Helmet cam catches rider crash
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moanthebairns said:
If you want to practice counter steering push your trolley in Asda.
If you still don't get it or think you don't get it ride a f
king segway. I was head over my arse within seconds of going on one then again and again as it steers like a car but has bars. Trying to ride one as quickly as you can is the most unnatural thing for a biker.
Or even better, a quad bike!If you still don't get it or think you don't get it ride a f
king segway. I was head over my arse within seconds of going on one then again and again as it steers like a car but has bars. Trying to ride one as quickly as you can is the most unnatural thing for a biker. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to ride one for the first 15mins and almost shot up over a dune in Sharm the wrong way whilst old ladies and teenage girls would bumble along and make me look like the retard on a quad (my excuses didn't fly that countersteering was an instinct).
It's like learning write to with the opposite hand when you have handle-bars and need to steer like a car.
I’ve not read all the crap on counter steering over the last few pages so apologies if I’m repeating what’s already been said.
While a number of people like to point out that everyone has to use counter steering or their bike would never have managed a corner above about 5mph, we need to distinguish between “doing counter steering” and understanding about counter steering. There is a big difference between generally making a bike corner and understanding that actively pushing the “wrong bar” will make the bike turn faster and harder. Many inexperienced riders and even a number of experienced riders either don’t know about or don’t consciously use counter steering techniques.
I think it would be nice if those who do understand and actively use such techniques resisted any temptation to belittle those not aware of the techniques, especially inexperienced riders, and, instead, offer advice, support and encouragement in the correct approach to better cornering techniques.
While a number of people like to point out that everyone has to use counter steering or their bike would never have managed a corner above about 5mph, we need to distinguish between “doing counter steering” and understanding about counter steering. There is a big difference between generally making a bike corner and understanding that actively pushing the “wrong bar” will make the bike turn faster and harder. Many inexperienced riders and even a number of experienced riders either don’t know about or don’t consciously use counter steering techniques.
I think it would be nice if those who do understand and actively use such techniques resisted any temptation to belittle those not aware of the techniques, especially inexperienced riders, and, instead, offer advice, support and encouragement in the correct approach to better cornering techniques.
black-k1 said:
I’ve not read all the crap on counter steering over the last few pages so apologies if I’m repeating what’s already been said.
While a number of people like to point out that everyone has to use counter steering or their bike would never have managed a corner above about 5mph, we need to distinguish between “doing counter steering” and understanding about counter steering. There is a big difference between generally making a bike corner and understanding that actively pushing the “wrong bar” will make the bike turn faster and harder. Many inexperienced riders and even a number of experienced riders either don’t know about or don’t consciously use counter steering techniques.
I think it would be nice if those who do understand and actively use such techniques resisted any temptation to belittle those not aware of the techniques, especially inexperienced riders, and, instead, offer advice, support and encouragement in the correct approach to better cornering techniques.
Nobody is denying countersteering. However what we are saying is that the second video, which the poster purports to be a demonstration of poor use of countersteering is anything but. It is a video of a bike that’s completely out of control with a rider fighting the bars to try to regain control, not him making conscious (and incorrect) bar inputs. While a number of people like to point out that everyone has to use counter steering or their bike would never have managed a corner above about 5mph, we need to distinguish between “doing counter steering” and understanding about counter steering. There is a big difference between generally making a bike corner and understanding that actively pushing the “wrong bar” will make the bike turn faster and harder. Many inexperienced riders and even a number of experienced riders either don’t know about or don’t consciously use counter steering techniques.
I think it would be nice if those who do understand and actively use such techniques resisted any temptation to belittle those not aware of the techniques, especially inexperienced riders, and, instead, offer advice, support and encouragement in the correct approach to better cornering techniques.
Gavia said:
Have you seen the video that Berty3000 is using to demonstrate countersteering? I’m quite happy that countersteering is a thing and how it works, but the video that’s purporting to demonstrate it is ridiculous. I’m also pretty certain that we all do it all the time when we’re riding, albeit some consciously, some subconsciously. Equally some do it more emphatically than others.
I did, I agree that's not countersteering. That's panicking and locking up. My comment was in response to tvrolet and his idea that you don't need to know you are doing it. I got much faster once I understood how to steer a bike properly. No one taught me initially, so I would ride a bike by going where I looked. Unfortunately that meant I had a few target fixation crashes. Once I learnt about counter steering, I was much more confident in placing the bike on track, and went faster because of it. So some people need to understand it, and that's fine,
MDL111 said:
crofty1984 said:
Reminds me of that guy in the 90s who filmed himself doing enthusiastic speeds in a Ferrari F40 then sold it on VHS.
