Moto GP first race
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Gavia said:
A progressively worsening front brake issue. Much better if you choose not to read up on it, or just don’t believe him though.
Is there any point?He can only ride 250 style, the Ducati isn't the bike for him.
I'd like to see him on the Suzuki. If he does well then great, but he'd best lower his wage expectations.
Gavia said:
cmaguire said:
Is there any point?
He can only ride 250 style, the Ducati isn't the bike for him.
I'd like to see him on the Suzuki. If he does well then great, but he'd best lower his wage expectations.
Whatever He can only ride 250 style, the Ducati isn't the bike for him.
I'd like to see him on the Suzuki. If he does well then great, but he'd best lower his wage expectations.
cmaguire said:
Be realistic, if Stoner took over his ride I'm fairly confident he would outperform him. A part-time test rider should never do that.
Stoner could do that with most bikes on the grid. Lorenzo has had one weekend this season and looked reasonably OK despite the mechanicals he suffered all weekend. It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
Gavia said:
Stoner could do that with most bikes on the grid. Lorenzo has had one weekend this season and looked reasonably OK despite the mechanicals he suffered all weekend.
It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
Lol it was you who started the whole Lorenzo thing up again .It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
The majority on here don't care we just want entertainment , if that results in rossi or marquez winning the championship then so be it .
egor110 said:
Lol it was you who started the whole Lorenzo thing up again .
The majority on here don't care we just want entertainment , if that results in rossi or marquez winning the championship then so be it .
There was a discussion about him before I commented on the way the discussion was going. The majority on here don't care we just want entertainment , if that results in rossi or marquez winning the championship then so be it .
To suggest Stoner could do that on any bike is ridiculous anyway, this isn't road racing and Joey Dunlop in the 80s.
They hired Lorenzo thinking he could develop the bike, unfortunately he can only develop one kind of bike and it doesn't ride like the Ducati. And what idiot would make major changes to the Ducati when someone on YTS wages is doing so well on it?
I was being serious about the Suzuki. That is a genuine opportunity for him
They hired Lorenzo thinking he could develop the bike, unfortunately he can only develop one kind of bike and it doesn't ride like the Ducati. And what idiot would make major changes to the Ducati when someone on YTS wages is doing so well on it?
I was being serious about the Suzuki. That is a genuine opportunity for him
I do think Lorenzo looked better through FP and qualifying, or at least looked much more comfortable on the bike than he did this time last year, but then should be expected with a full year on the bike under his belt.
He was however; outperformed in every session by Dovi though and I suspect he needs to do something about turning that around. His contract is up at the end of the year, he still hasn't signed a new one and there will be the likes of Zarco and Petrucci out of contract and looking for a ride.
I suspect that leaves Lorenzo with a potential problem of having nowhere to go - Yamaha have both their factory riders contracted until 2020, Honda already have Marquez's signature until 2020 too.. Honda is a possibility if Pedrosa doesn't sign a new contract, but then they are apparently looking at Zarco already and would he fit in the Honda family .. So where does that leave him? Suzuki ?? is it the bike right for him, and is it competitive enough for him? Would Suzuki want him? Would he now be viewed as too old? If he doesn't out perform Dovi, will he be viewed as having two bad seasons? Are there more young riders coming through that would be seen as a longer term future for the team? Are his wage demands going to be unrealistic?
Oddly enough, I could see a place for him at Yamaha - I know I said above that Vinales is contracted until 2020, but could they put on a third bike as a satellite for either Vinales if he doesn't have a good season, or a one bike team for Lorenzo?
There is still a long way to go this year and whilst I don't particularly like Lorenzo, there is no denying, that on the Yamaha at least he was very quick and like a metronome once he found his rhythm - It would actually be a shame to see him retire, if not just because it amuses me when he has one of his temper tantrums in the pit garage.. I just think that timing could be an issue for him.
The other problem for Lorenzo and Yamaha though is the interview that Jarvis gave - He said that Rossi was the best rider Yamaha had ever had in their history - That must pain Lorenzo..
He was however; outperformed in every session by Dovi though and I suspect he needs to do something about turning that around. His contract is up at the end of the year, he still hasn't signed a new one and there will be the likes of Zarco and Petrucci out of contract and looking for a ride.
I suspect that leaves Lorenzo with a potential problem of having nowhere to go - Yamaha have both their factory riders contracted until 2020, Honda already have Marquez's signature until 2020 too.. Honda is a possibility if Pedrosa doesn't sign a new contract, but then they are apparently looking at Zarco already and would he fit in the Honda family .. So where does that leave him? Suzuki ?? is it the bike right for him, and is it competitive enough for him? Would Suzuki want him? Would he now be viewed as too old? If he doesn't out perform Dovi, will he be viewed as having two bad seasons? Are there more young riders coming through that would be seen as a longer term future for the team? Are his wage demands going to be unrealistic?
Oddly enough, I could see a place for him at Yamaha - I know I said above that Vinales is contracted until 2020, but could they put on a third bike as a satellite for either Vinales if he doesn't have a good season, or a one bike team for Lorenzo?
There is still a long way to go this year and whilst I don't particularly like Lorenzo, there is no denying, that on the Yamaha at least he was very quick and like a metronome once he found his rhythm - It would actually be a shame to see him retire, if not just because it amuses me when he has one of his temper tantrums in the pit garage.. I just think that timing could be an issue for him.
The other problem for Lorenzo and Yamaha though is the interview that Jarvis gave - He said that Rossi was the best rider Yamaha had ever had in their history - That must pain Lorenzo..
benjobanjo said:
curlie467 said:
benjobanjo said:
Amazing, isn't it? On top of that, Neil Morrison just tweeted: 'Dovizioso's win percentage in #MotoGP after nine seasons (2008-'16) stood at 1.25%. Since last year's Italian Grand Prix, that number has risen to 50%. Some turnaround.'
It was incredible that he got the win on the last corner (again....!), but I think it's just as impressive that Marquez came second on a track that is far from his or Honda's strongest circuit. It's going to be close this year, but as an early prediction I think Marquez will have the most consistency between circuits - which will seal the Championship.
I don't think that overall percentage is quite right but I get what you're saying.It was incredible that he got the win on the last corner (again....!), but I think it's just as impressive that Marquez came second on a track that is far from his or Honda's strongest circuit. It's going to be close this year, but as an early prediction I think Marquez will have the most consistency between circuits - which will seal the Championship.
Also, strange to think that a couple of years ago they were arguing over which Andrea to keep...
Stats are great if you go back to specific dates.
Let's go back to last weekend and his Wingate is 100%.
I'm in no way poo pooing what he is doing but his winrate overall is 5%.
egor110 said:
Gavia said:
Stoner could do that with most bikes on the grid. Lorenzo has had one weekend this season and looked reasonably OK despite the mechanicals he suffered all weekend.
It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
Lol it was you who started the whole Lorenzo thing up again .It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
The majority on here don't care we just want entertainment , if that results in rossi or marquez winning the championship then so be it .
oilbethere said:
egor110 said:
Gavia said:
Stoner could do that with most bikes on the grid. Lorenzo has had one weekend this season and looked reasonably OK despite the mechanicals he suffered all weekend.
It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
Lol it was you who started the whole Lorenzo thing up again .It’s not worth having this discussion though as Lorenzo is the guy everyone loves to hate. It was Stoner, but as he’s retired he’s now regarded differently. Much like Senna and Schumacher in F1
The majority on here don't care we just want entertainment , if that results in rossi or marquez winning the championship then so be it .
For clarity, Jorge did have a physical brake issue that Brembo are investigating, and also had a fuel problem with No1 bike on Sat that hindered QP.
Ducati are in discussion with him already for next year (his feedback skills are very valued).
Whilst I understand his race weekend persona can be easy to dislike, it is just that, race weekend. Away from the circuit he is a great guy who does an awful lot to help both younger riders and the less advantaged in society. Its a shame he gets such a hard time, but I fully understand why.
Ducati are in discussion with him already for next year (his feedback skills are very valued).
Whilst I understand his race weekend persona can be easy to dislike, it is just that, race weekend. Away from the circuit he is a great guy who does an awful lot to help both younger riders and the less advantaged in society. Its a shame he gets such a hard time, but I fully understand why.
pitlane said:
For clarity, Jorge did have a physical brake issue that Brembo are investigating, and also had a fuel problem with No1 bike on Sat that hindered QP.
Ducati are in discussion with him already for next year (his feedback skills are very valued).
Whilst I understand his race weekend persona can be easy to dislike, it is just that, race weekend. Away from the circuit he is a great guy who does an awful lot to help both younger riders and the less advantaged in society. Its a shame he gets such a hard time, but I fully understand why.
Away with your sensible posting, we'll have none of that here!Ducati are in discussion with him already for next year (his feedback skills are very valued).
Whilst I understand his race weekend persona can be easy to dislike, it is just that, race weekend. Away from the circuit he is a great guy who does an awful lot to help both younger riders and the less advantaged in society. Its a shame he gets such a hard time, but I fully understand why.
pitlane said:
Away from the circuit he is a great guy who does an awful lot to help both younger riders and the less advantaged in society. Its a shame he gets such a hard time, but I fully understand why.
Yep, I've known about that for a long time. He's a decent human being, like they all are.Only just managed to get to watch the race thanks to stupid BT Sport being incapable of setting up something simple up to allow me to watch!
Thought the race was a good start to the season, the top 6 or 7 were separated by so little at the end that a few little mistakes could have resulted in a very different result.
From the Brits perspective it's good to see Cal staying on and being right up there. Will he ever get a full factory Honda though? Same age as Dani, you've got to think the next person to get Dani's bike will be a younger rider.
Love listening to Herve being interviewed, seems to have a real understanding of where his team are and what they can do.
Thought the race was a good start to the season, the top 6 or 7 were separated by so little at the end that a few little mistakes could have resulted in a very different result.
From the Brits perspective it's good to see Cal staying on and being right up there. Will he ever get a full factory Honda though? Same age as Dani, you've got to think the next person to get Dani's bike will be a younger rider.
Love listening to Herve being interviewed, seems to have a real understanding of where his team are and what they can do.
Jammez said:
Only just managed to get to watch the race thanks to stupid BT Sport being incapable of setting up something simple up to allow me to watch!
Thought the race was a good start to the season, the top 6 or 7 were separated by so little at the end that a few little mistakes could have resulted in a very different result.
From the Brits perspective it's good to see Cal staying on and being right up there. Will he ever get a full factory Honda though? Same age as Dani, you've got to think the next person to get Dani's bike will be a younger rider.
Love listening to Herve being interviewed, seems to have a real understanding of where his team are and what they can do.
Crutchlow is a factory rider now. That’s as good as it’s ever going to get for him. Thought the race was a good start to the season, the top 6 or 7 were separated by so little at the end that a few little mistakes could have resulted in a very different result.
From the Brits perspective it's good to see Cal staying on and being right up there. Will he ever get a full factory Honda though? Same age as Dani, you've got to think the next person to get Dani's bike will be a younger rider.
Love listening to Herve being interviewed, seems to have a real understanding of where his team are and what they can do.
He has beena factory rider for most of his GP career. Other that Tech3, where he was almost!
And maybe his first year at LCR, Honda quickly realised they had a guy who wanted hte same as Marquez and was quicker than the average guy, so gave him goodies fairly quickly.
More so than anyone at VDS ever gets at any rate.
And maybe his first year at LCR, Honda quickly realised they had a guy who wanted hte same as Marquez and was quicker than the average guy, so gave him goodies fairly quickly.
More so than anyone at VDS ever gets at any rate.
Gavia said:
Jammez said:
Only just managed to get to watch the race thanks to stupid BT Sport being incapable of setting up something simple up to allow me to watch!
Thought the race was a good start to the season, the top 6 or 7 were separated by so little at the end that a few little mistakes could have resulted in a very different result.
From the Brits perspective it's good to see Cal staying on and being right up there. Will he ever get a full factory Honda though? Same age as Dani, you've got to think the next person to get Dani's bike will be a younger rider.
Love listening to Herve being interviewed, seems to have a real understanding of where his team are and what they can do.
Crutchlow is a factory rider now. That’s as good as it’s ever going to get for him. Thought the race was a good start to the season, the top 6 or 7 were separated by so little at the end that a few little mistakes could have resulted in a very different result.
From the Brits perspective it's good to see Cal staying on and being right up there. Will he ever get a full factory Honda though? Same age as Dani, you've got to think the next person to get Dani's bike will be a younger rider.
Love listening to Herve being interviewed, seems to have a real understanding of where his team are and what they can do.
That is not to say these riders don't deserve that status, motorbikes are hugely popular in these two countries. Cal obviously had his chance with Ducati, but didn't seem to prosper, although that was partially due to the bike imo.
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