5 bike thefts overnight in Acid attacks.
Discussion
I recently saw 2 scrotes on a scooter that was obviously nicked (hazards and alarm gave it away)
They were on the opposite side of the road to me, less than 300m from my house. I beeped my horn and gave the rider a long hard stare as they were hoiking the bike up the pavement to ride through a pedestrianised beauty spot. I decided I would head the little
s off, but by the time a gap in the traffic had allowed me to turn around and shoot round the corner, the sts had long gone.
Again, no internet or real life hard man, but I'm one of many that have worked hard all my life to buy the things I want and feel very strongly about theft. I'm not sure what I would have done if I'd have been quick enough to catch them, but adrenaline is a very powerful drug.
They were on the opposite side of the road to me, less than 300m from my house. I beeped my horn and gave the rider a long hard stare as they were hoiking the bike up the pavement to ride through a pedestrianised beauty spot. I decided I would head the little
s off, but by the time a gap in the traffic had allowed me to turn around and shoot round the corner, the sts had long gone.Again, no internet or real life hard man, but I'm one of many that have worked hard all my life to buy the things I want and feel very strongly about theft. I'm not sure what I would have done if I'd have been quick enough to catch them, but adrenaline is a very powerful drug.
Is it a bit of a jump to consider these as acts of terrorism?
Was just asking myself... is the general public (i.e. not specific individual targets) at risk of or already actually being harmed by these attacks? Yes.
Are the public, or a particular segment of the public - fearful of living their normal lives as a result of the actions of the perpetrators? Yes
Are the public having to adapt the way they go about their daily lives as a result of their actions? Arguably, yes.
Perhaps considering them as acts of terrorism might move the goalposts more favourably. Bit of a leap though, I know...
Was just asking myself... is the general public (i.e. not specific individual targets) at risk of or already actually being harmed by these attacks? Yes.
Are the public, or a particular segment of the public - fearful of living their normal lives as a result of the actions of the perpetrators? Yes
Are the public having to adapt the way they go about their daily lives as a result of their actions? Arguably, yes.
Perhaps considering them as acts of terrorism might move the goalposts more favourably. Bit of a leap though, I know...
aeropilot said:
Prof Prolapse said:
As for Diane Abbott, well, her career is clearly circling the drain.
People said that about her back in the early 1980's when she was best buddies with Bernie Grant in Brent Council.....30 years later I'm still waiting for her to disappear down said drain......
InitialDave said:
Might get them shot, which would be a net benefit to society as a whole.
It is rather ironic that in Britain, people go on about how great it is to have low levels of firearm prevalence, like the UK sets the world's moral compass on keeping guns under control. Yet there is endemic knife crime and now crime with people throwing acid as well as high levels of non-fatal violent crime and petty theft. Not that I'm suggesting private citizens arming themselves to carry out vigilante action, but the UK does tend to fixate on things, like guns, decide they are bad and then ignore everything else so that now we have gangs of moped criminals, teenages with knives etc running unchecked. sjtscott said:
Moulder said:
This may be true, but to many who do not ride the motorbike attacks/thefts will be seen as happening to an anti-social and largely lawless section of society that has no impact on them.
If the attacks have a more local application to car drivers then they are more likely to jump up and down about it, with the increased numbers the greater possibility that something could actually be done.
I like your thinking but take exception to the statement on 'anti-social and largely lawless section of society', I'll initially give you the benefit of the doubt you worded it poorly and are not roping me and other fully law abiding legally held fully noise compliant safe bike riders in this statement. If the attacks have a more local application to car drivers then they are more likely to jump up and down about it, with the increased numbers the greater possibility that something could actually be done.
The main point was, if these attacks start to happen on areas of society where they can empathise more easily or have a frame of reference then it is more likely they will take action, and by virtue of numbers something may actually happen.
Edited by Moulder on Thursday 20th July 14:38
creampuff said:
It is rather ironic that in Britain, people go on about how great it is to have low levels of firearm prevalence, like the UK sets the world's moral compass on keeping guns under control. Yet there is endemic knife crime and now crime with people throwing acid as well as high levels of non-fatal violent crime and petty theft.
Not me. I like firearms, and do not agree with the level to which they are restricted here.creampuff said:
InitialDave said:
Might get them shot, which would be a net benefit to society as a whole.
It is rather ironic that in Britain, people go on about how great it is to have low levels of firearm prevalence, like the UK sets the world's moral compass on keeping guns under control. Yet there is endemic knife crime and now crime with people throwing acid as well as high levels of non-fatal violent crime and petty theft. Not that I'm suggesting private citizens arming themselves to carry out vigilante action, but the UK does tend to fixate on things, like guns, decide they are bad and then ignore everything else so that now we have gangs of moped criminals, teenages with knives etc running unchecked. Are you also trying to suggest that wider gun ownership might lead to lower levels of crime? Not sure you'll get any mileage from that, either.
Pothole said:
Tenuous, unproven cause and effect.
Are you also trying to suggest that wider gun ownership might lead to lower levels of crime? Not sure you'll get any mileage from that, either.
No, I'm just pointing out that many people in the UK like to go on about how great it is because there aren't many guns and how great it is that most police don't carry guns and feel some moral superiority over other countries with armed police...... but then let a domestic situation arise where large numbers of teenagers are armed with knives, where they regularly kill each other, where moped criminals can operate almost at free will, where violent crime is up 20% in only a year, where the country beats places which get laughed at, like the US, in the number of violent assaults and now where acid is a weapon of choice. Are you also trying to suggest that wider gun ownership might lead to lower levels of crime? Not sure you'll get any mileage from that, either.
Meanwhile this sort of crime would be unthinkable in most other countries. See my other thread where bikers in Sydney just leave their bikes parked in the street all day long with no security and nobody steals them.
sjtscott said:
Ok not good but sorry thats a bit of a non event compared to the bike/scooter one I posted earlier no-one commented on. Where they physically assulted the guy and it took members of the public to help him.
So the guy stuck a knife through his open window - ok its simple the car has AC. Keep the doors locked and windows up. Surprised the driver didn't move off as soon as the car in front did.
sadly putting your window up isn't a solution when they are prepared to launch a brick through it.So the guy stuck a knife through his open window - ok its simple the car has AC. Keep the doors locked and windows up. Surprised the driver didn't move off as soon as the car in front did.
https://youtu.be/jKFD8Ax7bNs
I get the point the other poster is trying to make - the wider the demographic under threat of attack the more pressure gets applied for action.
The best defence bikers can take is doing even a basic set of krav maga classes. It's not about being an internet hardman, but it was developed by the Israelis as a highly defensive way to disarm and incapaciate an armed attacker regardless of your personal size and strength, it's taught to most SF including our SAS - i'm not suggesting you go berserk but it's one of the best self-defence disciplines you can learn and even a basic competency will deal with most teenage scrotes who learn their combat skills playing GTA5...
https://youtu.be/3RCLq5vtC44
Luckily I always carry my photo kit including a handy manfrotto monopod, which is not at all to be used to beat bike jackers around their person and purely to ensure I get a steady shot m'lud.
Edited by nyxster on Thursday 20th July 19:04
Edited by nyxster on Thursday 20th July 19:06
Daytona motorcycles Ruislip had H2 nicked 0.50am, alarms going off, not a quick job. How could police not find them? They had to scoot off being pushed. How could they disappear? Useless police service I'm afraid.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Daytona_mc/status/88766...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Daytona_mc/status/88766...
CoolHands said:
Daytona motorcycles Ruislip had H2 nicked 0.50am, alarms going off, not a quick job. How could police not find them? They had to scoot off being pushed. How could they disappear? Useless police service I'm afraid.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Daytona_mc/status/88766...
The was less than a minute & half.https://mobile.twitter.com/Daytona_mc/status/88766...
Do you really think there will be available Police less than two minutes away from every point at 00.50?
CoolHands said:
Not shown was the unknown few minutes required to force shutters up, door open etc. I know that general area and my point is also how would three scooters plus a pushed bike disappear. What about all the cctv cameras. Police helicopter?
Did they perhaps have a van down a side road to place the stolen bikes in?CCTV doesn't cover every residential street.
A Police helicopter that may have to get airborne from Essex or Surrey or might already be airborne doing something else?
At 00.50 most of Hillingdon's officers will already be likely tasked/dealing with stuff & going from job to job. If there is somebody who isn't they are just as likely to be in West Drayton as drifting around Ruislip Manor.
It's just unrealistic to expect that they can be available everywhere in a couple of minutes notice & they're crap if they can't be. Great if they can from time of call arrive in under 2 minutes, but it's not likely.
aeropilot said:
CoolHands said:
Useless police service I'm afraid.
And who is it that has politicised, castrated and crippled the Police Forces in the UK over the last 30 years.....
creampuff said:
There are more people in the UK than a few years ago and there are less police than a few years ago. Remember when Theresa May was Home Secretary and cut police budgets, while saying it would not make any difference to the quality of policing? Hands up if you believed her.
But the people won't vote to pay higher tax, so what is the solution?CoolHands said:
Cops & robbers.
I don't need to know the details of what they were doing, it's their job to stop robbers. If they ain't doing it, they're not doing good enough.
And you think it's a realistic expectation for them to catch every burglar in the act within 2 minutes of them being alerted to a burglary taking place?I don't need to know the details of what they were doing, it's their job to stop robbers. If they ain't doing it, they're not doing good enough.
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