Check my man maths, M135i vs 330d vs 335d
Discussion
Due to a few factors I have decide to hand my work car back and run my own car and claim the 40p a mile for an average annual work mileage of about 10 thousand miles. Just looking at options for what to get (it's going to be a BMW) and wanted some advice as to weather my number stack up. My BMW car history is 2 x 130i's (should never have sold the last one!) and my wife now has a 2009 118d) My non BMW history is boring VAG estate cars for work and fast sports cars (caterham, turbo MX5 etc) for fun so it this would be a one car does all option as i don't have the time for a separate sports car right now (have a 3 year old son)
Options for me are 2014 M135i (the fun option), 2009/10 330d (the sensible option) and 2009/10 335d (the middle option) taking into account what i will get paid back from work for fuel the M135i will costs me £379 a year whereas the 330d I will get paid £764 but i will lose having to pay company car tax so i will be up about 1k even with time M135i! (happy days!) So the question is will the M135i be worth the extra 1k in term of fun? (probably yes i would say!?) I think i have discounted the 335d as it is too close to the M135i in terms of cost so would just go for the M135i.
In terms of my calculations i have predicted £1300 loss in depreciated from the 13k M135i, 500 for the 6k 330d and £1000 from the 8k 335d. sound about right? Fuel costs i have calculated at 30mpg M135i, 35mpg 335d and 40 mpg 330d. Is that realistic? Maintenance i am assuming about £500 a year for each car (i have very cheap labour costs as a friend manages a garage) This is also assuming that when i buy the car i start with everything done and fresh. One thing i would like to know more about it the E90 300d/335d reliability assuming that might have the ability to throw a larger bill as they are an older model than the M135i which seem to be rock solid in terms of reliability?
The mileage will be a mix of nice A roads and motorways
Opinions much appreciated
year one BMW M135i BMW 330D BMW 335d
purchase price 13000 6000 8000
year one running costs BMW M135i BMW 330D BMW 335d
tax 300 200 300
Insurnace 400 400 400
fuel 10k miles 30,40, 35 mpg 1879 1636 1432
maintence 500 500 500
depreciation 1300 500 1000
total year 1 4379 3236 3632
Money back from fuel 4000 4000 4000
Total cost -379 764 368
Options for me are 2014 M135i (the fun option), 2009/10 330d (the sensible option) and 2009/10 335d (the middle option) taking into account what i will get paid back from work for fuel the M135i will costs me £379 a year whereas the 330d I will get paid £764 but i will lose having to pay company car tax so i will be up about 1k even with time M135i! (happy days!) So the question is will the M135i be worth the extra 1k in term of fun? (probably yes i would say!?) I think i have discounted the 335d as it is too close to the M135i in terms of cost so would just go for the M135i.
In terms of my calculations i have predicted £1300 loss in depreciated from the 13k M135i, 500 for the 6k 330d and £1000 from the 8k 335d. sound about right? Fuel costs i have calculated at 30mpg M135i, 35mpg 335d and 40 mpg 330d. Is that realistic? Maintenance i am assuming about £500 a year for each car (i have very cheap labour costs as a friend manages a garage) This is also assuming that when i buy the car i start with everything done and fresh. One thing i would like to know more about it the E90 300d/335d reliability assuming that might have the ability to throw a larger bill as they are an older model than the M135i which seem to be rock solid in terms of reliability?
The mileage will be a mix of nice A roads and motorways
Opinions much appreciated
year one BMW M135i BMW 330D BMW 335d
purchase price 13000 6000 8000
year one running costs BMW M135i BMW 330D BMW 335d
tax 300 200 300
Insurnace 400 400 400
fuel 10k miles 30,40, 35 mpg 1879 1636 1432
maintence 500 500 500
depreciation 1300 500 1000
total year 1 4379 3236 3632
Money back from fuel 4000 4000 4000
Total cost -379 764 368
You are assuming that a ten year old BMW will cost no more than £500 a year in maintenance which seems delusional.
What’s your total annual mileage if you do 10k for work? 15, 20?
Tyres could be a big chunk of that budget, let alone servicing and repairs.
Are there any restrictions on the age of car you must have for work?