I remember that - in Japan wasn’t it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169173/
https://vimeo.com/34039780
Stared at a tree at the weekend when enduro riding, hit said tree pretty fast & hard. Was down to target fixation, otherwise i would have been fine.
Countersteering is real - so is looking where you want to go.
Just ordered a new bike. Win win.. apart from a very hurty shoulder right now.
Countersteering is real - so is looking where you want to go.
Just ordered a new bike. Win win.. apart from a very hurty shoulder right now.
As a relatively new rider undergoing additional training with the IAM I was given this document which explains the physics behind it. The PDF file is here:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
It is fairly intuitive agreed, I haven't been in situation where instinct kicks in and messes everything up but understanding why it is so is useful.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
It is fairly intuitive agreed, I haven't been in situation where instinct kicks in and messes everything up but understanding why it is so is useful.
ash reynolds said:
As a relatively new rider undergoing additional training with the IAM I was given this document which explains the physics behind it. The PDF file is here:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
It is fairly intuitive agreed, I haven't been in situation where instinct kicks in and messes everything up but understanding why it is so is useful.
Ah the IAM, "A motorcycle is a precision instrument and an effective riding technique will make you play like Eric Clapton”https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
It is fairly intuitive agreed, I haven't been in situation where instinct kicks in and messes everything up but understanding why it is so is useful.
... And they wonder why they're often considered a shower of tossers who like the sound of their own voices.
BobSaunders said:
Stared at a tree at the weekend when enduro riding, hit said tree pretty fast & hard. Was down to target fixation, otherwise i would have been fine.
Countersteering is real - so is looking where you want to go.
Countersteering is real - so is looking where you want to go.
I nearly hit the central reservation on the M25 a while back - for some reason I target fixated on part of a flyover structure. Really scary & weird experience.Just about had the same thing happen to me in that first video, long straight(I thought) road I'd been along thousands of times but, at speed there was actually the slightest kink to the right you'd never notice.
Just pushed the right grip and leaned over and focused on the road I was sure I was about to leave!
This was a little encounter I had when I had my Hayabusa, if you've ever had one you'll know people try it on, one out of a hundred times I took the bait, long quiet country road, 1000hp yellow skyline flashes me and travels at same speed beside me?
First time I ever had the throttle back to the stop. Luckily I had sat an advanced driving course, and as mentioned briefly earlier by someone it's amazing how quick things pop into your head to get you out the shiit!I came to this part of the road and this kink just caught me out!
Other advance driving thing was looking in house window reflections on a blind corner to see what's coming, genuinely stopped me from plowing head first into an articulated lorry one day, as car was parked on my side really near the corner, if I had committed the overtake it was all but over!
Just pushed the right grip and leaned over and focused on the road I was sure I was about to leave!
This was a little encounter I had when I had my Hayabusa, if you've ever had one you'll know people try it on, one out of a hundred times I took the bait, long quiet country road, 1000hp yellow skyline flashes me and travels at same speed beside me?
First time I ever had the throttle back to the stop. Luckily I had sat an advanced driving course, and as mentioned briefly earlier by someone it's amazing how quick things pop into your head to get you out the shiit!I came to this part of the road and this kink just caught me out!
Other advance driving thing was looking in house window reflections on a blind corner to see what's coming, genuinely stopped me from plowing head first into an articulated lorry one day, as car was parked on my side really near the corner, if I had committed the overtake it was all but over!
robbocop33 said:
Just about had the same thing happen to me in that first video, long straight(I thought) road I'd been along thousands of times but, at speed there was actually the slightest kink to the right you'd never notice.
Just pushed the right grip and leaned over and focused on the road I was sure I was about to leave!
This was a little encounter I had when I had my Hayabusa, if you've ever had one you'll know people try it on, one out of a hundred times I took the bait, long quiet country road, 1000hp yellow skyline flashes me and travels at same speed beside me?
First time I ever had the throttle back to the stop. Luckily I had sat an advanced driving course, and as mentioned briefly earlier by someone it's amazing how quick things pop into your head to get you out the shiit!I came to this part of the road and this kink just caught me out!
Other advance driving thing was looking in house window reflections on a blind corner to see what's coming, genuinely stopped me from plowing head first into an articulated lorry one day, as car was parked on my side really near the corner, if I had committed the overtake it was all but over!
