Show Me Your BMW!!!!!!!!!
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rlg43p said:
What's so unforgiveable about it?
Because it's new and he likes to rant about new things....he forgets it's a thread for people to share pictures of their BMW's and tries to turn it into a platform for his ill informed opinion. (which he is entitled to hold) but surely it would be better to start a "I hate modern BMWs thread" of his own..Edited by Wills2 on Wednesday 29th November 15:06
RoverP6B said:
Oh, and my sons are 26 and 18. They have said that the very last BMWs that interested them at all were the E60/1 M5 and E92 330i & M3. BMW will never, ever sell them a new car from their current or foreseeable range.
I'm sure Munich is shaking in its boots.....Rather than continuously regurgitate the same old stuff, perhaps you could offer a suggestion as to what you think BMW could do better to further increase their sales beyond their current and future product portfolio?
I'd also like to ask what evidence you have to show that BMWs are now less reliable or less well engineered than in previous generations? They're certainly more complex, so more to go wrong perhaps, but that's not just BMWs, it's every marque. Are BMW massively out of kilter with everyone else then?
Or is it that you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder for some reason and feel the need to release the pressure with the same old rant every so often?
Oh, and just for balance, my youngest is looking at a Mini as a first car when she passes her test shortly, middle son at 20 couldn't give a s
t as long as it has four wheels and an engine, eldest petrol head son at 22 has his sights on a 2 series to replace his 207 Gti, if he can't persuade his mum to pass down her Mini Cooper S. I'm considering trading up from my 440i to an M4, but waiting to see whether the new production Z4 echoes the stunning concept in any way - failing that, I do like the look of the new Stinger.Anyway - can we get back to pictures of everyone's BMWs, I'm not going to be able to shift the chip on your shoulder, and I think it highly unlikely that your rants have any impact on anyone whatsoever, so a bit of a waste of your time and effort.
I do like an E39 BTW
Love me a 3 series touring. Is luxury a trim level now? Never even heard of it! What’s different about it?
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not that much with this car. Different front rear bumpers and bits of chrome. Luxury trim was discontinued at the LCI in 2015.
However this car has sports seats, HUD, sunroof,adaptive M suspension, 19"wheels, enhanced speakers system, adaptive Xenon with swerving lights for corners, reverse camera, pro satnav, high beam assist, servotronic, sports steering wheel, electric memory seats, comfort access, park assist, so a bit of a mixture in spec. terms.
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not that much with this car. Different front rear bumpers and bits of chrome. Luxury trim was discontinued at the LCI in 2015.
However this car has sports seats, HUD, sunroof,adaptive M suspension, 19"wheels, enhanced speakers system, adaptive Xenon with swerving lights for corners, reverse camera, pro satnav, high beam assist, servotronic, sports steering wheel, electric memory seats, comfort access, park assist, so a bit of a mixture in spec. terms.
AB said:
rlg43p said:
RoverP6B said:
The new X3 is unforgivable.
What's so unforgiveable about it?
I'm a huge BMW fan and always have been.
I agree, that looks A LOT better than the original X3 IMO.
njw1 said:
AB said:
rlg43p said:
RoverP6B said:
The new X3 is unforgivable.
What's so unforgiveable about it?I'm a huge BMW fan and always have been.
I agree, that looks A LOT better than the original X3 IMO.
You seriously can't see what's wrong with the X3, with those gopping great grilles on the front?! The BMW kidney grilles have been getting bigger and bigger all the time.
Actually, there's worse. The inventing of micro-niches has spawned something called X2, and it's even uglier.
Aside from the gopping grilles, how are you even supposed to see out of that?! I've been in WW2 pillboxes with better visibility than this!
As for reliability, every BMW independent I speak to tells me the same thing. BMW engineering quality has been in decline for years now. Major engine work being required just out of warranty. Massive electrical problems. The E60 and E65 are disappearing rapidly as a result, and even early F01s and F10s are costing a fortune to put right.
Then there's the sheer confusion of BMW's model strategy. There's the X4, a kind of jacked-up 5-door 3-series coupé-hatch thing.
Then there's the 3-series GT, a kind of jacked-up 5-door coupé-hatch thing based on the same platform. Not quite as tall as an X4 (that's 115mm taller), still 80mm higher than a 3-series.
There's also the 4-series Gran Coupé, a kind of 5-door coupé-hatch thing based on the 3-series platform, and some 40mm lower than an F30.