What’s your total annual mileage if you do 10k for work? 15, 20?
Tyres could be a big chunk of that budget, let alone servicing and repairs.
Are there any restrictions on the age of car you must have for work?
Mileage will be 10k work and about 3-5k private probably,
I was thinking the older models i might need to up the maintenance costs and i was thinking of having an additional budget for unexpected repairs (up to about 1k)
In terms of general maintenance thinking
Tyres last about 20k so change every 18 months at £400
oil service every year at £80 (as i say i have cheap/ free labour)
air filter, pollen filter, plugs all cheap and easy to do
have factored everything being fresh into the purchase price but say every 3 years i should factor in ads and disks (500) diff and gear box oil (£100) etc.
people experience with the cars mentioned would be appreciated
Cheers
"disillusion" Paul!
I was thinking the older models i might need to up the maintenance costs and i was thinking of having an additional budget for unexpected repairs (up to about 1k)
In terms of general maintenance thinking
Tyres last about 20k so change every 18 months at £400
oil service every year at £80 (as i say i have cheap/ free labour)
air filter, pollen filter, plugs all cheap and easy to do
have factored everything being fresh into the purchase price but say every 3 years i should factor in ads and disks (500) diff and gear box oil (£100) etc.
people experience with the cars mentioned would be appreciated
Cheers
"disillusion" Paul!
It's a Skoda Octavia estate and no i am not into the higher band. It costs me about £110 a month right now i think and this is going up in 2020 as there is going to be a 4 percent hike on deasils! I also hate it as i never feel like i am off work as it is all stickered up with the company name etc! I also hate the skoda, perfectly good car but so freaking dull and hate FWD.
As i say i do drive some really nice roads for work so be great to have a car i want to drive! Even if i add on £1000 for maintenance i will still be below the current cost taking into account tax for the skoda.
Cheers Paul
As i say i do drive some really nice roads for work so be great to have a car i want to drive! Even if i add on £1000 for maintenance i will still be below the current cost taking into account tax for the skoda.
Cheers Paul
with about a grand in it buy the one you really want.
Yopu'll need to add the difference in the extra costs of the private mileage as a whole, not minus the 40p.
Also you can claim the tax back on 5p per mile( self assessment or P87) , as the allowed rate is £0.45ppm, irrespective of car.
Why a new 135 or an old diesel?
Purchase price is the bigger factor here.
Yopu'll need to add the difference in the extra costs of the private mileage as a whole, not minus the 40p.
Also you can claim the tax back on 5p per mile( self assessment or P87) , as the allowed rate is £0.45ppm, irrespective of car.
Why a new 135 or an old diesel?
Purchase price is the bigger factor here.
naturalaspiration said:
Why not going back to 130i? If you stick with older ones you'll get the revered N52 engine. Plentiful fast with a proper old school ultimate driving machine credentials. Pretty much zero depreciation if you stick with a coupe or three door hatch.
That sounds like a great idea! I'm currently on numbers 3 and 4 with the N52 engine and just love it. One is a Z4 Coupe, the other is an E90 330i (because I couldn't find a 130i in budget).
I'd certainly rule out the diesels if you want to have a bit of fun. I had 4 cylinder turbo-diesels because of business use for nearly 10 years, then I discovered straight 6 petrols and would never go back.
Plus if it may be relevant the petrols will be ULEZ exempt - I'm not sure the diesels would!
I can give a bit or real world feedback on one of the models listed above. I have an 08 330d Lci Touring (auto), you may maintain for £500 a year but depends on what needs maintaining - no crystal ball.
In 3 years and 29k miles mines has had:
1x pair front tyres
2x pair rear tyres (see below)
1x Starter motor
1x Battery
1x Major service inc discs and pads all round
1x Pair rear shocks
3 x MOT
1x Second hand set of wheels
1x Gearbox oil flush and filter clean
2x Rear control arms
1x Full laser wheel alignment and adjust.
It's due another service soon too as I do it 15k/18 months or there abouts.
I'm lucky enough to only pay trade for parts, and half price labour but even with that i'm sure i'm well over £1500.
