhere in the 50’s
A 440i GC is not a 52k car, the reality is somewhere in the 30’s
Are people really duped thinking they are actually getting a ‘80k (or 52k) car for ‘x’ per month? It’s totally fake.
I suppose Honda could put the ‘list price’ of a jazz up to £100k but knock them out for £179/month. That would be an amazing deal!
ITP said:
Just read the last few pages.
An X3M is not an 80k car, the reality is somewhere in the 50’s
A 440i GC is not a 52k car, the reality is somewhere in the 30’s
Are people really duped thinking they are actually getting a ‘80k (or 52k) car for ‘x’ per month? It’s totally fake.
I suppose Honda could put the ‘list price’ of a jazz up to £100k but knock them out for £179/month. That would be an amazing deal!
Based on list prices an X3M with only an odd extra added is notionally an £80k car and a well specced 440i GC is a £52k car; I'd be the first to agree you'd be crackers to pay that for either but not all buyers are savvy enough to realise the level of discounts available! By the same token I'd argue an M340i Touring isn't a £55k car either (and that's where the list price debate/comparisons started).An X3M is not an 80k car, the reality is somewhere in the 50’s
A 440i GC is not a 52k car, the reality is somewhere in the 30’s
Are people really duped thinking they are actually getting a ‘80k (or 52k) car for ‘x’ per month? It’s totally fake.
I suppose Honda could put the ‘list price’ of a jazz up to £100k but knock them out for £179/month. That would be an amazing deal!
On the more general point I think it's perhaps about time BMW brought a touch of realism to their list prices as setting them high only to discount them significantly seems a bit daft to me (unless of course the proportion of buyers paying close to those list prices is a lot higher than I think!).
Only one dealer was giving any sort of significant discount on carwow on the m340 touring. The one I'm getting had all 3 option packs, not that I wanted all 3 , but I did want 2 of them. I'm ok with the deal we got. Another dealer was wanting 80 more a month!
I'm probably more interested in talking about the car now than finance deals, and hopefully we will have it in just over a week.
I'm probably more interested in talking about the car now than finance deals, and hopefully we will have it in just over a week.
ITP said:
Just read the last few pages.
An X3M is not an 80k car, the reality is somewhere in the 50’s
A 440i GC is not a 52k car, the reality is somewhere in the 30’s
Are people really duped thinking they are actually getting a ‘80k (or 52k) car for ‘x’ per month? It’s totally fake.
I suppose Honda could put the ‘list price’ of a jazz up to £100k but knock them out for £179/month. That would be an amazing deal!
The X3M is really a £20,000 car.An X3M is not an 80k car, the reality is somewhere in the 50’s
A 440i GC is not a 52k car, the reality is somewhere in the 30’s
Are people really duped thinking they are actually getting a ‘80k (or 52k) car for ‘x’ per month? It’s totally fake.
I suppose Honda could put the ‘list price’ of a jazz up to £100k but knock them out for £179/month. That would be an amazing deal!
How much of BMWs profit you chip into is another matter.
The only sensible comparison is list price, because the level BMW will discount varies all over the shop over time.
BlueEyedBoy said:
Only one dealer was giving any sort of significant discount on carwow on the m340 touring. The one I'm getting had all 3 option packs, not that I wanted all 3 , but I did want 2 of them. I'm ok with the deal we got. Another dealer was wanting 80 more a month!
I'm probably more interested in talking about the car now than finance deals, and hopefully we will have it in just over a week.
quite. You're at the point of haggling over small beer, at the current time anyway-sounds great. Enjoy the car and share your thoughtsI'm probably more interested in talking about the car now than finance deals, and hopefully we will have it in just over a week.
TRL has some stock Tourings in various spec
None are truly standard to compare with my other figures come but a bit of man maths gives this as a decent stab for a car with no options:
Deposit £4,650 then 47x£499 for 8k miles per year
In summer 2016 a 340i Shadowline (high spec) Touring was 4k down and £421x47
And a 540i Touring was 4k down and £480x47 months
So I am now asking myself if the new M340i Touring is worth £20/week more than the F31.
Putting it like that it may well be for the higher spec and AWD.
Decisions, decisions.
I wonder what a 540i Touring would cost today though......
Cheers
numtumfutunch said:
TRL has some stock Tourings in various spec
None are truly standard to compare with my other figures come but a bit of man maths gives this as a decent stab for a car with no options:
Deposit £4,650 then 47x£499 for 8k miles per year
In summer 2016 a 340i Shadowline (high spec) Touring was 4k down and £421x47
And a 540i Touring was 4k down and £480x47 months
So I am now asking myself if the new M340i Touring is worth £20/week more than the F31.
Putting it like that it may well be for the higher spec and AWD.
Decisions, decisions.
I wonder what a 540i Touring would cost today though......
Cheers
So TRL's current deals on the G21 M340i Touring are offering discounts of around 16% with 4.9% finance? Guess that's ok for a new model but I still think there will be better deals available within the next 12 months if you don't want to - or need to - commit immediately.None are truly standard to compare with my other figures come but a bit of man maths gives this as a decent stab for a car with no options:
Deposit £4,650 then 47x£499 for 8k miles per year
In summer 2016 a 340i Shadowline (high spec) Touring was 4k down and £421x47
And a 540i Touring was 4k down and £480x47 months
So I am now asking myself if the new M340i Touring is worth £20/week more than the F31.
Putting it like that it may well be for the higher spec and AWD.
Decisions, decisions.
I wonder what a 540i Touring would cost today though......
Cheers
By way of comparison discounts on the 540i Touring are around the mid-20% mark; for example, Coast2Coast are offering 24% on an M-Sport with the Tech and Plus Packs which brings a car with a list price of just over £59k down to £45k. On the face of it better value for money than the 3-series but obviously a slightly older design and - for me at least - too big for what I want.
Wills2 said:
BFleming said:
One warning about the 5 series over a 3 series - size. I find my 5 series too big - specifically too long, and it's pretty wide. But the 3 series cabin was slightly too small for my needs. The C Class estate is a better shape, and the Passat more practical, but I didn't want to die of boredom.
It's all relative I have a G11 7er and recently had a G20 3er as a loaner for a week when I got in it I thought it was tiny, but as the time went on you get used to it, getting back in the 7er was a shock as it felt enormous again but only for a while. I think you get used to whatever you drive myself.
Yes, you quickly get used to the size and it becomes your new norm, like you'd get used to weighing 5kg more after a while if you put on weight, but if you suddenly gave your younger self 5kg to carry on a run then they'd find it really noticeable.
However, even now I've done a few thousand miles in the 5, I can still tell it weighs more and is larger when I'm driving it. In terms of parking, it's very noticeable then, but I rarely park it in spaces, so that doesn't bother me: I just drive to work, home, to my parents, and friends, all of whom have large free parking areas rather than marked spaces.
One thing I will say is that whilst my 5 handles about 30% worse than the 3 and costs about 30% more to fuel and run, the improvement in refinement and comfort is about 100%, so if they matter to you, it's worth it. It's also far easier to pack on family holidays and days out, and we can take more. Plus it tows my racing car far better. I just wish they'd fit them with sensible wheels and tyres to reduce roar at speed (my rears are 19" 275s - is that really necessary?!).
RobM77 said:
I've recently moved from a 3 (my fifth) to a 5 (my first). I think there's truth in what you both say.
Yes, you quickly get used to the size and it becomes your new norm, like you'd get used to weighing 5kg more after a while if you put on weight, but if you suddenly gave your younger self 5kg to carry on a run then they'd find it really noticeable.
However, even now I've done a few thousand miles in the 5, I can still tell it weighs more and is larger when I'm driving it. In terms of parking, it's very noticeable then, but I rarely park it in spaces, so that doesn't bother me: I just drive to work, home, to my parents, and friends, all of whom have large free parking areas rather than marked spaces.