Well, did you beat the Skyline?Just pushed the right grip and leaned over and focused on the road I was sure I was about to leave!
This was a little encounter I had when I had my Hayabusa, if you've ever had one you'll know people try it on, one out of a hundred times I took the bait, long quiet country road, 1000hp yellow skyline flashes me and travels at same speed beside me?
First time I ever had the throttle back to the stop. Luckily I had sat an advanced driving course, and as mentioned briefly earlier by someone it's amazing how quick things pop into your head to get you out the shiit!I came to this part of the road and this kink just caught me out!
Other advance driving thing was looking in house window reflections on a blind corner to see what's coming, genuinely stopped me from plowing head first into an articulated lorry one day, as car was parked on my side really near the corner, if I had committed the overtake it was all but over!
robbocop33 said:
Just about had the same thing happen to me in that first video, long straight(I thought) road I'd been along thousands of times but, at speed there was actually the slightest kink to the right you'd never notice.
Just pushed the right grip and leaned over and focused on the road I was sure I was about to leave!
This was a little encounter I had when I had my Hayabusa, if you've ever had one you'll know people try it on, one out of a hundred times I took the bait, long quiet country road, 1000hp yellow skyline flashes me and travels at same speed beside me?
First time I ever had the throttle back to the stop. Luckily I had sat an advanced driving course, and as mentioned briefly earlier by someone it's amazing how quick things pop into your head to get you out the shiit!I came to this part of the road and this kink just caught me out!
Other advance driving thing was looking in house window reflections on a blind corner to see what's coming, genuinely stopped me from plowing head first into an articulated lorry one day, as car was parked on my side really near the corner, if I had committed the overtake it was all but over!
We have a 1000 bhp Skyline at work, its pretty fast.Just pushed the right grip and leaned over and focused on the road I was sure I was about to leave!
This was a little encounter I had when I had my Hayabusa, if you've ever had one you'll know people try it on, one out of a hundred times I took the bait, long quiet country road, 1000hp yellow skyline flashes me and travels at same speed beside me?
First time I ever had the throttle back to the stop. Luckily I had sat an advanced driving course, and as mentioned briefly earlier by someone it's amazing how quick things pop into your head to get you out the shiit!I came to this part of the road and this kink just caught me out!
Other advance driving thing was looking in house window reflections on a blind corner to see what's coming, genuinely stopped me from plowing head first into an articulated lorry one day, as car was parked on my side really near the corner, if I had committed the overtake it was all but over!
Prof Prolapse said:
ash reynolds said:
As a relatively new rider undergoing additional training with the IAM I was given this document which explains the physics behind it. The PDF file is here:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
It is fairly intuitive agreed, I haven't been in situation where instinct kicks in and messes everything up but understanding why it is so is useful.
Ah the IAM, "A motorcycle is a precision instrument and an effective riding technique will make you play like Eric Clapton”https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
It is fairly intuitive agreed, I haven't been in situation where instinct kicks in and messes everything up but understanding why it is so is useful.
... And they wonder why they're often considered a shower of tossers who like the sound of their own voices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVH_si6N5pM
Piss me I've not long started riding and I've just brought a camera , I love it as I can show the wife and kids where I've been and the great views you get on the bike. But from the basis of this thread it looks as though the bikers I pass are thinking I'm a right tosser for having one!
What about the aspect of proving right or wrong in the event of an accident ? I understand it's wise to turn it off, which is easy enough if I decide to ride like a cock so surely they can't be that bad if used correctly?
What about the aspect of proving right or wrong in the event of an accident ? I understand it's wise to turn it off, which is easy enough if I decide to ride like a cock so surely they can't be that bad if used correctly?
I was told or I read many years ago that it wasn't possible to lose the front on a dry road through countersteering hard and after then trying it pretty hard, I reckon it's true. But my god, it shows how quickly you can get a bike on its side if you need or want to.
Incidentally, regarding a comment about not being able to look one way and ride the other, was it Whitham that highsided when looking behind him at a SBK race way back?
Incidentally, regarding a comment about not being able to look one way and ride the other, was it Whitham that highsided when looking behind him at a SBK race way back?
bennyboysvuk said:
I was told or I read many years ago that it wasn't possible to lose the front on a dry road through countersteering hard
I'm reasonably new to biking, have ridden 7000 miles since passing my test a year ago. I've been practicing/experimenting with conscious countersteering for a few months and have been wondering about this. Is it true? I've been assuming that if I keep pushing harder on the inside bar eventually the bike will just fall over. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff