RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX/RS: PH2

RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX/RS: PH2

Wednesday 21st June 2017

2017 Honda CB1100EX/RS: PH2

Honda's air-cooled retro gets revised for 2017, with a sporty new sibling too



When it comes to two-wheeled icons, they don't get much bigger or more respected than Honda's CB750. In 1969, the CB750 announced Honda's arrival onto the world scene as a large capacity motorcycle manufacturer and effectively killed off the British motorcycle industry. Although to be fair, it was more of a mercy killing than anything else as by this point the British bike industry was a joke. Considering this history, and the market's current lust for heritage and retro, it seems amazing that the CB1100EX, which has been around since 2013, has been a relative flop. It has all the elements to make it a success - a large capacity air-cooled engine, retro styling, heritage - but in a role reversal to the 1970s, it is British firm Triumph that is succeeding in the sales charts where Honda is flagging well behind. Could this be set to change in 2017 with the arrival of an updated CB1100EX and a brand new sporty CB1100RS?

Gold forks mark out the RS
Gold forks mark out the RS
New tech, classic feel
When it comes to the CB1100EX, which is the more classically styled CB model, the changes are fairly minimal. This bike has been steadily evolving over the years and before the 2017 update already had 18-inch spoke wheels and a six-speed gearbox; however this year sees it gain a redesigned 17-litre tank, slipper clutch, a few styling tweaks and revised Showa Dual Banding Valve forks. Not exactly radical alterations, more a natural and expected evolution. The excitement for 2017, however, comes in the form of the brand new sportier CB1100RS. Or does it? To be honest I was pretty excited when I heard about the RS before it was unveiled as I was imagining a retro bike boasting modern chassis components like the excellent Triumph Thruxton R - with the RS, however, this isn't really the case. While you get chunky 17-inch wheels and radial brakes, the 43mm Showa forks aren't inverted (plus they're only preload adjustable) and the twin Showa piggyback dampers are also only adjustable in spring preload - the rest is essentially identical to the EX.

That said, the swing-arm is aluminium (it's steel on the EX) and the chassis has very slightly altered geometry to make it more agile, so maybe I was being too harsh. Would the ride win me over? Well, kind of. Here is the odd thing: when it comes to Honda's 2017 CB models, one bowled me over, the other didn't. And not in the order you would necessarily expect...

EX really rather pleasant...
EX really rather pleasant...
A hit and a miss
It's been a while since I rode the CB1100EX and for some reason I don't remember it that favourably; however the new model makes me regret what I've been missing out on for the last few years! This is a retro done in a typically Honda fashion, it's extremely accomplished and rides beautifully. The refined and smooth inline four motor may not quite have the raw spirit of the boxer in the BMW R nineT models, but it has just enough character to stop it being dull and is far more engaging than the Bonneville's lackluster HT parallel twin. Honda actually went out of its way to design in some spirit and as well as ensuring it pings in that wonderful air-cooled fashion while cooling down after a ride, it has a slightly off-beat note through altered valve timing on cylinders one and two compared to three and four as well as a new exhaust for 2017 purely to make it sound better. It's a lovely engine to use, packed full of smooth torque and suits the relaxed nature of the EX perfectly, making this bike a great option for sunny Sunday rides. The handling, which again I don't remember as being that good, is really impressive and the new Showa forks deliver a plush ride that is considerably better than the Bonneville's and more than up for a spirited ride when the straights give way to bends. All in all riding the EX ended up being a really lovely experience, something I hadn't predicted, and this gave me high hopes for the sportier RS. Sadly, where the EX exceeded my expectations, the RS failed to match them...

... RS quite disappointing by comparison
... RS quite disappointing by comparison
Visually the RS promises much. It may lack inverted forks, but the chunky conventional ones are quite beefy and it has the all-important 17-inch wheels with wide, grippy rubber. But once you start to attack bends the RS disappoints as it feels as if the chassis and 17-inch wheels are fighting one another. Despite Honda taking one-degree of rake and 5mm of wheelbase off the RS - as well as reducing the trail by 15mm - the front end feels sluggish to turn and it's nowhere near as sporty or agile as the competition. A Thruxton or R nineT would destroy the RS in bends and sadly the Honda quite quickly starts to feel its chunky 252kg weight.

I expected so much more in terms of handling, especially as the opposition have set the bar so high, but the RS failed to deliver and left me disappointed.

One on the money, one leaves you short-changed
The modern retro market is fiercely competitive and you really need to produce a good bike to stand out in this crowded field, which is exactly what Honda has done with the EX. It feels a thoroughly developed and refined machine that has improved over the years. If you are after a relaxed retro with a slice of heritage, the EX is the best of the bunch and certainly better than the Bonnie. It's not as aggressive or sharp handling as the R nineT Pure or Roadster, but they are aimed at a slightly different buyer and Honda's offering was always going to be the more chilled option compared to the aggressive BMW. However while the EX is a hit, for me the RS is a miss.

New EX a worthwhile addition to retro line up
New EX a worthwhile addition to retro line up
When you call a bike a cafe racer and add radial brakes and 17-inch wheels you need to back up this claim with thoroughly modern handling, which is exactly what Triumph does with the Thruxton and BMW with the R nineT Racer and Roadster. Sadly, the RS doesn't have the handling to match the competition and I can't help but feel it is a bike that has had its sporty side unwillingly forced upon it. Honda has attempted to take the lazy option and bolt on a few sporty bits to the standard EX and call it a cafe racer, which simply doesn't cut the mustard in this market. Modern retros need to surprise with their handling and punch above their weight, which the RS doesn't do.

For me Honda needs to go back to the drawing board and arm the RS with inverted forks, fully adjustable suspension, more agility and more power too. Failing that, just build the stunning flat track prototype they showed at Milan and ignore the cafe racer market entirely; that bike would sell like hot cakes where the RS will always struggle.


2017 HONDA CB1100RS/EX
Engine
: 1,140cc inline four, air-cooled, 16v
Power (hp): 89@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 67@5,500rpm
Top speed: 140mph (est.)
Weight: 252kg (255kg) (wet)
MPG: 50 (est.)
Price: £11,139 (£10,765)

Figures in brackets for CB1100EX

 

 

 

 

 

Author
Discussion

Evilex

Original Poster:

512 posts

104 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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When I were a lad, a CBX with an 1100cc (OK, 1047cc ) air-cooled lump across its frame had 50% more cylinders!

GingerNinja

3,961 posts

258 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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I wish they'd build this one:



itcaptainslow

3,699 posts

136 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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I've ordered one of these (the RS) after a very enjoyable test ride a couple of weeks ago. Switching from a VFR800 which I felt was just too much on the sporting side of sports tourer for my tastes, brilliant bike though it is. The VFR demands a more committed riding style and feels top heavy (V4 to thank for that) compared to the RS.

No doubt the VFR's outright pace and cornering ability are superior but the RS made me grin much more-the retro styling, the plusher suspension, more comfortable riding position and just the way it made me feel is what sealed the deal for me.

Mac Sinclair

39 posts

91 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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Somehow it lacks the soul of the 750s I remember roaring around the south of France in the early 70s. It would be better if it weighed in at under 210kgs perhaps with a smaller engine.

Loyly

17,995 posts

159 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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They may be a reasonable ride but they don't have the looks of the R nine T or the Bonneville/Thruxton, and that is surely the most important factor in this market. I suppose they won't cost too much to update, so keeping them in the range is relatively easy for Honda.

poo at Paul's

14,142 posts

175 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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GingerNinja said:
I wish they'd build this one:


Surely they would sell lots of them? Why not make it?

myvision

1,941 posts

136 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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GingerNinja said:
I wish they'd build this one:


That's far better.

Ed Straker

221 posts

143 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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For me, the CB should be apeing the CB900 - probably the best UJM ever made.
The RS should be a new CB1100R

Honda have so much heritage to draw upon, yet they seem to be getting EVERYTHING wrong at the moment.

DJP

1,198 posts

179 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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Small, slow, heavy, expensive.

Can't think why they don't sell!

rev-erend

21,407 posts

284 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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myvision said:
GingerNinja said:
I wish they'd build this one:


That's far better.
Niceee..

I'd but that.

itcaptainslow

3,699 posts

136 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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Picked it up yesterday and I love it. Took it to the pub last night and got lots of positive comments! Obviously not ridden it hard yet but initial impressions are positive-it responds well to a smooth riding style and holds a line beautifully through a corner. Suspension is nice and pliant so it isn't upset by mid corner bumps-it's a bit of a heave to get it to change direction from left to right in a S bend but it's probably partially me riding it like the VFR and needing to get to know the bike a little more.

Most importantly I'm grinning like mad when riding and really didn't want to get off when I got home last night!

It's certainly not a bike for someone with taste in sports/super bikes but if you like riding at 7/10ths and are a sucker for retro stuff it's well worth a look. Naturally, being a Honda it's beautifully finished.

Super service from the dealer (Norton Way) too; if only all dealerships (I'm looking at a particular southern Lotus dealer when I say this!) were this good. Can't recommend them enough.

cycle tramp

68 posts

141 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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I've also just picked up a new 1100RS in black which joins my pig of an 1199 in the garage.

I'm really pleased with it, it looks magnificent and is beautifully finished. The handling is perfectly acceptable although it does need to muscled around to get it to turn but I'm enjoying that and it reminds me of how big bikes used to be back in the day.

I know looks are subjective, but for me it looks spot on and better than some of the other retro type bikes out there. Its not a slow bike either and considering how heavy it is the brakes are pretty good too.

It makes a change to have an owners manual which is all about the actual bike and not 75% about the menus, sub menus and all the other electronic stuff.

Very happy with mine and I can see me using this far more than I have the 1199.

itcaptainslow

3,699 posts

136 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Well, a month and 500 miles in and I love it!

Bought a lovely Dainese leather jacket and Kevlar jeans to compliment the retro, laid back image-as a happy coincidence these keep me a lot cooler on the bike in hot weather, so I'm more comfortable and this ride it more. A trip to the Norfolk coast last week (90 miles each way) was most enjoyable-the bike cruises happily at 70-80mph, the vibes are reducing as it completes running in and once you get more comfortable with how it handles, you can really push on should you so desire.

However, it's best at 7/10ths, sweeping along fast, curving A roads, keeping things smooth and creating a nice flow. Fine by me-that's the sort of riding I enjoy best-I'm not good enough nor brave enough to be a knee down superbike merchant, I just love the feeling of riding.

Downsides to the CB? The luggage capacity is non-existent and it takes a long time to clean all the various crevices around the engine/frame to keep it pretty.

rev-erend

21,407 posts

284 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Get some ACF50 spray on the exposed metal parts..

itcaptainslow

3,699 posts

136 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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It only gets ridden in the dry and won't see salty roads-still worth doing? I ACF50'd up my VFR but didn't see the need with this one if it's going to be mollycoddled a fair bit more.

rev-erend

21,407 posts

284 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Air cooled bikes have more nooks and crannies for corrosion to get into.

Yep. Still worth it.