R1 or Fireblade
Discussion
legzr1 said:
Twist things all you like, the truth is out there.
What's your thoughts on ZX10, R1 and Blade in 2004 flavours?
Same year, same category, all totally different.
ZX10 was a haedbanging nutjobWhat's your thoughts on ZX10, R1 and Blade in 2004 flavours?
Same year, same category, all totally different.
R1 was ace, as I had one
Blade was boring
However, all were just as quick as each other, weighed near as dammit the same and did everything just as well on the road, which is my point.
Gavia said:
ZX10 was a haedbanging nutjob
R1 was ace, as I had one
Blade was boring
However, all were just as quick as each other, weighed near as dammit the same and did everything just as well on the road, which is my point.
Sorry, thought your point was they're all the same and you can't tell a difference.R1 was ace, as I had one
Blade was boring
However, all were just as quick as each other, weighed near as dammit the same and did everything just as well on the road, which is my point.
Now it's near as damnit the same with a few proviso's.
ZX10 had s
t brakes - 2017 R1 gear would have been an improvement they were that bad.legzr1 said:
Sounds like someone's spunked a wedge on a carbon clad R1 and won't accept that it's not the pinnacle of superbike design in every department.
I bought One too and I am extremely happy with it in every way.The brakes: Mine feel great, my MT10's feel great with excellent initial bite, they both felt crap at first but after a few good runs both bikes brakes feel great to me especially the Mt10's.
I took the EBC's out of my R1 and re fitted the standard pads a couple of weeks back and to tell the truth I couldn't tell the difference.
As regards the original question R1 or Fireblade I would try and get a test ride on both, asking questions such as this on a forum its hard to tell whos opinion is worth listing too. (me included)
Biker's Nemesis said:
I bought One too and I am extremely happy with it in every way.
The brakes: Mine feel great, my MT10's feel great with excellent initial bite, they both felt crap at first but after a few good runs both bikes brakes feel great to me especially the Mt10's.
I took the EBC's out of my R1 and re fitted the standard pads a couple of weeks back and to tell the truth I couldn't tell the difference.
As regards the original question R1 or Fireblade I would try and get a test ride on both, asking questions such as this on a forum its hard to tell whos opinion is worth listing too. (me included)
Aye, go on, ruin it all with first hand experience of the brakes on two different bikes The brakes: Mine feel great, my MT10's feel great with excellent initial bite, they both felt crap at first but after a few good runs both bikes brakes feel great to me especially the Mt10's.
I took the EBC's out of my R1 and re fitted the standard pads a couple of weeks back and to tell the truth I couldn't tell the difference.
As regards the original question R1 or Fireblade I would try and get a test ride on both, asking questions such as this on a forum its hard to tell whos opinion is worth listing too. (me included)
I was told to give the pads a chance on the 2015 model and they did improve a little but I was never happy with them.
Dunno, perhaps I spoilt it all with Brembo kit on previous bikes.
Why'd you take the EBC pads out?
Gavia said:
I don't find anything offensive about it, I just doubt it needs the modifications.
The name changes, but nothing else, eh?For what it's worth - and I've not tracked mine or even gone much over the the speed limit on it - R1 Dave is bang on; the throttle response is pretty crap and I really don't like it (I went for a blat round the Trough of Bowland and ended up leaving it in mode D (rain)) and the brakes don't feel anything like as good as my previous MV F4 or previous 2008 R1. They're probably better, but they don't feel like it to my laymans senses.
I'm always suspicious of remapping in any form but I'd be interested to try one that's been changed, not for performance gains but just to sort that snatchy response out. It's that or let my style adapt to it (currently only done 550 miles).
That aside the rest of it is mental and I'd not swap it for a Fireblade for anything else. It's the dogs bolleaux.
legzr1 said:
Aye, go on, ruin it all with first hand experience of the brakes on two different bikes
I was told to give the pads a chance on the 2015 model and they did improve a little but I was never happy with them.
Dunno, perhaps I spoilt it all with Brembo kit on previous bikes.
Why'd you take the EBC pads out?
I swapped them just to see if there was any difference and like I said I couldn't tell. I can't remember if they felt "any better" than the Brembo callipers and M/C set up I had on my Fireblade, I do remember that the Fireblades uprated brakes did feel good at the time.I was told to give the pads a chance on the 2015 model and they did improve a little but I was never happy with them.
Dunno, perhaps I spoilt it all with Brembo kit on previous bikes.
Why'd you take the EBC pads out?
The MT10s brakes are quite savage on the initial bite now which they were not when I first started riding it.
The worst thing about the R1 is indeed the throttle response, I was having a right old mare with it at Donington getting back on the throttle out of the Melbourne loop.
A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
Biker's Nemesis said:
The worst thing about the R1 is indeed the throttle response, I was having a right old mare with it at Donington getting back on the throttle out of the Melbourne loop.
A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
This seems to be a Yamaha thing. Certainly the R1 and MT09 I rode seemed to have such a snatchy throttle on the first few degrees. I heard they'd smoothed it out on the updated version of the MT09, but I'm yet to ride one. A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
Biker's Nemesis said:
I swapped them just to see if there was any difference and like I said I couldn't tell. I can't remember if they felt "any better" than the Brembo callipers and M/C set up I had on my Fireblade, I do remember that the Fireblades uprated brakes did feel good at the time.
The MT10s brakes are quite savage on the initial bite now which they were not when I first started riding it.
The worst thing about the R1 is indeed the throttle response, I was having a right old mare with it at Donington getting back on the throttle out of the Melbourne loop.
A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
Reflashing seems the way to go but I'm worried about the effect on warranty.The MT10s brakes are quite savage on the initial bite now which they were not when I first started riding it.
The worst thing about the R1 is indeed the throttle response, I was having a right old mare with it at Donington getting back on the throttle out of the Melbourne loop.
A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
Some stories appearing about snapped valve springs recently and I'd hate to think Yamaha would use it as a get out clause.
Re ABS - are you talking about 'running on' for yards after a few laps of no problems then, boom, no brakes! ?
Waiting on Brembo SC pads - hopefully they'll cure the slight issue I have with the standard stuff.
legzr1 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I swapped them just to see if there was any difference and like I said I couldn't tell. I can't remember if they felt "any better" than the Brembo callipers and M/C set up I had on my Fireblade, I do remember that the Fireblades uprated brakes did feel good at the time.
The MT10s brakes are quite savage on the initial bite now which they were not when I first started riding it.
The worst thing about the R1 is indeed the throttle response, I was having a right old mare with it at Donington getting back on the throttle out of the Melbourne loop.
A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
Reflashing seems the way to go but I'm worried about the effect on warranty.The MT10s brakes are quite savage on the initial bite now which they were not when I first started riding it.
The worst thing about the R1 is indeed the throttle response, I was having a right old mare with it at Donington getting back on the throttle out of the Melbourne loop.
A mate who tracks his 2016 R1 has had his ECU re-flashed and says the difference is night and day, around £250 IIRC.
If I keep mine I will have the ECU re-flashed and maybe the ABS disconnected as I have heard some horror stories from racers and an ex Factory Yamaha 500GP crew chief.
Some stories appearing about snapped valve springs recently and I'd hate to think Yamaha would use it as a get out clause.
Re ABS - are you talking about 'running on' for yards after a few laps of no problems then, boom, no brakes! ?
Waiting on Brembo SC pads - hopefully they'll cure the slight issue I have with the standard stuff.
R1 Dave said:
I waited until the 2 year warranty was practically expired before flashing mine. I bought the bike side harness so that I can flash it back to standard if needed or add other features in the future. I'd never flashed a bike before, never felt the need, but it makes a big difference to the R1.
Is that a generic map rather than a custom one then? Like getting a Power Commander and downloading a map from their website rather than taking it on the dyno
cmaguire said:
R1 Dave said:
I waited until the 2 year warranty was practically expired before flashing mine. I bought the bike side harness so that I can flash it back to standard if needed or add other features in the future. I'd never flashed a bike before, never felt the need, but it makes a big difference to the R1.
Is that a generic map rather than a custom one then? Like getting a Power Commander and downloading a map from their website rather than taking it on the dyno
R1 Dave said:
Yes, initially I just downloaded the FTEcu 'Unrestricted' map and disabled a load of bits like the Air Intake System, EXUP vale, Throttle Cut Off and Throttle Retardation which is largely for emissions reasons and to save the cat (which ive removed). It was a vast improvement but I have since added the ActiveTune kit which makes changes to the map in real time to achieve a target Air/Fuel Ratio. It makes it even better again, smoother and gives a cleaner power delivery, it really is very good. I ran it in 'logging' mode yesterday where you get to view the recommended adjustments after a ride and it was overfuelling quite a bit through the mid range which explains the pops, bangs and flames. You then have the opportunity to save those recommendations to a custom fuel map. I'd like to red line the bike in each gear to log the adjustments but that'll require a dyno run. For now i'm happy with it in Live Correction mode. Check out Velox Racing, anything you need to know is explained on there
Only fuel correction? No ignition?R1 Dave said:
I waited until the 2 year warranty was practically expired before flashing mine. I bought the bike side harness so that I can flash it back to standard if needed or add other features in the future. I'd never flashed a bike before, never felt the need, but it makes a big difference to the R1.
