Helmet cam catches rider crash
Discussion
WarnieV6GT said:
What about the aspect of proving right or wrong in the event of an accident ? I understand it's wise to turn it off, which is easy enough if I decide to ride like a cock so surely they can't be that bad if used correctly?
I would be EXTREMELY careful with cameras. I personally limit my GoPro to off road riding.If you want to show someone a wonderful view, either stop at the side of the road & take some photos, or show them where you were on Streetview....
Dick Seaman said:
bennyboysvuk said:
I was told or I read many years ago that it wasn't possible to lose the front on a dry road through countersteering hard
I'm reasonably new to biking, have ridden 7000 miles since passing my test a year ago. I've been practicing/experimenting with conscious countersteering for a few months and have been wondering about this. Is it true? I've been assuming that if I keep pushing harder on the inside bar eventually the bike will just fall over. Biker 1 said:
WarnieV6GT said:
What about the aspect of proving right or wrong in the event of an accident ? I understand it's wise to turn it off, which is easy enough if I decide to ride like a cock so surely they can't be that bad if used correctly?
I would be EXTREMELY careful with cameras. I personally limit my GoPro to off road riding.If you want to show someone a wonderful view, either stop at the side of the road & take some photos, or show them where you were on Streetview....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
The KTM rider ending up in a field would seem to confirm that some people play up for the camera, to get exciting footage to show off? So their mind is on their riding and the road or getting the camera footage?
carinaman said:
There's a risk of helmet cam recorded crashes may help lead to clampdowns on motorcycle ownership and usage from the powers that be?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
The KTM rider ending up in a field would seem to confirm that some people play up for the camera, to get exciting footage to show off? So their mind is on their riding and the road or getting the camera footage?
Yeah I must admit it is tempting to push that little bit more. I haven't since I've had it because the roads are so ste. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
The KTM rider ending up in a field would seem to confirm that some people play up for the camera, to get exciting footage to show off? So their mind is on their riding and the road or getting the camera footage?
But I still like looking back on the ride I've just had and enjoy making short videos, so with that in mind I'll stick with it... but switch it off when I decide to ride like an asshole
carinaman said:
There's a risk of helmet cam recorded crashes may help lead to clampdowns on motorcycle ownership and usage from the powers that be?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
The KTM rider ending up in a field would seem to confirm that some people play up for the camera, to get exciting footage to show off? So their mind is on their riding and the road or getting the camera footage?
How can it lead to clampdowns? The internet is full of st driving caught on camera and I don’t see a clampdown on car ownership. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
The KTM rider ending up in a field would seem to confirm that some people play up for the camera, to get exciting footage to show off? So their mind is on their riding and the road or getting the camera footage?
Gavia said:
How can it lead to clampdowns? The internet is full of st driving caught on camera and I don’t see a clampdown on car ownership.
Fair point. More regulation then? I thought the EU were pushing for leg guards or some such a few years ago?It's far more complicated to get a bike licence now than the last century.
carinaman said:
Fair point. More regulation then? I thought the EU were pushing for leg guards or some such a few years ago?
Leg guards were about 30 years ago and discounted, as they were proven that they’d just rip your legs off in anything other than a minor spill. Sadly the licence qualification rules are the thing that’ll kill biking, irrespective of how badly we all ride.
carinaman said:
I'd agree that he may've been acting up for the camera and more interested in getting the footage than riding the bike.
From the local newspaper report I think it said the chap on the BMW had had his full licence for 2 years and sold the bike 2 days after that accident, and the KTM Go Pro chap had been riding 3 to 4 times longer, so my current understanding is the least experienced rider was the one that was ahead and turned around.
This doesn't really mean much though:-From the local newspaper report I think it said the chap on the BMW had had his full licence for 2 years and sold the bike 2 days after that accident, and the KTM Go Pro chap had been riding 3 to 4 times longer, so my current understanding is the least experienced rider was the one that was ahead and turned around.
KTM rider - passes direct access, doesn't ride for a couple of years, gets a scooter for commuting then upgrades to a CB500 which is only ever ridden through London traffic, decides he likes the look of a superbike, buys an RC8 and sticks it through a hedge on his 3rd ride out in the countryside
BMW rider - 5 years of schoolboy motocross, buys 125, couple of years riding a CBR600 illegally , couple of seasons club racing, passes DAS gets S1000RR does 20,000 miles in 2 years - doesn't crash when being chased by nob on RC8, keeps an eye on his mirrors
Nothing the BMW rider did was overly concerning, the KTM guy had signs of inexperience from the off, overtaking on solid whites, overtaking past a junction etc he basically looked and sounded like an accident waiting to happen.
joema said:
Is that youtube link the same footage as the original article as the original link doesn't work.
But it's not that hard to get a bike license though is it? Two relatively simple practical testsd. And then you get access to insane machinery.
Two?But it's not that hard to get a bike license though is it? Two relatively simple practical testsd. And then you get access to insane machinery.
Assuming you’re over 24 then it’s at least four - CBT, theory, Mods 1 & 2
If you’re younger then you have to do even more every time you want to ride a bike with a bigger cc
https://youtu.be/ZUWViatY_LA
YouTube vid works for me and isn’t the same as the first one.
Two practical... I suppose the CBT is but it seems to be some sort of formality and not a test.
And restricting under 24's seems sensible? I don't know why they chose 24.
And I don't really know why people on A2 need to do it all again when the tests don't involve power.
I heard they were looking to change them again anyway where A2's could get their full licence after two years and a certain amount of hours spent with instructors. But that could be bought...
But if you're over 24 it's not hard at all.
And restricting under 24's seems sensible? I don't know why they chose 24.
And I don't really know why people on A2 need to do it all again when the tests don't involve power.
I heard they were looking to change them again anyway where A2's could get their full licence after two years and a certain amount of hours spent with instructors. But that could be bought...
But if you're over 24 it's not hard at all.
Jazoli said:
Dick Seaman said:
bennyboysvuk said:
I was told or I read many years ago that it wasn't possible to lose the front on a dry road through countersteering hard
I'm reasonably new to biking, have ridden 7000 miles since passing my test a year ago. I've been practicing/experimenting with conscious countersteering for a few months and have been wondering about this. Is it true? I've been assuming that if I keep pushing harder on the inside bar eventually the bike will just fall over. carinaman said:
There's a risk of helmet cam recorded crashes may help lead to clampdowns on motorcycle ownership and usage from the powers that be?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
His mate died about 10-15 seconds after the end of that video. He was overtaking at about 100mph and a car (going in same direction) pulled out to overtake another car without looking and clipped his front/side. He was catapulted onto the other side of the road.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmErhBaffuo
That's why his footage was seized.
MR2_SC said:
As above, physics will prevail. I have crashed by counter steering too hard. In hindsight, the tyres were a few years old and I was leant a long way over already when I tried to tighten my line a bit more. So unlikely but not impossible.
But which wheel lost traction?With controlled and smooth inputs then it'll always be the rear unless the front is exposed to conditions/forces that neither end can cope with and lets go by virtue of being the first wheel to experience those conditions (leaves/mud/oil or braking forces for example).
cmaguire said:
But which wheel lost traction?
With controlled and smooth inputs then it'll always be the rear unless the front is exposed to conditions/forces that neither end can cope with and lets go by virtue of being the first wheel to experience those conditions (leaves/mud/oil or braking forces for example).
You sure about that? most crashes I see are racers losing the front off the throttle and they are masters of controlled and smooth inputs or do you mean when the bike is under power and not on a trailing throttle?With controlled and smooth inputs then it'll always be the rear unless the front is exposed to conditions/forces that neither end can cope with and lets go by virtue of being the first wheel to experience those conditions (leaves/mud/oil or braking forces for example).
MR2_SC said:
Jazoli said:
Dick Seaman said:
bennyboysvuk said:
I was told or I read many years ago that it wasn't possible to lose the front on a dry road through countersteering hard
I'm reasonably new to biking, have ridden 7000 miles since passing my test a year ago. I've been practicing/experimenting with conscious countersteering for a few months and have been wondering about this. Is it true? I've been assuming that if I keep pushing harder on the inside bar eventually the bike will just fall over. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff