5 bike thefts overnight in Acid attacks.
Discussion
creampuff said:
^ Bulls
t. Half of my family comes from a poor, high crime, developing country. They had the bad upbringing which you are making excuses for. They, along with the large majority of their neighbours, have the same lack of sympathy for violent thugs that I have. Some people get born with not much. Some choose to profit themselves by hurting others, some don't. A lack of resources provides the temptation, it does not make the crime happen. You are just making excuses for these s. They have chosen their life. There is no heroic get out of the ghetto story - most people when faced with hardship, will not commit violent crime.
It isn't about hardship, or poverty.t. Half of my family comes from a poor, high crime, developing country. They had the bad upbringing which you are making excuses for. They, along with the large majority of their neighbours, have the same lack of sympathy for violent thugs that I have. Some people get born with not much. Some choose to profit themselves by hurting others, some don't. A lack of resources provides the temptation, it does not make the crime happen. You are just making excuses for these s. They have chosen their life. There is no heroic get out of the ghetto story - most people when faced with hardship, will not commit violent crime. It is about upbringing in terms of Parents and other family. Are you a parent? as if you are you will know how much work goes into moulding a childs behaviour by you.
Whilst a work of fiction, I recommend you watch a film like the classic Boyz n the hood as it may demonstrate it easier for you. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101507/
Edited by hyphen on Monday 17th July 12:15
creampuff said:
^ Bullst. Half of my family comes from a poor, high crime, developing country. They had the bad upbringing which you are making excuses for. They, along with the large majority of their neighbours, have the same lack of sympathy for violent thugs that I have. Some people get born with not much. Some choose to profit themselves by hurting others, some don't. A lack of resources provides the temptation, it does not make the crime happen. You are just making excuses for these s. They have chosen their life. There is no heroic get out of the ghetto story - most people when faced with hardship, will not commit violent crime.
I'm not making excuses for anyone, just pointing out that it's a nature and nurture argument. We all make choices, but they are driven by what we are and where we come from, so the moral high ground comes only by chance. If you think there is more to what you are than that, please share your thoughts.t. Half of my family comes from a poor, high crime, developing country. They had the bad upbringing which you are making excuses for. They, along with the large majority of their neighbours, have the same lack of sympathy for violent thugs that I have. Some people get born with not much. Some choose to profit themselves by hurting others, some don't. A lack of resources provides the temptation, it does not make the crime happen. You are just making excuses for these s. They have chosen their life. There is no heroic get out of the ghetto story - most people when faced with hardship, will not commit violent crime. You're not presenting any argument to the point with your anecotes. Your family/friends/whomever, simply did not have the same circumstances as those who went out and became criminals, just potentially similar ones.
Now you can understand or accept that, or you can't, that's entirely your choice, but it will go on being true whatever you think.
hyphen said:
It isn't about hardship, or poverty.
It is about upbringing in terms of Parents and other family. Are you a parent? as if you are you will know how much work goes into moulding a childs behaviour by you.
Whilst a work of fiction, I recommend you watch a film like the classic Boyz n the hood as it may demonstrate it easier for you. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101507/
When the argument is that a given upbringing of a child will ALWAYS produce the same adult result, I think The Boys From Brazil might be more relevant...It is about upbringing in terms of Parents and other family. Are you a parent? as if you are you will know how much work goes into moulding a childs behaviour by you.
Whilst a work of fiction, I recommend you watch a film like the classic Boyz n the hood as it may demonstrate it easier for you. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101507/
So this is upbringing?
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/fi...
They had no choice in the matter, they just had to get on a moped with a knife, slash someone in the face and rob them. The knife wielding crooks on mopeds slashing people walking down the street are the real victims here, discarded by an uncaring society. I don't think so.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/fi...
They had no choice in the matter, they just had to get on a moped with a knife, slash someone in the face and rob them. The knife wielding crooks on mopeds slashing people walking down the street are the real victims here, discarded by an uncaring society. I don't think so.
> Now you can understand or accept that, or you can't, that's entirely your choice, but it will go on being true whatever you think.
You speak as if this were a fact, when it is only your opinion.
If a particular environment always produces the same result (violent criminal, gifted doctor, legendary porn star, whatever) then humanities problems are solved. We can environmentally engineer whatever we want. Except it obviously isn't like that, because people have free will and can choose to commit a violent crime or choose not to. The worst environment can produce the best, while the best parents can produce a useless no-hoper or a thug.
You speak as if this were a fact, when it is only your opinion.
If a particular environment always produces the same result (violent criminal, gifted doctor, legendary porn star, whatever) then humanities problems are solved. We can environmentally engineer whatever we want. Except it obviously isn't like that, because people have free will and can choose to commit a violent crime or choose not to. The worst environment can produce the best, while the best parents can produce a useless no-hoper or a thug.
anonymous said:
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Are you always paranoid?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4706174/Ho...
freddytin said:
Pothole said:
I'm very happy for you all. My request stands.
Hope I'm not being too presumptuous, but I think Prof was referring to under utilisation of resources such as CCTV ....Especially as the London area has more cameras than the whole of Scotland ( may not be entirely true ). I would argue the fact the vehicle type in this particular instance is pretty consistent, then I would have thought something like number plate recognition and real time flagging for certain makes/models would be appropriate. Especially if someone could skip through the images looking for the two-up ones with a tool bag. Seems a f
king obvious thing to do to me but in all honesty what do I know?The bottom line is we know approximately where these people are based, what their agenda is, what they are looking for, and what they look like. We also do in all honesty have a reasonably competent police force. So clearly the reason they're not caught is it's not being prioritised sufficiently to do so. Which is why I maintain we may actually be coming to a point where the police are forced to put this further up their agenda. I heard there was another slashing from a scooter mugging last night, Daniel Radcliffe allegedly was one of those who went to their aid ("Muggles"?).
I wouldn't jump for joy because of reprioritising with the police though, with limited resource it means that other crimes will be dealt with. It's great not having your bike robbed, but not so much if when you get home you find the front door has been kicked in.
Not bike theft related but this is sickening ...
http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/news/news_releas...
There is clearly something very wrong in certain sections of our society at the moment.
http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/news/news_releas...
There is clearly something very wrong in certain sections of our society at the moment.
Prof Prolapse said:
creampuff said:
Choosing to hurt people is exactly that: a choice. I cannot say why a person from a poor or good area chooses to commit violent crime any more than I can say why they take tea with or without sugar.
It's an irrefutable truth, that if you were born with their body, and had lived their life, you'd have made exactly the same choices.It's only our good luck to be born this side of the tracks. It's nothing to pat yourself on the back about, or define individuals as lower forms of life.
The outrage on this thread have been hijacked by some right wing morons who are using this issue to stir up much of the same sensationalist hate they always spout. Please go f
k yourselves. I may be liberal and live an let live kind of person, it doesn't mean we will take you vile s
t any more. Just as it doesn't mean I excuse crime or criminals.1. These types of crime need to be stopped and we all agree on this.
2. Understanding someone's disadvantages in up bringing or societal position doesn't absolve them of committing crime or being punished. I haven't read this being suggested by Prof or anyone else.
3. Many believe the police are ineffective and need to catch these people with co-ordinated sting operations and more effective investigation and apprehending these criminals. They are simply not doing this and if they are then need to tell us they are on the flipping case! If they can't do this then they need to say also!
4. Blaming one politician is pretty f
king lazy. Who by all accounts is speaking out about this issue (even though we may not agree with the suggestions). What about holding the government to account? You know the Brexiters leading the charge? What about all the MP's not talking about this issue?5. No one thinks beating s
t out of someone who is trying to steal you bike is bad thing. Why go on about it.. if someone tries to steal your bike and you want to kick their arse or disfigure them... then get to it Mr Bronson. Don't tell us about how you scared of being prosecuted. I'm a Londoner.. we have to fight growing up in this city, its not new. Make a call when it happens can you do something? Is it worth it? Or is it better to let the b
ds take it? It all depends on circumstances. 10 years ago I was raring to go... now I'm up for defending myself and my property but don't want to be stabbed or killed for some replaceable st.Most of you on Biker Banter are a good sort... lets not the hate preachers take this over.
Seems appropriate place to leave this:
https://www.facebook.com/1578861555/videos/vb.1578...
Poor sod they attempted to take his scooter with force.. london lot be on the look out - 2 up riding a clear pointer to be wary of in most cases.
https://www.facebook.com/1578861555/videos/vb.1578...
Poor sod they attempted to take his scooter with force.. london lot be on the look out - 2 up riding a clear pointer to be wary of in most cases.
> 5. No one thinks beating st out of someone who is trying to steal you bike is bad thing. Why go on about it.. if someone tries to steal your bike and you want to kick their arse or disfigure them... then get to it Mr Bronson. Don't tell us about how you scared of being prosecuted.
Eh? Reasonable force in self defence is lawful. Beating someone up as a punishment for trying to steal something is not lawful. If you go beyond self defence, you can expect to be prosecuted, that's the way it works. The only way you won't be prosecuted is if it does not come to police attention, presumably as the police aren't there to start with and the person you have just beat up isn't inclined to involve the police.
Eh? Reasonable force in self defence is lawful. Beating someone up as a punishment for trying to steal something is not lawful. If you go beyond self defence, you can expect to be prosecuted, that's the way it works. The only way you won't be prosecuted is if it does not come to police attention, presumably as the police aren't there to start with and the person you have just beat up isn't inclined to involve the police.
I'm not really sure what sort of crime takes priority over attempted murder?
Having witnessed first-hand this weekend the sort of criminal activity being shown here, albeit a little further North, Waltham Cross and Enfield, I struggle to understand the authorities apparent total lack of commitment.
However, hats off to the local Lassie who took on and beat the thieving scum at their own game ..Even though he was a tooled up 6 ' 3'' Jamaican with his angry head on... Well done you
Having witnessed first-hand this weekend the sort of criminal activity being shown here, albeit a little further North, Waltham Cross and Enfield, I struggle to understand the authorities apparent total lack of commitment.
However, hats off to the local Lassie who took on and beat the thieving scum at their own game ..Even though he was a tooled up 6 ' 3'' Jamaican with his angry head on... Well done you
Renn Sport said:
I have to agree with Prof on the point in this point. Its easy to be dismissive, however when it comes to violent crimes the perpetrators should be caught and punished.
The outrage on this thread have been hijacked by some right wing morons who are using this issue to stir up much of the same sensationalist hate they always spout. Please go fk yourselves.
I may be liberal and live an let live kind of person, it doesn't mean we will take you vile st any more. Just as it doesn't mean I excuse crime or criminals.
1. These types of crime need to be stopped and we all agree on this.
2. Understanding someone's disadvantages in up bringing or societal position doesn't absolve them of committing crime or being punished. I haven't read this being suggested by Prof or anyone else.
3. Many believe the police are ineffective and need to catch these people with co-ordinated sting operations and more effective investigation and apprehending these criminals. They are simply not doing this and if they are then need to tell us they are on the flipping case! If they can't do this then they need to say also!
4. Blaming one politician is pretty fking lazy. Who by all accounts is speaking out about this issue (even though we may not agree with the suggestions). What about holding the government to account? You know the Brexiters leading the charge? What about all the MP's not talking about this issue?
5. No one thinks beating st out of someone who is trying to steal you bike is bad thing. Why go on about it.. if someone tries to steal your bike and you want to kick their arse or disfigure them... then get to it Mr Bronson. Don't tell us about how you scared of being prosecuted.
I'm a Londoner.. we have to fight growing up in this city, its not new. Make a call when it happens can you do something? Is it worth it? Or is it better to let the bds take it? It all depends on circumstances. 10 years ago I was raring to go... now I'm up for defending myself and my property but don't want to be stabbed or killed for some replaceable st.
Most of you on Biker Banter are a good sort... lets not the hate preachers take this over.
That was quite a reasonable reply until you fThe outrage on this thread have been hijacked by some right wing morons who are using this issue to stir up much of the same sensationalist hate they always spout. Please go f
k yourselves. I may be liberal and live an let live kind of person, it doesn't mean we will take you vile s
t any more. Just as it doesn't mean I excuse crime or criminals.1. These types of crime need to be stopped and we all agree on this.
2. Understanding someone's disadvantages in up bringing or societal position doesn't absolve them of committing crime or being punished. I haven't read this being suggested by Prof or anyone else.
3. Many believe the police are ineffective and need to catch these people with co-ordinated sting operations and more effective investigation and apprehending these criminals. They are simply not doing this and if they are then need to tell us they are on the flipping case! If they can't do this then they need to say also!
4. Blaming one politician is pretty f
king lazy. Who by all accounts is speaking out about this issue (even though we may not agree with the suggestions). What about holding the government to account? You know the Brexiters leading the charge? What about all the MP's not talking about this issue?5. No one thinks beating s
t out of someone who is trying to steal you bike is bad thing. Why go on about it.. if someone tries to steal your bike and you want to kick their arse or disfigure them... then get to it Mr Bronson. Don't tell us about how you scared of being prosecuted. I'm a Londoner.. we have to fight growing up in this city, its not new. Make a call when it happens can you do something? Is it worth it? Or is it better to let the b
ds take it? It all depends on circumstances. 10 years ago I was raring to go... now I'm up for defending myself and my property but don't want to be stabbed or killed for some replaceable st.Most of you on Biker Banter are a good sort... lets not the hate preachers take this over.
ked it all up by bringing Brexit into it 
Oh dear how sad nevermind, he is swimming wiv the angels now
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenage-moped...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenage-moped...
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