Having said that the set of second hand wheels were an unforeseen expense as i smashed into a 8 inch deep pot hole at 70mph at night and wrecked two wheels and one tyre, and in May this year it had a suspension failure resulting in it killing two rear tyres. Take these out of the maintenance and costs aren't too bad.
Fuel wise i get mid to high 30's on very mixed running based on filling the tank and refilling after 400 miles not based on the computer. I commute to Manchester from West Midlands a lot, if I can do the trip with no stop start traffic then I can just get there and back three times on one tank - about 580 miles. From a fuel point of view the impressive thing for me is when it's fully loaded. We head down to South Vendee in France most years, 2 adults, 2 teenagers, luggage for 12 days, plus roof box on - we usually do around 1,800 miles over that trip costing around £230 to £250 in fuel, depending on exchange rate/local fuel costs - works out over 42mpg.
Final point is the 2nd hand market has tons of choice, but there is a very broad spectrum of condition. It took me over 3 months to find the one I have after looking at many "mint examples" that were far from what I would call average, I had a decent budget too so was looking at the lower mileage, lower owner end of the market.
In 3 years and 29k miles mines has had:
1x pair front tyres
2x pair rear tyres (see below
)1x Starter motor
1x Battery
1x Major service inc discs and pads all round
1x Pair rear shocks
3 x MOT
1x Second hand set of wheels
1x Gearbox oil flush and filter clean
2x Rear control arms
1x Full laser wheel alignment and adjust.
It's due another service soon too as I do it 15k/18 months or there abouts.
I'm lucky enough to only pay trade for parts, and half price labour but even with that i'm sure i'm well over £1500.
Having said that the set of second hand wheels were an unforeseen expense as i smashed into a 8 inch deep pot hole at 70mph at night and wrecked two wheels and one tyre, and in May this year it had a suspension failure resulting in it killing two rear tyres. Take these out of the maintenance and costs aren't too bad.
Fuel wise i get mid to high 30's on very mixed running based on filling the tank and refilling after 400 miles not based on the computer. I commute to Manchester from West Midlands a lot, if I can do the trip with no stop start traffic then I can just get there and back three times on one tank - about 580 miles. From a fuel point of view the impressive thing for me is when it's fully loaded. We head down to South Vendee in France most years, 2 adults, 2 teenagers, luggage for 12 days, plus roof box on - we usually do around 1,800 miles over that trip costing around £230 to £250 in fuel, depending on exchange rate/local fuel costs - works out over 42mpg.
Final point is the 2nd hand market has tons of choice, but there is a very broad spectrum of condition. It took me over 3 months to find the one I have after looking at many "mint examples" that were far from what I would call average, I had a decent budget too so was looking at the lower mileage, lower owner end of the market.
From what I gather, the M135i should cost less in maintenance. The E90’s are getting on a bit now and even a good one will need some love, a bad one even more. The facelift cars seem to have a few expensive issues such as the fuel pumps which would nuke your yearly budget. BMW diesel turbos don’t (or at least didn’t) have the best reputation when I was on s BMW forum.
20k on rear tyres is ambitious too. I used to be able to eek 18k out of rears now my 325 and 330 but they were usually pretty shagged by that point. All of those cars listed have more power / torque than those cars so making use of that will wear tyres faster.
As a daily, the more modern tech in the M135i and better auto gearbox (if you go down that route) may make commuting a bit more bearable. The pro nav is worth it on these. My M140i is surprisingly frugal when driven sensibly (although that changes quite quickly if you boot it).
20k on rear tyres is ambitious too. I used to be able to eek 18k out of rears now my 325 and 330 but they were usually pretty shagged by that point. All of those cars listed have more power / torque than those cars so making use of that will wear tyres faster.
As a daily, the more modern tech in the M135i and better auto gearbox (if you go down that route) may make commuting a bit more bearable. The pro nav is worth it on these. My M140i is surprisingly frugal when driven sensibly (although that changes quite quickly if you boot it).
many thanks for all the replies
I have upped my yearly maintenance budget to 1k as i think that is more realistic
I think i am going to follow my heart and go for the M135i!
I have found one with the exact spec i want which i am going to put a deposit on!
quite excited!