One thing I will say is that whilst my 5 handles about 30% worse than the 3 and costs about 30% more to fuel and run, the improvement in refinement and comfort is about 100%, so if they matter to you, it's worth it. It's also far easier to pack on family holidays and days out, and we can take more. Plus it tows my racing car far better. I just wish they'd fit them with sensible wheels and tyres to reduce roar at speed (my rears are 19" 275s - is that really necessary?!).
I've just gone from a 1 series to a 5 series and the size was a bit of a concern for me. It feels and drives like a smaller car than it is but it definitely feels bigger than the little 1. With the 365 degree parking sensors, tilt down mirror and rear camera, it's took no time at all to get used to the size. in fact I'd say it's just as easy to park as the 1 series as there is more tech to help you. My son lives with his mother and they have a house on a bend and I now find myself reverse parking the 5 no problem when I never really tried with the 1 for some reason. The camera helps a lot with knowing what is around you I suppose. I never have trouble parking it but I do sometimes have trouble opening the door to get out! That's where the size gets you. I hunt for wider spots now just to avoid other cars hitting my doors when I never really thought about that before. Yes, you quickly get used to the size and it becomes your new norm, like you'd get used to weighing 5kg more after a while if you put on weight, but if you suddenly gave your younger self 5kg to carry on a run then they'd find it really noticeable.
However, even now I've done a few thousand miles in the 5, I can still tell it weighs more and is larger when I'm driving it. In terms of parking, it's very noticeable then, but I rarely park it in spaces, so that doesn't bother me: I just drive to work, home, to my parents, and friends, all of whom have large free parking areas rather than marked spaces.
One thing I will say is that whilst my 5 handles about 30% worse than the 3 and costs about 30% more to fuel and run, the improvement in refinement and comfort is about 100%, so if they matter to you, it's worth it. It's also far easier to pack on family holidays and days out, and we can take more. Plus it tows my racing car far better. I just wish they'd fit them with sensible wheels and tyres to reduce roar at speed (my rears are 19" 275s - is that really necessary?!).
toon10 said:
RobM77 said:
I've recently moved from a 3 (my fifth) to a 5 (my first). I think there's truth in what you both say.
Yes, you quickly get used to the size and it becomes your new norm, like you'd get used to weighing 5kg more after a while if you put on weight, but if you suddenly gave your younger self 5kg to carry on a run then they'd find it really noticeable.
However, even now I've done a few thousand miles in the 5, I can still tell it weighs more and is larger when I'm driving it. In terms of parking, it's very noticeable then, but I rarely park it in spaces, so that doesn't bother me: I just drive to work, home, to my parents, and friends, all of whom have large free parking areas rather than marked spaces.
One thing I will say is that whilst my 5 handles about 30% worse than the 3 and costs about 30% more to fuel and run, the improvement in refinement and comfort is about 100%, so if they matter to you, it's worth it. It's also far easier to pack on family holidays and days out, and we can take more. Plus it tows my racing car far better. I just wish they'd fit them with sensible wheels and tyres to reduce roar at speed (my rears are 19" 275s - is that really necessary?!).
I've just gone from a 1 series to a 5 series and the size was a bit of a concern for me. It feels and drives like a smaller car than it is but it definitely feels bigger than the little 1. With the 365 degree parking sensors, tilt down mirror and rear camera, it's took no time at all to get used to the size. in fact I'd say it's just as easy to park as the 1 series as there is more tech to help you. My son lives with his mother and they have a house on a bend and I now find myself reverse parking the 5 no problem when I never really tried with the 1 for some reason. The camera helps a lot with knowing what is around you I suppose. I never have trouble parking it but I do sometimes have trouble opening the door to get out! That's where the size gets you. I hunt for wider spots now just to avoid other cars hitting my doors when I never really thought about that before. Yes, you quickly get used to the size and it becomes your new norm, like you'd get used to weighing 5kg more after a while if you put on weight, but if you suddenly gave your younger self 5kg to carry on a run then they'd find it really noticeable.