Now, assuming we accept that there is an excuse for SUV coupés to exist (which I do not), one can just about understand the justification for making the X4 alongside the 4GC - there's a 234mm height difference, comparable to the 270mm between the E39 Touring and E53 X5. However, the X4 is just an X3 that's even uglier and loses out on the practicality which is the main selling point for these SUVs. Furthermore, how do they justify sandwiching a third 3-series-based hatchback into the middle of that gap? It's 119mm taller than the 4GC and 115mm shorter than the X4. Is anyone really going to notice the difference?! It's got to the point I can't even tell them apart visually any more without checking the badge (and no, my eyesight is fine!). X4 vs 4GC is easier, due to the greater height difference.
And, with the 2-door 6-series now discontinued, how do they justify two different variants of 4-door 6-series, the 6er Gran Coupé and 6er (formerly 5er) Gran Turismo hatch?
All this and now the X2 (which is also FWD). BMW is managing to beat even Audi at inventing microniches.
At some point, this insanity is going to bite them on the arse, hard. They need to stop whoring out the brand, focus on making their core range better to drive and less bloated and wilfully hideous in appearance, go back to what actually made BMWs worth buying.
Is anyone actually buying the 2-series Active Tourer? BMW entering the 5-seat mini-MPV market 15 years late, at the point everyone else is getting out of that game, seems bonkers. I've only ever seen a handful on the road, and this part of the country is BMW central.
My elder son recently opined to me that, having through a Kind Hearts and Coronets-style bloody ascent of the ladder, become CEO of BMW, he would issue a compulsory recall of almost everything BMW has made in the last 5 years and scrap the whole damn lot, just to purge the brand's history of such a vast number of abominations. I find it hard to disagree. It used to be that newer meant better, but it's just not true any more.
Actually, there's worse. The inventing of micro-niches has spawned something called X2, and it's even uglier.
Aside from the gopping grilles, how are you even supposed to see out of that?! I've been in WW2 pillboxes with better visibility than this!
As for reliability, every BMW independent I speak to tells me the same thing. BMW engineering quality has been in decline for years now. Major engine work being required just out of warranty. Massive electrical problems. The E60 and E65 are disappearing rapidly as a result, and even early F01s and F10s are costing a fortune to put right.
Then there's the sheer confusion of BMW's model strategy. There's the X4, a kind of jacked-up 5-door 3-series coupé-hatch thing.
Then there's the 3-series GT, a kind of jacked-up 5-door coupé-hatch thing based on the same platform. Not quite as tall as an X4 (that's 115mm taller), still 80mm higher than a 3-series.
There's also the 4-series Gran Coupé, a kind of 5-door coupé-hatch thing based on the 3-series platform, and some 40mm lower than an F30.
Now, assuming we accept that there is an excuse for SUV coupés to exist (which I do not), one can just about understand the justification for making the X4 alongside the 4GC - there's a 234mm height difference, comparable to the 270mm between the E39 Touring and E53 X5. However, the X4 is just an X3 that's even uglier and loses out on the practicality which is the main selling point for these SUVs. Furthermore, how do they justify sandwiching a third 3-series-based hatchback into the middle of that gap? It's 119mm taller than the 4GC and 115mm shorter than the X4. Is anyone really going to notice the difference?! It's got to the point I can't even tell them apart visually any more without checking the badge (and no, my eyesight is fine!). X4 vs 4GC is easier, due to the greater height difference.
And, with the 2-door 6-series now discontinued, how do they justify two different variants of 4-door 6-series, the 6er Gran Coupé and 6er (formerly 5er) Gran Turismo hatch?
All this and now the X2 (which is also FWD). BMW is managing to beat even Audi at inventing microniches.
At some point, this insanity is going to bite them on the arse, hard. They need to stop whoring out the brand, focus on making their core range better to drive and less bloated and wilfully hideous in appearance, go back to what actually made BMWs worth buying.
Is anyone actually buying the 2-series Active Tourer? BMW entering the 5-seat mini-MPV market 15 years late, at the point everyone else is getting out of that game, seems bonkers. I've only ever seen a handful on the road, and this part of the country is BMW central.
My elder son recently opined to me that, having through a Kind Hearts and Coronets-style bloody ascent of the ladder, become CEO of BMW, he would issue a compulsory recall of almost everything BMW has made in the last 5 years and scrap the whole damn lot, just to purge the brand's history of such a vast number of abominations. I find it hard to disagree. It used to be that newer meant better, but it's just not true any more.
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