Cheers for the help
I have upped my yearly maintenance budget to 1k as i think that is more realistic
I think i am going to follow my heart and go for the M135i!
I have found one with the exact spec i want which i am going to put a deposit on!
quite excited!
Cheers for the help
yeah it will be really interesting!
I have driven my friends quite abit so i know i like it but my old 130i had a LSD and uprated suspension etc so i pretty much preferred it over my friends standard M135i but my new M135i i am going to buy has those boxes ticked so that is a big plus for me as i don't have to do them at a later date!
I loved My 130i's but i think for more miles and and work duties the M135i being more modern with things such as cruise control, DAB radio etc and more torque, slightly better MPG i think it makes sense over a 130i. well that's the theory anyway!
see how it goes!
I have driven my friends quite abit so i know i like it but my old 130i had a LSD and uprated suspension etc so i pretty much preferred it over my friends standard M135i but my new M135i i am going to buy has those boxes ticked so that is a big plus for me as i don't have to do them at a later date!
I loved My 130i's but i think for more miles and and work duties the M135i being more modern with things such as cruise control, DAB radio etc and more torque, slightly better MPG i think it makes sense over a 130i. well that's the theory anyway!
see how it goes!
paul n said:
yeah it will be really interesting!
I have driven my friends quite abit so i know i like it but my old 130i had a LSD and uprated suspension etc so i pretty much preferred it over my friends standard M135i but my new M135i i am going to buy has those boxes ticked so that is a big plus for me as i don't have to do them at a later date!
I loved My 130i's but i think for more miles and and work duties the M135i being more modern with things such as cruise control, DAB radio etc and more torque, slightly better MPG i think it makes sense over a 130i. well that's the theory anyway!
see how it goes!
I reckon that's the right choice too.I have driven my friends quite abit so i know i like it but my old 130i had a LSD and uprated suspension etc so i pretty much preferred it over my friends standard M135i but my new M135i i am going to buy has those boxes ticked so that is a big plus for me as i don't have to do them at a later date!
I loved My 130i's but i think for more miles and and work duties the M135i being more modern with things such as cruise control, DAB radio etc and more torque, slightly better MPG i think it makes sense over a 130i. well that's the theory anyway!
see how it goes!
My M140i is pretty good as a daily (in normal driving I don't think the handling / power delivery is as bad as the internet makes out). Its averaging just over 30mpg in 4,600 miles which includes slogging to work and enjoying it a bit.
Has the car you're looking at got pro nav or the standard smaller screen?
Court_S said:
I reckon that's the right choice too.
My M140i is pretty good as a daily (in normal driving I don't think the handling / power delivery is as bad as the internet makes out). Its averaging just over 30mpg in 4,600 miles which includes slogging to work and enjoying it a bit.
Has the car you're looking at got pro nav or the standard smaller screen?
Doesn't' have pro nav but i am not that bothered as i will use sat nav on my phone to be honest that screen (small or large) is one thing that puts me off the M135i! as i just think it looks ugly and gets in the way of forward vision! My M140i is pretty good as a daily (in normal driving I don't think the handling / power delivery is as bad as the internet makes out). Its averaging just over 30mpg in 4,600 miles which includes slogging to work and enjoying it a bit.
Has the car you're looking at got pro nav or the standard smaller screen?
much more interested in the performance/ handling mods this one has!
that being said having cruise control and DAB radio and integrated bluetooth were a must on my list when looking for a work car!
paul n said:
Doesn't' have pro nav but i am not that bothered as i will use sat nav on my phone to be honest that screen (small or large) is one thing that puts me off the M135i! as i just think it looks ugly and gets in the way of forward vision!
much more interested in the performance/ handling mods this one has!
that being said having cruise control and DAB radio and integrated bluetooth were a must on my list when looking for a work car!
The screen used to offend me, but I've decided that I prefer it mounted a bit higher than it was in my previous car (Octavia vRS). The pro nav was a must for me because it brings a few extra bits of functionality.much more interested in the performance/ handling mods this one has!
that being said having cruise control and DAB radio and integrated bluetooth were a must on my list when looking for a work car!
The screen housing the same size for both options, the normal nav just had inserts either that made the screen smaller.
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