5 bike thefts overnight in Acid attacks.

[CoolHands]

The severity of the crime warrants it. They're not shop lifting sweets are they. If they're not catching them, then by definition they are useless as they are not useful at the thing they should be doing.

[vonhosen]

CoolHands said:

The severity of the crime warrants it. They're not shop lifting sweets are they. If they're not catching them, then by definition they are useless as they are not useful at the thing they should be doing.

It would require some sort of clairvoyance though to be within two minutes travelling time of every burglary before it was carried out so that they could be caught in the act at the time of it, that & far more resources than they have.
You couldn't realistically expect that kind of response for even more serious crimes such as murder.

Your response is an emotional knee jerk one, not a considered logical one.

[bgunn]

CoolHands said:

The severity of the crime warrants it. They're not shop lifting sweets are they. If they're not catching them, then by definition they are useless as they are not useful at the thing they should be doing.

Bear in mind the response time for the police at a crime of the highest level, the London Bridge attack. This is in a very densely populated and policed area of the country.

Your statements are unrealistic unless you have a ratio of policing to Joe public of 1:2 or something!

[sjtscott]

gavgavgav said:

sjtscott said:

Moulder said:

This may be true, but to many who do not ride the motorbike attacks/thefts will be seen as happening to an anti-social and largely lawless section of society that has no impact on them.

If the attacks have a more local application to car drivers then they are more likely to jump up and down about it, with the increased numbers the greater possibility that something could actually be done.

I like your thinking but take exception to the statement on 'anti-social and largely lawless section of society', I'll initially give you the benefit of the doubt you worded it poorly and are not roping me and other fully law abiding legally held fully noise compliant safe bike riders in this statement.

Sadly the majority of car drivers will remain unaffected as they'll only target the highend nice stuff which most people can't afford. My old 2003 Leon Cupra had self locking doors above 5mph and climate control so the windows always stayed up - its really would be a non event to have a youth 2 up on a scooter asking me in a traffic queue to hand over my car at knifepoint.
I do ride a nice bike on the otherhand so am already on the lookout daily for the two up tts there really is NO comparison to driving a car where you can be safely locked inside.

I disagree with your point, you have to see the bigger issue here.

Its' not about nice cars or if you have your windows up, the issue is that there is a part of this society who live by different values and have a perception of different rules. They do what THEY like, they choose the reason for attacking & be sure it will be something petty like you look rich, something 'random' wearing a hat or simply you look weaker then they are, they will open your closed window with a brick, hammer or whatever else they are carrying, they are not afraid of you or any consequence that may follow. They hunt in packs, they don't give a sh*t.

Solving this won't be simple. I do wonder is this is the next generation who don't give a sh*t about society since the 100's who were jailed from the riots in 2011. Whatever has been in place to solve that (or lack of) since then hasn't worked for these clowns

LOL @ preaching to someone whos lived in East London for 17 years - thanks mate I had ZERO clue.
Wealth and poverty sit back to back where I live. See the bigger picture? its shoved in my face daily. I mean there are those that see nice stuff, stuff people have studied hard for, worked for earned and think I can't be arsed to do that myself I'm gonna just take it - with almost no chance of being stopped.
Maybe I see things differently being directly exposed to stuff constantly, none of it is acceptable but its all down to personal risk to you and your family and what could happen to you when you have little to no chance of being helped. Basically the policing in London is in effect non existent for a large level of crime so you have to help yourself to attempt to not become a victim.

BTW I'm agreeing with you just to make it clear! I see an obvious solution but that one the gov doesn't share since they keep cutting police spending.

[clive_candy]

hyphen said:

But the people won't vote to pay higher tax, so what is the solution?

Amen brother.

[Fleegle]

clive_candy said:

hyphen said:

But the people won't vote to pay higher tax, so what is the solution?

Amen brother.

The Tories keep tax low, Labour want to spend money they don't have. Both a shower of shyte when it comes to reality so which way do we turn for the road to Utopia?

[sjtscott]

nyxster said:

sadly putting your window up isn't a solution when they are prepared to launch a brick through it.

https://youtu.be/jKFD8Ax7bNs

I get the point the other poster is trying to make - the wider the demographic under threat of attack the more pressure gets applied for action.

The best defence bikers can take is doing even a basic set of krav maga classes. It's not about being an internet hardman, but it was developed by the Israelis as a highly defensive way to disarm and incapaciate an armed attacker regardless of your personal size and strength, it's taught to most SF including our SAS - i'm not suggesting you go berserk but it's one of the best self-defence disciplines you can learn and even a basic competency will deal with most teenage scrotes who learn their combat skills playing GTA5...

https://youtu.be/3RCLq5vtC44

Luckily I always carry my photo kit including a handy manfrotto monopod, which is not at all to be used to beat bike jackers around their person and purely to ensure I get a steady shot m'lud.

Edited by nyxster on Thursday 20th July 19:04

Edited by nyxster on Thursday 20th July 19:06

Really I do get the point the other poster was making and don't need it pointing out. More people know and take offence to the unacceptable behaviour higher likelyhood of something happening - but it won't - maybe cos I'm a realist and dumped currently directly in the crap zone living in East London and working in Central London. I'm leaving next year btw!

I purposely keep and drive a stty old car in London - this is nothing to do with not having the money for a nice car. It sits unused most of the week but it reliable and Japanese so starts and runs when required. Its not given a seconds notice in and around London, I can park it anywhere. It goes just as fast as the 100k plus supercars in London lol
My money my choice. I'll have a nice car when I leave London.

As I said in another post its about personal risk being in the middle of it - I'm potentially at risk on my nice bike this is what I'm concerned about.

[998420]

hyphen said:

A rapper. White people love him.

Radio 1 has more of a love-in with Stormzy than Radio 1xtra, its very strange.

But yet, the stabbing gang, and most of the acid throwing scum are not

[Dazed and Confused]

CoolHands said:

Daytona motorcycles Ruislip had H2 nicked 0.50am, alarms going off, not a quick job. How could police not find them? They had to scoot off being pushed. How could they disappear? Useless police service I'm afraid.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Daytona_mc/status/88766...

Do you really think the police should be prioritising bike theft? Hardly their fault they are so easy to steal and they can't do "everything". Having had a scooter stolen and also my house broken into while I slept upstairs, car taken along with a stload of other stuff, I know which I'd have preferred they'd stopped

[Prof Prolapse]

Dazed and Confused said:

Do you really think the police should be prioritising bike theft? Hardly their fault they are so easy to steal and they can't do "everything". Having had a scooter stolen and also my house broken into while I slept upstairs, car taken along with a stload of other stuff, I know which I'd have preferred they'd stopped

I think the question is 'did they stop either'?

[Dazed and Confused]

Prof Prolapse said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Do you really think the police should be prioritising bike theft? Hardly their fault they are so easy to steal and they can't do "everything". Having had a scooter stolen and also my house broken into while I slept upstairs, car taken along with a stload of other stuff, I know which I'd have preferred they'd stopped

I think the question is 'did they stop either'?

No, but I know which one I'd want them to prioritise.

[Cadaver]

Dazed and Confused said:

Prof Prolapse said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Do you really think the police should be prioritising bike theft? Hardly their fault they are so easy to steal and they can't do "everything". Having had a scooter stolen and also my house broken into while I slept upstairs, car taken along with a stload of other stuff, I know which I'd have preferred they'd stopped

I think the question is 'did they stop either'?

No, but I know which one I'd want them to prioritise.

However, one could be the gateway to the other? Surely thieves "graduate" as they get contacts, experience and bravery. Stopping motorbike theft would be part of the whole process. A lot of crimes seem to be having yoofs on stolen peds as a contributing factor, especially as the police are less keen to follow a bike from the scene of the crime. I wouldn't say it's one or the other, they could be related.

[LiamB]

CoolHands said:

Daytona motorcycles Ruislip had H2 nicked 0.50am, alarms going off, not a quick job. How could police not find them? They had to scoot off being pushed. How could they disappear? Useless police service I'm afraid.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Daytona_mc/status/88766...

Shame to see that happen to Daytona, they're the ones that used to fix all my broken bikes and are a lovely bunch in there.

Police got to that incident 30 seconds after the scrotes had got away, I was actually in a pub down the road and heard the bikes go by so I don't think they had a van to get away either, probably went to Harefield where most stolen bikes seem to end up.

Ruislip has turned into a proper scumhole recently

[Pothole]

998420 said:

hyphen said:

A rapper. White people love him.

Radio 1 has more of a love-in with Stormzy than Radio 1xtra, its very strange.

