Helmet cam catches rider crash

[BobSaunders]

I think i saw 117/118 on the clock before it all became bouncy. 8/10 commitment.

[Camelot1971]

I see this all the time on my commute into London (A12 as you come off the North Circular and head towards the tunnel) - knobber on a bike, weaving in and out of traffic, crossing the double white lines in the tunnels while well over the speed limit, tiny number plate etc, all the while with a stupid cam on the top of their helmet.

tts.

[vonhosen]

anonymous said:

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Looks like he started to turn in too early, stood it up then fixated on the hedge as he went towards it.

[Gavia]

anonymous said:

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Fairly standard crash for someone riding too fast for their ability. Came to a corner, decided they couldn’t make it, panicked and looked at the hedge where they don’t want to go, grabbed the front brake and stood the bike up, which ended in a bit of hedge trimming and grass mowing.

[Willy Nilly]

What was he charged with? He certainly was batting on a bit, but was the only person hurt. So man rides a bit quick, crashes, clearly gets hurt then receives a suspended prison sentence.

I would have thought that the finale of the days riding would have been punishment enough, unless of course it was some sort of divine retribution for having a helmet camera.

[Gavia]

Willy Nilly said:

What was he charged with? He certainly was batting on a bit, but was the only person hurt. So man rides a bit quick, crashes, clearly gets hurt then receives a suspended prison sentence.

I would have thought that the finale of the days riding would have been punishment enough, unless of course it was some sort of divine retribution for having a helmet camera.

More info in the link below. There was a lot more to it, than the 30 second snippet we get of his crash, 90+ in a 30 in indefensible amd they fully deserve the Dangerous Driving rap that hey were found guilty of.

It’s quite bizarre that you’re defending him, as if the incident was only that small snippet. Do some more research before making your mind up.

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news...

[Willy Nilly]

Gavia said:

Willy Nilly said:

What was he charged with? He certainly was batting on a bit, but was the only person hurt. So man rides a bit quick, crashes, clearly gets hurt then receives a suspended prison sentence.

I would have thought that the finale of the days riding would have been punishment enough, unless of course it was some sort of divine retribution for having a helmet camera.

More info in the link below. There was a lot more to it, than the 30 second snippet we get of his crash, 90+ in a 30 in indefensible amd they fully deserve the Dangerous Driving rap that hey were found guilty of.

It’s quite bizarre that you’re defending him, as if the incident was only that small snippet. Do some more research before making your mind up.

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news...

The article on the BBC website didn't say what he had been charged with, nor did it put any context to why he was charged, it just showed a video clip on someone loosing control on a right hand bend

[Berty3000]

Gavia said:

More info in the link below. There was a lot more to it, than the 30 second snippet we get of his crash, 90+ in a 30 in indefensible amd they fully deserve the Dangerous Driving rap that hey were found guilty of.

It’s quite bizarre that you’re defending him, as if the incident was only that small snippet. Do some more research before making your mind up.

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news...

Good find. Thinking now that he deserved some prion time rather than his suspended sentence. 90 in a 30. There are some 40 zones I know of that are set annoyingly low considering the nature of the roads and locations, but even then, I wouldn't be going near 90.

In terms of the accident, it may be that he didn't understand counter steering.

Here is a scary example of what can happen in a panic situation when somebody doesn't understand the idea.

https://youtu.be/ZUWViatY_LA

[Berty3000]

Willy Nilly said:

The article on the BBC website didn't say what he had been charged with, nor did it put any context to why he was charged, it just showed a video clip on someone loosing control on a right hand bend

The bbc isn't the quality provider of information so many people seem to think it is. Sensation over detail, and a record of inaccurate and biased reporting.

[Gavia]

Berty3000 said:

Good find. Thinking now that he deserved some prion time rather than his suspended sentence. 90 in a 30. There are some 40 zones I know of that are set annoyingly low considering the nature of the roads and locations, but even then, I wouldn't be going near 90.

In terms of the accident, it may be that he didn't understand counter steering.

Here is a scary example of what can happen in a panic situation when somebody doesn't understand the idea.

https://youtu.be/ZUWViatY_LA

Leave countersteering alone. He has to understand it, otherwise he’d have crashed at the first corner he came to. It is not some sort of magical skill it’s the most basic form of riding a two wheel vehicle.

[Berty3000]

Gavia said:

Berty3000 said:

Good find. Thinking now that he deserved some prion time rather than his suspended sentence. 90 in a 30. There are some 40 zones I know of that are set annoyingly low considering the nature of the roads and locations, but even then, I wouldn't be going near 90.

In terms of the accident, it may be that he didn't understand counter steering.

Here is a scary example of what can happen in a panic situation when somebody doesn't understand the idea.

https://youtu.be/ZUWViatY_LA

Leave countersteering alone. He has to understand it, otherwise he’d have crashed at the first corner he came to. It is not some sort of magical skill it’s the most basic form of riding a two wheel vehicle.

Wrong. Many riders counter steer by default, by leaning into a corner for instance, and then inadvertently pushing the bars in the appropriate way, but do not understand the idea. I have met several long standing motorcyclists, and there are many online, who were never taught about it and find the idea of pushing the bars in the intended direction of travel very difficult to get their heads around. Of course it is simple, all riders are doing it, point is, not everybody understands what it is they are doing in a conscious way and this can be fatal in an emergency situation where the thinking brain might involve itself. The video I posted is a classic example.

[Pothole]

Are we saying helmet cams are the new arseless chaps?

[Gavia]

Berty3000 said:

Wrong. Many riders counter steer by default, by leaning into a corner for instance, and then inadvertently pushing the bars in the appropriate way, but do not understand the idea. I have met several long standing motorcyclists, and there are many online, who were never taught about it and find the idea of pushing the bars in the intended direction of travel very difficult to get their heads around. Of course it is simple, all riders are doing it, point is, not everybody understands what it is they are doing in a conscious way and this can be fatal in an emergency situation where the thinking brain might involve itself. The video I posted is a classic example.

This topic gets discussed regularly on here, suffice to say that every single bike rider is doing it whether consciously or not. Being made aware of it, does not mean it’s a new skill, it just means you’re aware of something you were already doing.

Looking where you want to go is far more relevant in a situation like this. The rider who crashed would have got round that corner if he’d looked through it, rather than at the hedge.

[Super Slo Mo]

Berty3000 said:

Gavia said:

Berty3000 said:

Good find. Thinking now that he deserved some prion time rather than his suspended sentence. 90 in a 30. There are some 40 zones I know of that are set annoyingly low considering the nature of the roads and locations, but even then, I wouldn't be going near 90.

In terms of the accident, it may be that he didn't understand counter steering.

Here is a scary example of what can happen in a panic situation when somebody doesn't understand the idea.

https://youtu.be/ZUWViatY_LA

Leave countersteering alone. He has to understand it, otherwise he’d have crashed at the first corner he came to. It is not some sort of magical skill it’s the most basic form of riding a two wheel vehicle.

Wrong. Many riders counter steer by default, by leaning into a corner for instance, and then inadvertently pushing the bars in the appropriate way, but do not understand the idea. I have met several long standing motorcyclists, and there are many online, who were never taught about it and find the idea of pushing the bars in the intended direction of travel very difficult to get their heads around. Of course it is simple, all riders are doing it, point is, not everybody understands what it is they are doing in a conscious way and this can be fatal in an emergency situation where the thinking brain might involve itself. The video I posted is a classic example.

I understand counter steering yet have also turned the bars the wrong way at a moment of reasonably high stress when the bike started running wide on a roundabout.
Obviously that didn’t help and I had to have a very strong word with myself to push away on the right hand bar to get the bike to drop down and turn tighter.
It’s easy to say, but unless it’s an ingrained reflex to counter steer, at the moment of sudden panic a novice will try and steer ‘away’ from the outside of the corner (ie the opposite of counter steering).
At high speed there simply isn’t enough time to correct this consciously.

[Gavia]

Super Slo Mo said:

I understand counter steering yet have also turned the bars the wrong way at a moment of reasonably high stress when the bike started running wide on a roundabout.
Obviously that didn’t help and I had to have a very strong word with myself to push away on the right hand bar to get the bike to drop down and turn tighter.
It’s easy to say, but unless it’s an ingrained reflex to counter steer, at the moment of sudden panic a novice will try and steer ‘away’ from the outside of the corner (ie the opposite of counter steering).
At high speed there simply isn’t enough time to correct this consciously.

Just look where you want to go and everything else will happen subconsciously and lead to the desired outcome. Shoving on the bars won’t help if you’re still target fixated on the hedge.

[Berty3000]

Super Slo Mo said:

I understand counter steering yet have also turned the bars the wrong way at a moment of reasonably high stress when the bike started running wide on a roundabout.
Obviously that didn’t help and I had to have a very strong word with myself to push away on the right hand bar to get the bike to drop down and turn tighter.
It’s easy to say, but unless it’s an ingrained reflex to counter steer, at the moment of sudden panic a novice will try and steer ‘away’ from the outside of the corner (ie the opposite of counter steering).
At high speed there simply isn’t enough time to correct this consciously.

That is understandable, because counter steering is counter intuitive to most people who have rode a bicycle growing up. What your brain is doing in a panic situation is defaulting to an older way of thinking and doing, which is normal. I reckon a lot of people don't know about counter steering because it often isn't on the curriculum when learning. You don't need to know it to pass. As you point out, even understanding it might not help in an emergency. I have practiced it constantly whilst riding to try to make it my instinct in future. Slowing down or braking can also undermine the steering process though.

Despite what Gavia is claiming, I'd recommend everybody watch the video I posted and read the words. It isn't necessarily about target fixation when people over run a corner. Steering incorrectly and braking can be the culprits, or a combo of the three.

[MDL111]

crofty1984 said:

Reminds me of that guy in the 90s who filmed himself doing enthusiastic speeds in a Ferrari F40 then sold it on VHS.

I remember that - in Japan wasn’t it

[Gavia]

Berty3000 said:

That is understandable, because counter steering is counter intuitive to most people who have rode a bicycle growing up. What your brain is doing in a panic situation is defaulting to an older way of thinking and doing, which is normal. I reckon a lot of people don't know about counter steering because it often isn't on the curriculum when learning. You don't need to know it to pass. As you point out, even understanding it might not help in an emergency. I have practiced it constantly whilst riding to try to make it my instinct in future. Slowing down or braking can also undermine the steering process though.

Despite what Gavia is claiming, I'd recommend everybody watch the video I posted and read the words. It isn't necessarily about target fixation when people over run a corner. Steering incorrectly and braking can be the culprits, or a combo of the three.

Good call, much better to take the advice of a novice to riding, over someone with quite a bit more experience :rolleyes”

[Biker's Nemesis]

Berty3000 said:

Good find. Thinking now that he deserved some prion time rather than his suspended sentence. 90 in a 30. There are some 40 zones I know of that are set annoyingly low considering the nature of the roads and locations, but even then, I wouldn't be going near 90.

In terms of the accident, it may be that he didn't understand counter steering.

Here is a scary example of what can happen in a panic situation when somebody doesn't understand the idea.

https://youtu.be/ZUWViatY_LA

That was a classic example of applying the brakes and panicking.

[Gavia]

Biker's Nemesis said:

That was a classic example of applying the brakes and panicking.

I hadn’t watched the video before, but that could do with a warning, as it’s not nice viewing. It doesn’t look like it’s got anything to do with countersteering and everything to do with.

Running a bit wide, seeing a truck, panicking, grabbing the brakes, locking the front causing a serious front end wobble and then just focussing on the truck. To look at countersteering as a solution is bks. If he’d looked round and through the corner then he’d be fine.