Ah, makes sense.cmaguire said:
R1 Dave said:
Yes, initially I just downloaded the FTEcu 'Unrestricted' map and disabled a load of bits like the Air Intake System, EXUP vale, Throttle Cut Off and Throttle Retardation which is largely for emissions reasons and to save the cat (which ive removed). It was a vast improvement but I have since added the ActiveTune kit which makes changes to the map in real time to achieve a target Air/Fuel Ratio. It makes it even better again, smoother and gives a cleaner power delivery, it really is very good. I ran it in 'logging' mode yesterday where you get to view the recommended adjustments after a ride and it was overfuelling quite a bit through the mid range which explains the pops, bangs and flames. You then have the opportunity to save those recommendations to a custom fuel map. I'd like to red line the bike in each gear to log the adjustments but that'll require a dyno run. For now i'm happy with it in Live Correction mode. Check out Velox Racing, anything you need to know is explained on there
Only fuel correction? No ignition?Copied from their website;
This Kit lets your FTECU equipped bike tune itself as you ride!
Once installed and activated, the ActiveTune kit monitors the fuel mixture making fast and consistent changes to mitigate changing fuel requirements.
Our breakthrough system replaces your inadequate stock O2 sensor with a proprietary FTECU lambda controller and the latest generation Bosch LSU 4.9 sensor.
R1 Dave said:
Don't think so, though I'm no expert.
Copied from their website;
This Kit lets your FTECU equipped bike tune itself as you ride!
Once installed and activated, the ActiveTune kit monitors the fuel mixture making fast and consistent changes to mitigate changing fuel requirements.
Our breakthrough system replaces your inadequate stock O2 sensor with a proprietary FTECU lambda controller and the latest generation Bosch LSU 4.9 sensor.
Effectively the same as Autotune on a Power Commander. So you replace the narrowband standard lambda sensor with the wideband FTECu one and the feedback from that is used to 'learn' the fuelling module. Copied from their website;
This Kit lets your FTECU equipped bike tune itself as you ride!
Once installed and activated, the ActiveTune kit monitors the fuel mixture making fast and consistent changes to mitigate changing fuel requirements.
Our breakthrough system replaces your inadequate stock O2 sensor with a proprietary FTECU lambda controller and the latest generation Bosch LSU 4.9 sensor.
What is the tickover like without the catalytic converter? Both bikes with fuel injection that I have removed the converters on, one then mapped with a Power Commander on a dyno for fuel only and the other mapped ecu for fuel and ignition on the dyno, have hunted at tickover which I believe to be a result of the lack of back pressure and the ecu's inability to deal with it. Carbed bikes never had a problem with unrestricted pipes.
legzr1 said:
Reflashing seems the way to go but I'm worried about the effect on warranty.
Some stories appearing about snapped valve springs recently and I'd hate to think Yamaha would use it as a get out clause.
Re ABS - are you talking about 'running on' for yards after a few laps of no problems then, boom, no brakes! ?
Waiting on Brembo SC pads - hopefully they'll cure the slight issue I have with the standard stuff.
I swapped out my oem Brembo pads for SA compound on my tuono factory. They faded like a mofo on track and were inconsistent on the road for me although I've come to realise some of this is due to all the abs pipework Some stories appearing about snapped valve springs recently and I'd hate to think Yamaha would use it as a get out clause.
Re ABS - are you talking about 'running on' for yards after a few laps of no problems then, boom, no brakes! ?
Waiting on Brembo SC pads - hopefully they'll cure the slight issue I have with the standard stuff.
My last road bike an mv dragster had an amazing feeling front brake, zero fade and great power but crap abs that came in way too early
I never realised how much difference just a set of pads could make... I stupidly fitted SA at Almeria on the track bike and did this after two days, so simply put get the right ones for the job!
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