However, even now I've done a few thousand miles in the 5, I can still tell it weighs more and is larger when I'm driving it. In terms of parking, it's very noticeable then, but I rarely park it in spaces, so that doesn't bother me: I just drive to work, home, to my parents, and friends, all of whom have large free parking areas rather than marked spaces.
One thing I will say is that whilst my 5 handles about 30% worse than the 3 and costs about 30% more to fuel and run, the improvement in refinement and comfort is about 100%, so if they matter to you, it's worth it. It's also far easier to pack on family holidays and days out, and we can take more. Plus it tows my racing car far better. I just wish they'd fit them with sensible wheels and tyres to reduce roar at speed (my rears are 19" 275s - is that really necessary?!).
That's worth saying: the 5 definitely drives like a smaller car than it is. Mind you, I chatted to a friend about this yesterday and he disagreed, although he'd driven his Dad's SE and mine is an MSport - it's a very big car to be fitting soft springs to, and that 20mm difference will matter a lot in cornering, so I wonder if that's the reason for that difference. I'd long heard stories that it's the car BMW love to focus on, and it's certainly been extremely well engineered in every area, including R&H. No amount of chassis engineering will hide the size when parking though 
I also look for spaces away from other cars, but that's because my 5 is in practically as-new condition and I don't want people scratching it - I've done the same with all the nice cars I've owned.JNW1 said:
numtumfutunch said:
TRL has some stock Tourings in various spec
None are truly standard to compare with my other figures come but a bit of man maths gives this as a decent stab for a car with no options:
Deposit £4,650 then 47x£499 for 8k miles per year
In summer 2016 a 340i Shadowline (high spec) Touring was 4k down and £421x47
And a 540i Touring was 4k down and £480x47 months
So I am now asking myself if the new M340i Touring is worth £20/week more than the F31.
Putting it like that it may well be for the higher spec and AWD.
Decisions, decisions.
I wonder what a 540i Touring would cost today though......
Cheers
So TRL's current deals on the G21 M340i Touring are offering discounts of around 16% with 4.9% finance? Guess that's ok for a new model but I still think there will be better deals available within the next 12 months if you don't want to - or need to - commit immediately.None are truly standard to compare with my other figures come but a bit of man maths gives this as a decent stab for a car with no options:
Deposit £4,650 then 47x£499 for 8k miles per year
In summer 2016 a 340i Shadowline (high spec) Touring was 4k down and £421x47
And a 540i Touring was 4k down and £480x47 months
So I am now asking myself if the new M340i Touring is worth £20/week more than the F31.
Putting it like that it may well be for the higher spec and AWD.
Decisions, decisions.
I wonder what a 540i Touring would cost today though......
Cheers
By way of comparison discounts on the 540i Touring are around the mid-20% mark; for example, Coast2Coast are offering 24% on an M-Sport with the Tech and Plus Packs which brings a car with a list price of just over £59k down to £45k. On the face of it better value for money than the 3-series but obviously a slightly older design and - for me at least - too big for what I want.
So obvs a bit of scope for a price crash, hopefully.....
Cheers
Ordered today for delivery March/April.
https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/h3j8q1i...
I was sceptical about the colour until I saw ‘Sunset Orange’ in the flesh.
https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/h3j8q1i...
I was sceptical about the colour until I saw ‘Sunset Orange’ in the flesh.
bad company said:
Ordered today for delivery March/April.
https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/h3j8q1i...
I was sceptical about the colour until I saw ‘Sunset Orange’ in the flesh.
Great colour choice !https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/h3j8q1i...
I was sceptical about the colour until I saw ‘Sunset Orange’ in the flesh.
Does HUD now come with speed limit display (road sign detection) ?
bad company said:
Ordered today for delivery March/April.
https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/h3j8q1i...
I was sceptical about the colour until I saw ‘Sunset Orange’ in the flesh.
Sunset Orange is a great colour and such a change from all the grey, black and silver that's around. I had been looking at an 8 series in SO but delivery dates didnt align with when my car goes back. https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/h3j8q1i...
I was sceptical about the colour until I saw ‘Sunset Orange’ in the flesh.
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