BMW S1000RR Recall
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bass gt3 said:
Apparently a guy in the UK did four engines on the dyno in short order when running his racebike in. Not sure how true but it don't make good reading.
Two dyno shops near me have experienced this within the last month. 3 motors in total, 2 factory built and one a UK rebuild of one of the popped motors.If I ran one as a trackbike I'd only do it while still under warranty and put the road kit & tyres back on for a warranty claim.
podman said:
I read this a week or so ago but didnt post as it seemed pure speculation at the time...
http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=66788
Also a rather disturbing pic posted in the form the link was on...
""This is not "official", but I heard from a fairly reliable source that the robotic arm that performs the assembly of the connecting rods, was discovered out of torque spec during it's scheduled calibration routine. When or how it went out of spec is not known, so how many motors affected is not known presently. Apparently it was off by -30%, which is very atypical, typical drift is +/- a couple inch pounds over the course of the calibration cycle.
So in a nutshell they're possibly numerous motors floating around with 30% less torque values on the connecting rods. Again, this is not official, but the source is very reliable. None the less, this is not a difficult fix, and it is carried out by robots, not human "specialists". There is no mechanical defects or issues with regard to the bike, per say. It appears to be a process/manufacturing issue.""
http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=66788
Also a rather disturbing pic posted in the form the link was on...
""This is not "official", but I heard from a fairly reliable source that the robotic arm that performs the assembly of the connecting rods, was discovered out of torque spec during it's scheduled calibration routine. When or how it went out of spec is not known, so how many motors affected is not known presently. Apparently it was off by -30%, which is very atypical, typical drift is +/- a couple inch pounds over the course of the calibration cycle.
So in a nutshell they're possibly numerous motors floating around with 30% less torque values on the connecting rods. Again, this is not official, but the source is very reliable. None the less, this is not a difficult fix, and it is carried out by robots, not human "specialists". There is no mechanical defects or issues with regard to the bike, per say. It appears to be a process/manufacturing issue.""
There have been too many Engine failures Documented on S1000USAforum ....I have a secret hankering for one, albeit without all the Electronic bks
take a look on S1000UKforum, same issues but in smaller numbers
Edited by y2blade on Tuesday 24th April 19:58
moto_traxport said:
Two dyno shops near me have experienced this within the last month. 3 motors in total, 2 factory built and one a UK rebuild of one of the popped motors.
Thinking about it might be one and the same. Shop #2 was asked to run in a new racebike which is most boring / lengthy, get me coffee / earphones / jerry can and were puzzled to discover shop #1 had already mapped the bike. A few phone calls ensued revealing that the new engine was in fact a Bracknell rebuild.
I'm guessing someone (BMW UK or customer) had lost faith in shop #1. Shop #2 blows up the rebuilt motor. Not sure what actually went bang, problem is back with BMW, probably HQ rather than dealer.
Fleegle said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I'm pleased I stuck with Yamaha.
Know what you mean John. I can't believe people continue to buy the likes of BMW, Ducati and KTM that all seem to eat themselves.Feel free to add to this list if I've misse any
Fleegle said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I'm pleased I stuck with Yamaha.
Know what you mean John. I can't believe people continue to buy the likes of BMW, Ducati and KTM that all seem to eat themselves.Feel free to add to this list if I've misse any
3doorPete said:
But you two used to buy Yamaha 4 strokes in the days when they were oil burning, clutch frazzling, brake disc warping crappers so you can't judge!!
The only Yamaha's that I've had burn oil apart from 2 strokes was a ex Isle Of Man FZR 600 race bike.I've never had any warped disc's either. I did have clutch judder on my new 04 and 09 R1's that was due to too much grease added at the assembly stage apparently.
So, up yours Honda boy
Biker's Nemesis said:
3doorPete said:
But you two used to buy Yamaha 4 strokes in the days when they were oil burning, clutch frazzling, brake disc warping crappers so you can't judge!!
The only Yamaha's that I've had burn oil apart from 2 strokes was a ex Isle Of Man FZR 600 race bike.I've never had any warped disc's either. I did have clutch judder on my new 04 and 09 R1's that was due to too much grease added at the assembly stage apparently.
So, up yours Honda boy
Yours, Kawasaki boy
Biker's Nemesis said:
The only Yamaha's that I've had burn oil apart from 2 strokes was a ex Isle Of Man FZR 600 race bike.
I've never had any warped disc's either. I did have clutch judder on my new 04 and 09 R1's that was due to too much grease added at the assembly stage apparently.
So, up yours Honda boy
I've owned all the Jap stuff and ironically the only two bikes that have let me down in an AA type get-me-home have been a Firestorm and a CBR600. Both from the middle of Wales and both times en-Route to Oulton.I've never had any warped disc's either. I did have clutch judder on my new 04 and 09 R1's that was due to too much grease added at the assembly stage apparently.
So, up yours Honda boy
BMW's irritating 'see if the crank and rods hold together' running in rev limit actually stops you running the rings in correctly which puts me off straightaway.
A friend of mine is competing in the motogrande and was at snetterton at the weekend. Apparently a competitor got a call on his mobile telling him not to race his RR because of this particular recall. He completed race 1 anyway and all was good, balls of steel I'd say, I would have parked the bugger up. A locked back wheel is the last thing you need at 150mph.
Apparently the bugger also won the rookie class!
Apparently the bugger also won the rookie class!
3doorPete said:
You sound just like one of those Ducati boys telling people they've done 80 thousand trouble free miles on them I used to ride with a lot of guys with Exups in the 90s and they all burned oil, FZR400s, 600s and 1000s all the same. You could smell it and sometimes see it when you followed them and these were generally 2 to 5 year old bikes. My mate Ned with a '91 1000 Exup went through 3 sets of front discs under warranty and had real trouble with Yamaha honouring it (although he was proper quick). As for FZR600 clutches....
Yours, Kawasaki boy
Mine were all new apart from the 600 race bike.Yours, Kawasaki boy
I knew people who had YZF 750's that warped disc's and they were as slow as a slow thing. I don't know why I don't break things mechanically but I don't. Maybe its to do with my background and how I was taught. I also always listened to what more experienced riders told me when I was young.
Its only now I don't take any notice of the vast majority of people as generally I do know best.
<smug>
<touches wood>
willis1337 said:
From BMW USA facebook profile:
"BMW has issued a delivery hold and is recalling 1,414 2012 model year BMW S1000 RR motorcycles to inspect and correct a potential problem with loosening of the connecting rod bolts. As a result of a manufacturing process error, the bolts could loosen and fall out. If this happens, the engine may fail, seize, and/or leak oil. Approximately 900 of the affected motorcycles are still in BMW or dealer inventory and will be inspected and corrected prior to customer delivery. Owners of potentially affected motorcycles will be notified by mail in May advising them to bring their motorcycles to an authorized BMW Motorcycle dealer to have the recall performed. The connecting rod bolts will be replaced and installed with a thread locking agent."
Do a google search under discussions and there's loads of info. If I had one of these bikes I'd be contacting dealer asap to see if it needs sorting.
it is NOT just 2012 bikes!!!!"BMW has issued a delivery hold and is recalling 1,414 2012 model year BMW S1000 RR motorcycles to inspect and correct a potential problem with loosening of the connecting rod bolts. As a result of a manufacturing process error, the bolts could loosen and fall out. If this happens, the engine may fail, seize, and/or leak oil. Approximately 900 of the affected motorcycles are still in BMW or dealer inventory and will be inspected and corrected prior to customer delivery. Owners of potentially affected motorcycles will be notified by mail in May advising them to bring their motorcycles to an authorized BMW Motorcycle dealer to have the recall performed. The connecting rod bolts will be replaced and installed with a thread locking agent."
Do a google search under discussions and there's loads of info. If I had one of these bikes I'd be contacting dealer asap to see if it needs sorting.
quote from S1000RROWNERSFORUM:
I,ve got a red and white that was built in september 2011 and mine is affected if that makes you feel better!
Another quote:
I have been reading about the recall due to crank bolts on the S1000RR and felt that I should share with you my problem with my bike and see what any of you might have to say on the matter.
I bought a brand new S1K 2011 model this year in the UK, I ran it in properly, I had it serviced at 605 miles, I did another 140 miles opening it up a bit more before I raced it against my old bike a GSXR 1000 K6, on the 4th run over less than a mile it shot a rod through the front of my engine covering both my tyres with oil and leaving a massive cloud of smoke behind me.
I will try to upload a photo of this to go with this message.
I contacted BMW emergency response the next working day and they came and picked it up, they took it to the workshop for Park lane motorrad and the next day I had a gentleman on the phone checking where and when it was serviced and saying they will order me a new engine that day.
Just over two weeks later they rang up to say the engine was in and they would fit it tomorrow but the next day they rang to say that BMW wanted the engine to be modified before it could be fitted but wouldn't say what the mod was. A few days later still very concerned I rang the dealer to ask about the mod and still got no joy so I ended up Phoning BMW UK to find out what it was and register my unhappiness about having my new engine worked on. Three days later they rang back and said they will now order me another engine from Germany that doesn't require the mod, so I will probably have to wait another two weeks at least for it to come.
Also I wouldn't be quite so sure about the dates of the afected bikes as mine was made in April 2011.
Edit: to add second quote
Edited by y2blade on Wednesday 25th April 10:08
I really do feel for the owners of the S1000RR, I spent alot of money buying a new K1300S last June and would be going mad if this was happening to me. I was attracted to BMW due to the dealer support and warranty, as well as a image (to me) of making decent, above average, machines. I appreciate that small things do go wrong (like handlebar switches etc) and provided these are fixed under the warranty with minimum fuss, I can live with that.
This is a major fk up. I would be looking at getting a few affected people together and sending a letter from a solicitor to BMW asking for new engine to be fitted without any delay. What about if you had a tour booked in early May, I certainly wouldn't be embarking on that with this issue.
I really hope you guys get your bikes sorted.
This is a major fk up. I would be looking at getting a few affected people together and sending a letter from a solicitor to BMW asking for new engine to be fitted without any delay. What about if you had a tour booked in early May, I certainly wouldn't be embarking on that with this issue.
I really hope you guys get your bikes sorted.
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