But yet, the stabbing gang, and most of the acid throwing scum are not

Are not which? Stormzy? Rappers? White? Radio 1? Radio 1xtra? Very strange?

[GM182]

nyxster said:

The best defence bikers can take is doing even a basic set of krav maga classes. It's not about being an internet hardman, but it was developed by the Israelis as a highly defensive way to disarm and incapaciate an armed attacker regardless of your personal size and strength, it's taught to most SF including our SAS - i'm not suggesting you go berserk but it's one of the best self-defence disciplines you can learn and even a basic competency will deal with most teenage scrotes who learn their combat skills playing GTA5...

https://youtu.be/3RCLq5vtC44

Edited by nyxster on Thursday 20th July 19:04

Edited by nyxster on Thursday 20th July 19:06

Those Krav Maga videos are quite instructional. Might look into it as a mate has been taking a few classes.

Not sure how useful they'll be when bimbling home after a long day a work and get a hammer wielding scrote swinging at me though. Think I'd just drop bike/scooter and run away.

[nyxster]

sjtscott said:

Really I do get the point the other poster was making and don't need it pointing out. More people know and take offence to the unacceptable behaviour higher likelyhood of something happening - but it won't - maybe cos I'm a realist and dumped currently directly in the crap zone living in East London and working in Central London. I'm leaving next year btw!

I purposely keep and drive a stty old car in London - this is nothing to do with not having the money for a nice car. It sits unused most of the week but it reliable and Japanese so starts and runs when required. Its not given a seconds notice in and around London, I can park it anywhere. It goes just as fast as the 100k plus supercars in London lol
My money my choice. I'll have a nice car when I leave London.

As I said in another post its about personal risk being in the middle of it - I'm potentially at risk on my nice bike this is what I'm concerned about.

I feel your pain, i really do - I've just been offered a 6 figure job in the west end which would mean commuting in again, but currently living up on the border of the lakes where I can ride anything I want without a care in the world I'm really not game for it.

I lived in Southwark, Bermondsey, Camden, Notting Hill, Clapham and Fulham over the years and never known street crime as bad as this. I sa a stat that said bike related crime was something like 345 incidents 10 years ago and it literally went through the roof as soon as the met banned pursuits.

[gavgavgav]

sjtscott said:

LOL @ preaching to someone whos lived in East London for 17 years - thanks mate I had ZERO clue.
Wealth and poverty sit back to back where I live. See the bigger picture? its shoved in my face daily. I mean there are those that see nice stuff, stuff people have studied hard for, worked for earned and think I can't be arsed to do that myself I'm gonna just take it - with almost no chance of being stopped.
Maybe I see things differently being directly exposed to stuff constantly, none of it is acceptable but its all down to personal risk to you and your family and what could happen to you when you have little to no chance of being helped. Basically the policing in London is in effect non existent for a large level of crime so you have to help yourself to attempt to not become a victim.

BTW I'm agreeing with you just to make it clear! I see an obvious solution but that one the gov doesn't share since they keep cutting police spending.

Fair enough I was really just picking on the point about just drive a old car & keep windows closed.

Coincidently I probably commute in similar areas to you and regularly see the stolen maxi scooter lot blasting about, and more worrying small groups of mixed bikes (mainly 125's and 600's) barging through looking for trouble. Very recently there is a noticeable rise in police vehicles driving about, not sure how effective that is but hopefully it will make a difference.

[hyphen]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/22/mo...

[Ed.]

hyphen said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/22/mo...

From article :

Yet according to the Motorcycle Crime Reduction Group, a cross-industry body which advises the Home Office, few riders bother. The MCRG conducted a survey of the security of 193 two-wheelers parked in London earlier this year. Just over half – 50.4% – of scooters were parked without any locks at all. Of those with a chain or lock, only 15% were attached to a metal ground anchor point.

Kevin Howells, the chairman of the MCRG, said they were “shocked” by the results. “In some parking bays you’ve got 30 bikes taking up those spaces and no one’s locked their bike to the street furniture,” he said. “It’s easy pickings. Maybe there should be some legislation so that people are penalised. If you’re not going to lock your bike up, that one crime could result in 10 more crimes up the road.”

Nice to see an insular bureaucrat blaming the victims for theft. While I think bikes should be locked up the prevalence of angle grinders does limit there effectiveness.
I trust every bay will be fitted with suitable ground anchors and cctv immediately.